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remingtonman_25_06":ygzjycp6 said:
That is what I am saying! :wink:
Ballistic Tip penetration & experience
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That is what I am saying! :wink:
ANYTIME....one notices 'craterization' around the firing pin indentation on the primer along with possibly an extractor mark on the case rim....you can bet your sweet arse you're over the recommended limits for pressure! Why ANYONE would want to go OVER the as listed loading recommendation is beyond me! Those MAX LOAD LISTINGS are in the book for a reason; not just some arbitrary figure that has been grabbed outa thin air! Steel...when subjected to high pressures is elastic.....and when it's had enough......an idiot will suffer the consequences of stupidity!! :roll: 
You are using the Fed 215 Magnum primer in a standard rifle and with a combination of a powder charge in maximum will cause pressures to skyrocket. Should be safer to use a standard large rifle primer like the Fed. 210's.
It will be wise to keep the velocity down a bit and to the 3400 range
I would not really be worried if I was you making these hot loads for someone else, if I was you and I would rather be safe than sorry.
Have you ever seen a bolt from an action bust its lugs and go rearward into someone's face? Ohhhh, that must hurt.
It will be wise to keep the velocity down a bit and to the 3400 range
I would not really be worried if I was you making these hot loads for someone else, if I was you and I would rather be safe than sorry.
Have you ever seen a bolt from an action bust its lugs and go rearward into someone's face? Ohhhh, that must hurt.
remingtonman_25_06
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WOuldn't the easiest way to determine if its a hot load is to measure the case head expansion after firing??? Try doing that on a couple of those loads and see what you come up with as to some factory shells or some regular reloads. I"m not sure how much is the tolerance, maybe someone else can chime in.....
Easiest way to OBSERVE HIGH PRESSURE:
1. Is the rifle still in one piece? :roll:
2. Are you still consuming oxygen? :roll:
3. How's your vision? :roll: :shock:
4.Excessive recoil
5.Stuck bolt
6.Blown primer
7.Flattened primer
8.Crater at edge of firing prin indentation :?
The old time accepted rule on case head expansion is approximately .0005".
1. Is the rifle still in one piece? :roll:
2. Are you still consuming oxygen? :roll:
3. How's your vision? :roll: :shock:
4.Excessive recoil
5.Stuck bolt
6.Blown primer
7.Flattened primer
8.Crater at edge of firing prin indentation :?
The old time accepted rule on case head expansion is approximately .0005".
I use mag primers in all hunting loads, especially when using slower powders, I work up to the max using the mag primer. The guy I load them for is 48 yrs. old, been shooting deer for nearly 40 of them so I don't argue with him I just load em. I don't use loads that hot myself, when using B.T.'s , I load 45 gr, IMR 4350 under 120 gr. pill, and a fed 215, with around 2800 fps mv in the same gun just newer, but the hot loads shoot fine in his gun, I check them religiously after each fire, and limit the brass to only 3 cycles before changing to new.
300rummy":1qedy8md said:
300rummy
What I'm saying is.........that the 'dummy' I was speaking of loads SO HOT.....that he opts to beat his bolt open WITH THE LOADS HE USES!! Operating at the upper levels of the pressure envelope are EXCITING!! Kinda like a grab bag in that one never knows what they're gonna get!! :roll: :roll:
So are you saying I'm a dummy? As far as we are concerned we have used this load in his gun for several years without ever having any trouble, with the same results from the last five fired as we did with 6 boxes of 50 ago, which would be 300 rounds, so i'd say they're pretty consistant, I mean nothing ever changes in the load so why would it.
25-06 Remington, all bullet weights
Bullet Powder Weight Powder Velocity OAL Primer Source
100gr BTHP 50.5 gr IMR Unknown CCI LR guest
100gr SP 52.7 gr IMR4350 Unknown 3.250" Fed LR guest
Excellent accuracy and trajectory.
Email author: jdzurinda
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100gr JSP 52.0 gr imr 4350 3,200 fps CCI LR guest
Dont have a chrono but this load is listed as a max in my manual so work up to it of course. The rifle is a ruger M77 (orange but pad for you ruger freaks). It has a 26 inch magnum weight barrel. I have a simmons 6.5-24X scope on it and this load is a one ragged hole shooter at 100 yards. The bullet is a sierra game king. My rifle does not like any boat tail bullets that I have found. OAL is actually quite short, will have to measure one and update this (if I can figure out how).
Email author: gltm
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100gr BTHP 58.0 gr RL 22 3,550 fps CCI LR guest
VERY EASY TO SHOT NOT ALOT OF RECOIL
100gr BTHP 54.0 gr w-w 760 3,680 fps CCI SP guest
LOADS SHOT IN CUSTOM MAUSER WORK UP LOADS WITH CAUTION
100gr JSP 54.0 gr IMR 4831 3,400 fps CCI LR guest
I have use this in a few guns. It is from a older manual long since updfated and may be a bit warm. I am a fan of Federal brass in the 25-06. Use the Nosler Part. at this velocity for a game load. The Speer BTSP is a bomb on varmits at this speed, way cool.
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100gr BTHP 47.0 gr h414 3,150 fps 3.225" Win LR guest
use a nosler balistic tip
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100gr SP 51.0 gr IMR 4350 3,168 fps 3.195" CCI LRM guest
Great Whitetail load! 5-shot group size is .633 at 100yds. speer bullets touching the riflings in TC Encore 26" stainless bull barrel. Start at 49 grains and work up.Excessive pressure signs began to show around 52.5 grains
Email author: sxpress1
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100gr BTHP 40.5 gr IMR 4895 3,100 fps 3.220" Win LR guest
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117gr BTHP 56.5 gr IMR7828 Unknown 3.310" CCI LRM guest
Bullets are Hornady BTSP
Email author: incahoot
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117gr SP 54.0 gr Reloader 22 3,010 fps 3.150" CCI LR guest
Primer- CCI Benchrest #2 Large Rifle Case length-2.484 Cases- Remington Rifle- Ruger MkII All weather Bullet- 117 gr SST HDY 54.0 grs of RL 22 shoots just under 1"(.987) I think that it would shoot better, but the ruger has a sloppy trigger.
Email author: swirl69
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117gr SP 49.0 gr imr 3,050 fps 3.310" Win LR guest
This load is very accurate sub moa in all 25.06 I have owned. CLOSE TO MAX BE CAREFULL!
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117gr SP 49.0 gr h4350 Unknown CCI SP guest
117gr BTHP 40.0 gr varget 2,700 fps Fed LR guest
this sounds like a strange combo but with a 117 gr sierra spbt it makes every 5 shot group under .5". best group is .307". bullet is .015 off rifeling in savage 110 box rifle.
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117gr BTHP 56.5 gr Reloader 22 3,240 fps Fed LR guest
The bullets are Hornady 117gr BTSP (interlock), primers are Fed 210 match, brass is Winchester. The bullets are seated .005 from the lands. The velocity is an average of 3240 (ranged from 3220 to 3252). This load shoots well out of my Remington BDL. I get 5 shot groups of 1 inch or less.
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120gr SP 50.5 gr IMR4350 3,100 fps 3.225" Fed LR guest
In my opinion, this is the perfect antelope load. I use the Nosler Partition bullet because at this velocity a close shot will cause bullet failure on lightly constructed bullets. MPBR is 322 yds. with a retained energy of 1460 @ 300 yds. This is a fairly hot load, work up slowly.
Email author: gman
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120gr BTHP 54.0 gr H4831 3,100 fps CCI LRM guest
Sierra Bullet. Charge is over max. by one grain. Good long range white-tail load from Remington 700 Sendero.
Email author: pford
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120gr SP 48.4 gr IMR 4350 2,936 fps Win LR guest
Nosler Partition seat touching lands this shot .368@100 in my Rem 700 BDL one shot kill on mulie @ 317 yrds with range finer.
