35 Whelen and New Powders QL Please

Double Dropper · Nov 5, 2019

Hi there gents, I have a 35 Whelen coming on a Remmy 700 24" barrel, and was hoping for a quickload on the newest powders. 225 grain AccuBond with CFE 223 and Power Pro 2000-MR, please and thank you.

35 Whelen · Nov 11, 2019

Good luck with that one......... I think there are some
newish policy on QL data requests nowadays. So just a guess would be a "select few" have decided to convince the bunch of helpful fellas that have for years been really good about sharing data on here, from being helpful anymore?
Kinda too bad in a way, most guys asking for one or two QL requests would never realize the $150 to buy
it. And who knows maybe the powers to be; will start
Charging just to log on here soon???? I am starting to suspect " the end is near" wont just be for the coyote.......

DrMike · Nov 11, 2019

I'm not on every day. When I am on, I don't read all the posts due to time constraints. The newest data list of powders does not include 2000-MR. However, I am pleased to provide what I can.

Code:

Cartridge          : .35 Whelen
Bullet             : .358, 225, Nosler AccuBond 50712
Useable Case Capaci: 57.585 grain H2O = 3.739 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-15

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   95    50.22   2401    2879   40758   6516     93.9    1.339
-09.0   96    50.78   2427    2942   42107   6591     94.4    1.319
-08.0   97    51.34   2453    3006   43502   6665     94.8    1.300
-07.0   98    51.89   2479    3071   44945   6736     95.2    1.281
-06.0   99    52.45   2505    3136   46439   6806     95.6    1.263
-05.0  100    53.01   2532    3202   47984   6874     96.0    1.244
-04.0  101    53.57   2558    3269   49585   6939     96.4    1.226  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0  102    54.13   2584    3336   51241   7003     96.7    1.209  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  103    54.68   2610    3404   52957   7064     97.1    1.192  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  104    55.24   2636    3472   54734   7123     97.4    1.175  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  105    55.80   2662    3541   56576   7179     97.7    1.158  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  106    56.36   2688    3611   58484   7233     98.0    1.142  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  107    56.92   2714    3681   60463   7285     98.2    1.126  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  108    57.47   2740    3752   62514   7334     98.5    1.110  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  109    58.03   2766    3823   64642   7380     98.7    1.095  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  110    58.59   2792    3895   66851   7424     98.9    1.079  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    105    55.80   2785    3874   68014   7032    100.0    1.077  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    105    55.80   2498    3117   45601   6972     91.5    1.266

Code:

Cartridge          : .35 Whelen
Bullet             : .358, 225, Nosler AccuBond 50712
Useable Case Capaci: 57.585 grain H2O = 3.739 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 57250 psi, or 394 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
ReloadSwiss RS 60                  111.8     62.3     4.03    2758    99.2    57250    7986   1.121  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                           111.1     61.9     4.01    2747    98.5    57250    7861   1.124  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17                 111.1     61.9     4.01    2747    98.5    57250    7861   1.124  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     110.1     61.8     4.01    2691    93.5    57250    7568   1.137  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       110.1     61.8     4.01    2691    93.5    57250    7568   1.137  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                      108.2     58.1     3.76    2682    99.0    57250    7175   1.156  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3                         108.2     58.1     3.76    2682    99.0    57250    7175   1.156  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511                112.0     63.3     4.10    2680    94.2    56226    7614   1.144  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                    112.0     60.7     3.94    2679    96.3    54938    7567   1.158  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                      108.7     56.5     3.66    2674   100.0    57250    6793   1.175  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                      110.6     58.1     3.76    2672    98.8    57250    7087   1.157  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                      100.4     56.2     3.64    2663    99.9    57250    6772   1.160  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                       102.8     56.2     3.64    2663    99.9    57250    6772   1.160  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                       110.1     57.2     3.71    2660    98.6    57250    7057   1.158  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                      102.5     53.2     3.45    2659   100.0    57250    6494   1.182  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                       106.7     57.9     3.75    2651    96.3    57250    7169   1.157  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7                   100.4     57.2     3.71    2618    96.2    57250    6872   1.165  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5                        95.8     54.5     3.53    2618    99.6    57250    6554   1.174  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460                       95.5     54.5     3.53    2618    99.6    57250    6554   1.174  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62                  112.0     62.3     4.04    2614    94.6    49521    7508   1.203  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                      100.8     50.8     3.29    2608   100.0    57250    6430   1.184  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7                         111.0     57.8     3.75    2595    92.6    57250    6891   1.167  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                      111.0     57.8     3.75    2595    92.6    57250    6891   1.167  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                       107.5     57.9     3.75    2594    92.6    57250    6885   1.167  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065                         112.0     58.2     3.77    2593    94.9    55319    6920   1.182  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                          112.0     58.8     3.81    2591    95.1    49556    7277   1.207  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation         112.0     58.8     3.81    2590    95.1    49506    7273   1.208  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                      112.0     59.5     3.85    2589    95.1    48325    7314   1.223
Ramshot Hunter                     112.0     61.4     3.98    2580    92.4    49853    7349   1.206  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204                          112.0     61.4     3.98    2579    89.0    53748    7112   1.176  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070                         112.0     58.8     3.81    2564    92.6    52240    6988   1.207  ! Near Maximum !

