270 WSM

[jmad_81]

I could not agree more with that statement! I almost bought a 270 Weaterby instead, but the WSM is alot cheaper to reload and that short fat case looks cool.

 

[SJB358]

I never really knew much about the Jamison incident, but bought my 270WSM while I was in Iraq the third time in 2004. I wanted a 270 Win but saw the ballistics and decided it had a little more HP for bigger game like Elk and Bears. Factory ballistics are awesome. I ended up getting a M70 with the laminated stock and putting a 3.5x10-40 Leupold on it. It has shot some really impressive groups for me and taken my furthest animal. I used to shoot the 140gr Abonds from Winchester for everything and they just worked really well. Now since I have starting loading again, there seems to be a lot of bullets that are well suited to big game. I really like the Short Mags of the Win variety. Lots of power in a compact package. Scotty

 

[Greg Nolan]

Wow
Sounds like I opened up a hornets's nest. What is the Jamison's agreement? It that Rick Jamison the gun writer?
Greg

 

[Richracer1]

He sued Winchester for "stealing" his idea of a short mag design or so I read a while back. This is why rifles that use the WSM moniker have a higher price than any other caliber. Royalty (or whatever they're called) payments to this guy.

 

[DrMike]

It is rumored to be 3% of each sale or a rifle or ammunition. The cost to Jamison was that he essentially became a pariah in the shooting fraternity, but he likely won't have to worry about income. It seems that he approached Winchester to produce the "short mag," and they declined the idea as being impractical or unprofitable. Then, they came out with the 300 WSM soon after, claiming that it was a "new" design. Jamison claimed patent infringement, and USRAC lost the case after Rick sued. Belatedly, USRAC acknowledged that Rick developed the concept (http://dev.winchesterguns.com/services/faq/detail.asp?ID=230), tacitly admitting that they stole from a gun writer. For a review of the settlement, see Randy Wakeman's article (http://www.chuckhawks.com/column18_death_short_magnums.htm).

 

[blacktailhunter]

Thanks for the link Dr. Mike. I couldn't remember if it was 3% or 5%. I found out about this lawsuit over a year before it was ever mentioned to the public. I was flying back home from Salt Lake City when I glanced at the screen of a guy's laptop. I could clearly see that he was drafting a law-suit letter and details. What surprised me more is that I could read the names Jaimison and USRAC, amongst others, and that the "Short Mag" concept was mentioned in several areas. I don't make a habit of evesdropping like that, but considering the tipic, who could blame me.

Remember, this did not make it to court, and the settlement was made outside with no court orders or decisions.