Email author: bhunter100
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120gr BTHP 48.0 gr IMR 4350 2,896 fps Win LR guest
Sierra BTHP seat touching lands this shot .344@100 in my 700BDL
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120gr BTHP 50.7 gr wxr by winchester 2,975 fps Win LR guest
Works on the dune coons and ground diggers
120gr BTHP 50.5 gr IMR7828 2,790 fps 3.140" Win LR guest
1.5inch groups at 100yds whith a NEF Ultra 26in barrel. Bullet is a Sierra 120hpbt. Brass is winchester. Very little recoil.
Email author: shaneslouha
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120gr BTHP 47.5 gr IMR4350 Unknown CCI LR guest
Was consistently shooting about 1 inch at 200 yds.
75gr BTHP 55.0 gr IMR-4350 3,500 fps 3.190" CCI LRM guest
Extremely accurate in my 1-10 twist rifle,Came to LIFE with magnum primer!
85gr SP 53.1 gr 4831 3,000 fps CCI LR guest
Email author: ricsmith270
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87gr speer 55.5 gr imr4831 Unknown cci guest
87gr BTHP 55.0 gr imr4350 Unknown CCI SP guest
good varmit load an coyote load speer tnt 87 gr hpbt
Email author: bluetick11111
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90gr BTHP 54.0 gr W-W 760 3,650 fps CCI LR
Bullet Powder Weight Powder Velocity OAL Primer Source
100gr BTHP 50.5 gr IMR Unknown CCI LR guest
100gr SP 52.7 gr IMR4350 Unknown 3.250" Fed LR guest
Excellent accuracy and trajectory.
Email author: jdzurinda
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100gr JSP 52.0 gr imr 4350 3,200 fps CCI LR guest
Dont have a chrono but this load is listed as a max in my manual so work up to it of course. The rifle is a ruger M77 (orange but pad for you ruger freaks). It has a 26 inch magnum weight barrel. I have a simmons 6.5-24X scope on it and this load is a one ragged hole shooter at 100 yards. The bullet is a sierra game king. My rifle does not like any boat tail bullets that I have found. OAL is actually quite short, will have to measure one and update this (if I can figure out how).
Email author: gltm
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100gr BTHP 58.0 gr RL 22 3,550 fps CCI LR guest
VERY EASY TO SHOT NOT ALOT OF RECOIL
100gr BTHP 54.0 gr w-w 760 3,680 fps CCI SP guest
LOADS SHOT IN CUSTOM MAUSER WORK UP LOADS WITH CAUTION
100gr JSP 54.0 gr IMR 4831 3,400 fps CCI LR guest
I have use this in a few guns. It is from a older manual long since updfated and may be a bit warm. I am a fan of Federal brass in the 25-06. Use the Nosler Part. at this velocity for a game load. The Speer BTSP is a bomb on varmits at this speed, way cool.
Email author: bridgepointartisan
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100gr BTHP 47.0 gr h414 3,150 fps 3.225" Win LR guest
use a nosler balistic tip
Email author: rssammo
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100gr SP 51.0 gr IMR 4350 3,168 fps 3.195" CCI LRM guest
Great Whitetail load! 5-shot group size is .633 at 100yds. speer bullets touching the riflings in TC Encore 26" stainless bull barrel. Start at 49 grains and work up.Excessive pressure signs began to show around 52.5 grains
Email author: sxpress1
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100gr BTHP 40.5 gr IMR 4895 3,100 fps 3.220" Win LR guest
Email author: fbaronccini
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117gr BTHP 56.5 gr IMR7828 Unknown 3.310" CCI LRM guest
Bullets are Hornady BTSP
Email author: incahoot
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117gr SP 54.0 gr Reloader 22 3,010 fps 3.150" CCI LR guest
Primer- CCI Benchrest #2 Large Rifle Case length-2.484 Cases- Remington Rifle- Ruger MkII All weather Bullet- 117 gr SST HDY 54.0 grs of RL 22 shoots just under 1"(.987) I think that it would shoot better, but the ruger has a sloppy trigger.
Email author: swirl69
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117gr SP 49.0 gr imr 3,050 fps 3.310" Win LR guest
This load is very accurate sub moa in all 25.06 I have owned. CLOSE TO MAX BE CAREFULL!
Email author: johnl7
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117gr SP 49.0 gr h4350 Unknown CCI SP guest
117gr BTHP 40.0 gr varget 2,700 fps Fed LR guest
this sounds like a strange combo but with a 117 gr sierra spbt it makes every 5 shot group under .5". best group is .307". bullet is .015 off rifeling in savage 110 box rifle.
Email author: mtidball1
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117gr BTHP 56.5 gr Reloader 22 3,240 fps Fed LR guest
The bullets are Hornady 117gr BTSP (interlock), primers are Fed 210 match, brass is Winchester. The bullets are seated .005 from the lands. The velocity is an average of 3240 (ranged from 3220 to 3252). This load shoots well out of my Remington BDL. I get 5 shot groups of 1 inch or less.
Email author: skoelewyn
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120gr SP 50.5 gr IMR4350 3,100 fps 3.225" Fed LR guest
In my opinion, this is the perfect antelope load. I use the Nosler Partition bullet because at this velocity a close shot will cause bullet failure on lightly constructed bullets. MPBR is 322 yds. with a retained energy of 1460 @ 300 yds. This is a fairly hot load, work up slowly.
Email author: gman
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120gr BTHP 54.0 gr H4831 3,100 fps CCI LRM guest
Sierra Bullet. Charge is over max. by one grain. Good long range white-tail load from Remington 700 Sendero.
Email author: pford
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120gr SP 48.4 gr IMR 4350 2,936 fps Win LR guest
Nosler Partition seat touching lands this shot .368@100 in my Rem 700 BDL one shot kill on mulie @ 317 yrds with range finer.
Email author: bhunter100
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120gr BTHP 48.0 gr IMR 4350 2,896 fps Win LR guest
Sierra BTHP seat touching lands this shot .344@100 in my 700BDL
Email author: bhunter100
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120gr BTHP 50.7 gr wxr by winchester 2,975 fps Win LR guest
Works on the dune coons and ground diggers
120gr BTHP 50.5 gr IMR7828 2,790 fps 3.140" Win LR guest
1.5inch groups at 100yds whith a NEF Ultra 26in barrel. Bullet is a Sierra 120hpbt. Brass is winchester. Very little recoil.
Email author: shaneslouha
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120gr BTHP 47.5 gr IMR4350 Unknown CCI LR guest
Was consistently shooting about 1 inch at 200 yds.
75gr BTHP 55.0 gr IMR-4350 3,500 fps 3.190" CCI LRM guest
Extremely accurate in my 1-10 twist rifle,Came to LIFE with magnum primer!
85gr SP 53.1 gr 4831 3,000 fps CCI LR guest
Email author: ricsmith270
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87gr speer 55.5 gr imr4831 Unknown cci guest
87gr BTHP 55.0 gr imr4350 Unknown CCI SP guest
good varmit load an coyote load speer tnt 87 gr hpbt
Email author: bluetick11111
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90gr BTHP 54.0 gr W-W 760 3,650 fps CCI LR
I agree 100%, all i'm saying is that the particular load shoots in his gun without problems, and as long as he's happy, and there's no apparent pressure signs then he will keep shootingm it, like in the last post I showed where in different instances people are loading hotter than his load, one being 3550, and the other at 3680 which to me would for sure be risky.
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Anyone here have any experience with 225 BT in the Whelen? I have a load with RL 15-2740fps that shoots bugholes. I'd like to use this load on deer, but have been told that the 35 bt is really tough. I shoot 150s out of a 270 with very good results if you stay away from the shoulders. :?:
