35 Whelen Imp.

[muleman]

Rodger,
I fire form for three different AIs and get primers that look like that all the time. My loads(like Jake's) are around 50k psi for the standard case. Even if jamming the bullets adds 7-10k psi your still well within safety parameters. I'm not sure; but the primers may be a sign of not having the bullets engaging the lands. My primers are more flattened than cratered.

Scott

 

[nvbroncrider]

Rodger,
I fire form for three different AIs and get primers that look like that all the time. My loads(like Jake's) are around 50k psi for the standard case. Even if jamming the bullets adds 7-10k psi your still well within safety parameters. I'm not sure; but the primers may be a sign of not having the bullets engaging the lands. My primers are more flattened than cratered.

Scott

Yep exactly Scott. They are flat in my cases as well during forming.

 

[truck driver]

Rodger by the evidence of those targets I believe you are well on our way to having that AI shooting very well . Good job Lad.

Blessings,
Dan

Thanks Dan, they are just a light load I grabbed out of the Hornady and Sierra manuals for a starter load to form the brass.
I got some more brass to form before I get serious with the reloading but those targets do make me feel better about the rifle.

Jake and Scott I'm not sweating the primers and I did load some a little heavier for todays range outing. The 200gr Hornadys are loaded against the lands and I loaded some 200gr ABs in my favorite load for the M700 to try also to fire form just to see if they work in the Ackely and they are loaded out to 3.395" and still don't touch the lands.

Funny thing when I was shooting those targets, I had sighted in with the 200gr Hornadys and the 18 shot target was shot with 225gr Sierras, the 200s were sighted in dead center hold so when I chambered the 225s I used the same hold and they hit 2" high but dead center and as the rifle got dirtier they found a lower point of impact. the powder charge for both bullets was the same 51grs of IMR4895.
Today I'll be shooting 3 different powders to see what it will do and I also increased the charge to raise the muzzle velocity and pressure.

Also just to let you know I'm getting a crush fit with the standard Whelen brass so JES knows his stuff when chambering for a Ackely so you can shoot factory ammo in it.

 

[nvbroncrider]

Sounds good. If your hitting about 2 inches low at 25 it should be on at 100. That's how my AI is set up as well.

 

[truck driver]

Went to the range to finish up fire forming and loaded 3 different brands of powder to see what kind of groups they would produce
I have one target with 1 5 shot group with 200gr ABs, same target with a total of 10 200gr ABs and 1 target with 2 5 shot groups of 200gr HSP with 2 different powders. All targets shot at 50yds.
Now that I have 50 pieces of brass formed I'll stretch it out to 100yds.

Brass came out the same as before.

 

[SJB358]

Looks like 8208 is a good one for the 200's.... Be interesting to see what they do when you stretch them out a little.

 

[truck driver]

Looks like 8208 is a good one for the 200's.... Be interesting to see what they do when you stretch them out a little.

Yeah that load is a good one in the standard cartridge. Now that I have some cases (50) formed I'll start looking for Ackely loads.
How about running a QL for the 200gr Ab with 8208 in a 24" barrel so I can compare them with the standard.

 

[DrMike]

Cartridge          : .35 Whelen Ack. Imp.
Bullet             : .358, 200, Nosler AccuBond 54425
Useable Case Capaci: 67.507 grain H2O = 4.383 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : IMR 8208 XBR

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   78    48.56   2337    2426   31116   6168     92.1    1.424
-18.0   80    49.77   2391    2538   33074   6344     93.1    1.389
-16.0   82    50.99   2444    2653   35151   6515     94.1    1.355
-14.0   84    52.20   2497    2770   37355   6679     94.9    1.321
-12.0   86    53.42   2551    2889   39691   6837     95.8    1.284
-10.0   88    54.63   2603    3010   42170   6987     96.5    1.249
-08.0   90    55.84   2656    3133   44799   7130     97.2    1.215
-06.0   92    57.06   2708    3258   47589   7264     97.8    1.182
-04.0   94    58.27   2761    3384   50551   7389     98.3    1.151  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   96    59.49   2812    3513   53697   7506     98.8    1.121  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   98    60.70   2864    3643   57040   7612     99.1    1.092  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0   99    61.91   2915    3774   60595   7708     99.5    1.063  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  101    63.13   2966    3907   64378   7794     99.7    1.036  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  103    64.34   3017    4041   68406   7869     99.9    1.010  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  105    65.56   3067    4177   72700   7933    100.0    0.985  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  107    66.77   3117    4313   77281   7985    100.0    0.960  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     98    60.70   2973    3925   67084   7367    100.0    1.022  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     98    60.70   2712    3266   47245   7524     94.6    1.183

 

[SJB358]

Wow. 2900 with a 200 AB.... That might be an awesome all arounders. That's some serious HP...

 

[truck driver]

Thanks DrMike.

Scotty it looks like it will sing for sure.

I was wondering if someone can explain how to adjust the M70 trigger to me? I've tried twice to get the thing set and it feels good out of the stock and also when I first dry fire it in the stock but when I go to the range and live fire it I get a gritty creepy trigger pull after the first shot almost as if it were a two stage trigger. I've had the thing completely apart and cleaned and lubed it before putting it back together even made sure the sear was good and sharp. I beleave it was made in 1989 because of the numbers on the bottom of the receiver in front of the recoil lug. Maybe a U tube link would help.

 

[SJB358]

Thanks DrMike.

Scotty it looks like it will sing for sure.

I was wondering if someone can explain how to adjust the M70 trigger to me? I've tried twice to get the thing set and it feels good out of the stock and also when I first dry fire it in the stock but when I go to the range and live fire it I get a gritty creepy trigger pull after the first shot almost as if it were a two stage trigger. I've had the thing completely apart and cleaned and lubed it before putting it back together even made sure the sear was good and sharp. I beleave it was made in 1989 because of the numbers on the bottom of the receiver in front of the recoil lug. Maybe a U tube link would help.

I would search Google for a video or instructions. I used to have a very good written set of instructions, but once you do it 1 time, it's very easy.

Do you have a trigger pull gauge? Doesn't really matter, but it is very helpful. You can adjust for weight, over travel, and creep to a certain degree. Usually when you get rid of some weight, the creep goes away..

 

[preacher]

If you can find some H322, work up to 58 to 58.5 with any 200. You will get around 2950+ ; Super juice! :grin:

 

[truck driver]

Thanks DrMike.

Scotty it looks like it will sing for sure.

I was wondering if someone can explain how to adjust the M70 trigger to me? I've tried twice to get the thing set and it feels good out of the stock and also when I first dry fire it in the stock but when I go to the range and live fire it I get a gritty creepy trigger pull after the first shot almost as if it were a two stage trigger. I've had the thing completely apart and cleaned and lubed it before putting it back together even made sure the sear was good and sharp. I beleave it was made in 1989 because of the numbers on the bottom of the receiver in front of the recoil lug. Maybe a U tube link would help.

I would search Google for a video or instructions. I used to have a very good written set of instructions, but once you do it 1 time, it's very easy.

Do you have a trigger pull gauge? Doesn't really matter, but it is very helpful. You can adjust for weight, over travel, and creep to a certain degree. Usually when you get rid of some weight, the creep goes away..

I just read and saw all the videos and instructions on how to adjust the trigger and I've been doing all the right things. The only thing left to do is to polish all the surfaces and see if that helps.

If you can find some H322, work up to 58 to 58.5 with any 200. You will get around 2950+ ; Super juice! :grin:

Thanks Preacher Jim I'll see if I can find some.

 

[truck driver]

Though not related to the cartridge I have a 2.5-8X36 Leupold on the rifle and all the scopes that I own that are marked -0+ on the objective lenses usually are adjustable But this one isn't or should it be?

 

[DrMike]

The locking ring in front of the objective loosens and permits turning the objective.

 

[JD338]

Wow. 2900 with a 200 AB.... That might be an awesome all arounders. That's some serious HP...

That's 338 Win Mag territory. As I recall, Remington once loaded the 210 gr PT at 2910 fps.

JD338

 

[SJB358]

Wow. 2900 with a 200 AB.... That might be an awesome all arounders. That's some serious HP...

That's 338 Win Mag territory. As I recall, Remington once loaded the 210 gr PT at 2910 fps.

JD338

Oh yeah, for sure, I get right at 3050 with the 210 PT's in my 25" barreled Alaskan.. 2950 from a Whelen is hot stuff.. Better than I could do with a 300 mag most of the time with 200's.

 

[truck driver]

The locking ring in front of the objective loosens and permits turning the objective.

On my Ziess Conquest and Vortex you have a quick focus feature and they are marked -0+ and you can turn the focus ring instead of the whole objective lenses. And that's what I thought this was on the Leupold.

 

[truck driver]

Wow. 2900 with a 200 AB.... That might be an awesome all arounders. That's some serious HP...

That's 338 Win Mag territory. As I recall, Remington once loaded the 210 gr PT at 2910 fps.

JD338

I don't plan on going there with my loads but it's nice to know it's available if I want it.

 

[nvbroncrider]

If it's accurate you will!!