.224 Caliber 60gr. Nosler Partition

[Larry in SD]

Has anyone measured the actual length of a .224 caliber 60gr. Nosler Partition or does anyone know the actual length of this bullet ? If so what is the actual length of this bullet (the length of the actual bullet not the cartridge overall length) ?

I want to know so I can run some numbers as to this bullets suitability in a 1 in 12" Twist Ruger .223.

Thanks

Larry

 

[JD338]

The .224 cal 60 gr PT length is .775".
You can get 3100 fps from a 223 so a 1 in 12 twist should be fine.

JD338

 

[Larry in SD]

Thanks for the reply. I read the article that was linked to in another post on this site and was kind of impressed with what I read. I may have to try them this fall / winter. For a week in December and January we have a special antlerless season and I just might have to shoot a Whitetail or two with the 60gr. Nosler Partitions in my .223 Ruger.

Thanks again

Larry

 

[remingtonman_25_06]

My 220 swift WOULD NOT stabilize the 60g vmax at 3700fps out of a 1 in 14" twist. Dang it anyways, woulda been a killer coyote bullet. Anyone care to guess as to why manufacturers put a 1 in 12 or 1 in 9 twist on .223's and not 22-250's or 220 swifts?? I think there ass backwards in there thinking. A 223 is slow to start with so why would you want to stick heavy bullets in them?? I would rather shoot 60g bullets or bigger out of 22-250 and such. The factorys could at least fit the bigger 22 cals with 1 in 12 to at least stabilize the 60g bullet. Its not fair to see a little 223 stabilizing a bullet that a 220 swift wont shooting 600-700 feet faster.

 

[340boy]

I agree with remingtonman 25-06 last post.
that seems crazy to use slower twists in the 220 swift, 22-250 catagory. I would much rather shoot 60-75 grain bullets at 3700 fps than 40 grain pills at 4000+ . makes no sense at all! :?

 

[djknkk]

Just curious. Has anyone tried the 60 gr Partition in a 1in 14 twist barrel at 22-250 velocities? Before I go buy a box, I thought I would see if anyone had any problems with the bullet stabilizing. Thanks.

 

[remingtonman_25_06]

Like I said, I tried the 60g VMAX out of a 1 in 14" 220 swift, they did not stabilize. I doubt a 22-250 with a 1 in 14" will do any better. They are slower so I highly doubt it. I was shooting the 60g at 3700, went to 3800 and still not any good. 1 in 14" just does not stabilze anything over 55g bullets.

 

[Larry in SD]

I agree whole heartedly. To my way of thinking all .223's should have a 1 in 12" twist and .22-250's could make better use if the 1 in 9" twist.

To throw a curve into things I checked Savage's web site and their .22-250's have a 1 in 12" twist instead of a 1 in 14" twist.

Some day I am going to pick up a Savage .223 (1 in 9" twist) and have it rechambered to .22-250 or .22-250 AI.

On a different note using the length of .775" for the .224 caliber 60gr. Nosler Partition the Greenhill formula shows a recommended rate of twist of 1 in 11" (at velocities above 2800 FPS).

Larry

 

[djknkk]

I believe the 60 gr Partitions are somewhat shorter than the 60 gr V-Maxs because it does not have the tip. I could be wrong, but I was thinking the somewhat shorter Partitions might just stabilize in the 1 in 14 twist barrels.

 

[Desert Fox]

22-250 and 220 Swift where designed with speed in mind. An advertised speed of 4000 fps plus can not be attained by using bullet heavier than 40 grain. It's all marketing hype. The 223 were designed with readily available military bullet in mind. As you all know, M16 use 62 grain bullet and has slower twist barrel (1in 9 I believed). The military adopted this after Vietnam, to improved upon the performance and to extend the range and lethality of the 223. The heaviest boatail bullet I could use on my 1 in 12 Kimber is 55 grain. I get good accuracy but not as good as the 50 grain bullets. The downrange performance though is another story. This is the only reason why I used the 55 over the 50. The 60 grain Partition probably will work on the 223 with 1 in 12 twist barrel becaue of the short bearing surface. My 40X on the other hand, with 1 in 14 twist loves the 40 and 50 grainer boatails and up to 53 grain flat base like the Sierra MK and the Hornady. 55 won't work on this particular rifle, not even the 52 grain boatail Sierra MK. So 60 grainer in 1in 14 won't cut it IMHO.

 

[djknkk]

I have some Hornady 60gr soft point laying around. I will load a few of those this weekend and let you know the results. If it groups at all in my 1 in 14 22-250 I might just try a box of 60 gr Partitions.. I have a feeling I might not even hit the paper though. The heaviest bullet I have tried in this rifle is 52gr Speer Hollow Points and they did OK.

 

[Cariboo]

Just curious. Has anyone tried the 60 gr Partition in a 1in 14 twist barrel at 22-250 velocities? Before I go buy a box, I thought I would see if anyone had any problems with the bullet stabilizing. Thanks.

I shoot them in my M70 22-250. At 3500 fps MV they will print MOA groups out to 300m. They are shorter than the 55 grain Ballistic Tip bullets so if your rifle shoots them well it should do OK with the 60 grain Partition. BTW I have found the 60 grain Partition to act like it was specifically designed for shooting wolves. 8) I have also found them to be fairly fur-friendly on coyotes if you stay away from shoulder or pelvis shots.

I think there ass backwards in there thinking. A 223 is slow to start with so why would you want to stick heavy bullets in them??

Most .223 rifles are designed to handle cheap surplus 62 grain ammo which is why they come with the faster twists. Most .223 shooters I know don't bother reloading as surplus ammo is cheaper than buying powder.

 

[roebuck25]

I use the 60 gr Partition in my howa in cal 22-250 rem and it gives very good accuracy.
Her in norway I have shoot some roedeers and foxes , and the summer 2006 i did bring with me the 22-250 to south afrika were i shoot a couple of impala and warthogs

 

[JD338]

Anyone care to guess as to why manufacturers put a 1 in 12 or 1 in 9 twist on .223's and not 22-250's or 220 swifts?? I think there ass backwards in there thinking. A 223 is slow to start with so why would you want to stick heavy bullets in them?? I would rather shoot 60g bullets or bigger out of 22-250 and such. The factorys could at least fit the bigger 22 cals with 1 in 12 to at least stabilize the 60g bullet. Its not fair to see a little 223 stabilizing a bullet that a 220 swift wont shooting 600-700 feet faster.

I would guess that the slower 1-14 twist is used for the lightly constructed bullets at 3700-4000 fps, keeping the RPM's down so these bullets don't come apart in flight.


My 700VLS 22-250 has a 1-14 twist. I need to load up some 60 gr PT's
and do some testing.

JD338

 

[nomosendero]

It is my understanding that Savage will offer the VLP 22-250 with a 1-9
twist in '07.

 

[3DHUSKER]

I have a Winchester model 70SA 22-250 with 26 inch 1-14 twist. Any thoughts.
I have been shooting 50 and 55 gr. B.T. at everything but deer and they work great. Needing a Deer round since I ran out of the old school 55 gr. Solid base.

 

[JD338]

3DHUSKER

Welcome to the forum, glad to have you here.

The 224 60 gr PT usually will not stabilize in a 1:14 twist which is a real disappointment for me. It would be my coyote bullet if I could get it to shoot. You will have good results with this bullet in 1:12 or 1:10 twist barrels.

JD338

 

[SJB358]

3D Husker, it is worth a shot to try them though. I have a 1-14 Savage and I think if you push them hard, you might do okay with them. They may not do it, but SPS is selling 60gr PT 2nds right now. Pretty easy way to give them a try and not be out of too much money. Scotty

 

[3DHUSKER]

Thanks guys, I bought a box to try. I am going to try to load up a few and see what happens.

 

[JD338]

3DHUSKER

Let us know how they shoot. I need to revisit this again as I have quite a few of them and would love to get them to shoot in my M700 VLS.

JD338