Double Dropper · Nov 12, 2019

Thanks for the info.

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FOTIS · Nov 12, 2019

35 Whelen":rupik35h said:
Good luck with that one......... I think there are some
newish policy on QL data requests nowadays........

Care to explain ? :?:

Double Dropper · Nov 12, 2019

LOL, didn't get either powder I requested but all you can do is ask.

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DrMike · Nov 12, 2019

Again, Powder Pro 2000 MR is not in the data set. Here is the data for CFE.

Code:

Cartridge          : .35 Whelen
Bullet             : .358, 225, Nosler AccuBond 50712
Useable Case Capaci: 57.585 grain H2O = 3.739 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon CFE223

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   95    54.72   2409    2899   40054   6722     92.2    1.329
-09.0   96    55.33   2437    2968   41458   6807     92.8    1.309
-08.0   97    55.94   2466    3037   42918   6890     93.3    1.288
-07.0   98    56.54   2494    3108   44437   6971     93.8    1.268
-06.0   99    57.15   2522    3179   46013   7049     94.3    1.249
-05.0  100    57.76   2551    3251   47657   7125     94.8    1.229
-04.0  101    58.37   2579    3324   49367   7199     95.3    1.211  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0  102    58.98   2608    3398   51147   7269     95.7    1.192  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  103    59.58   2637    3473   53002   7337     96.1    1.174  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  104    60.19   2665    3549   54936   7403     96.5    1.156  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  105    60.80   2694    3626   56952   7465     96.9    1.138  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  106    61.41   2723    3704   59056   7524     97.3    1.120  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  107    62.02   2751    3782   61251   7580     97.6    1.103  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  108    62.62   2780    3862   63544   7633     97.9    1.086  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  109    63.23   2809    3942   65941   7682     98.2    1.070  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  110    63.84   2838    4023   68450   7728     98.5    1.053  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    105    60.80   2833    4009   68999   7361     99.9    1.054  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    105    60.80   2510    3147   46406   7150     89.6    1.246

Double Dropper · Nov 13, 2019

Thank you Dr Mike very kind and helpful. This pressure chart definitely does not seem to match up with the Speer manual lol but different bullets create different results.

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Double Dropper · Mar 13, 2020

Update: Settled on Varget with the advice of a friend, loaded up 225 grain partitions and Accubonds. Went up to 59 grains for over 2800+ fps! Accubonds were a perfect clover leaf! A thing of beauty. Rem Brass Fed 210 primers 1:12 grain left gain twist barrel 24" :grin: :grin: