Got Me A Short Tumper

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A wife is a powerful force and especially if she is a good person and has done a whole lot for her husband through the years. Well, Nancy has been that kind of person so she has a lot of power just because of who she is. I have spent a lot of money on trades and the last two custom builds (257-300Wby and 270-300Wby). She ask me not to builld or trade any more rifles for this next year. I said, I need a close up short rifle for Mississippi. She said, "OK, buy it but if you would, please keep your total cost under $1200.00 for rifle, scope and reloading dies and leave it at that for this year." So in light of my situation of wanting a standard thumper among my inventory, and I can't build one because of my agreement with Nancy (Was going to build a short 375 H&H). I needed a cartridge to do the short thick stuff. After much debating in my mind I have decided on the following. I have purchased a Remington Mod 7 CDL in 350 Rem. mag.. The Mod 7 CDL has iron sights on the barrel and I will be using a 2-7x35mm scope. This I believe will handle my Mississippi hunting being a short rifle that handles easy in tight places like in pine woods, uderbrush thickets and hard wood bottoms and is easy to operate in a tree stand. It will be good on deer and hog in Mississippi and also will be good for black bear in the ponderosa forest in the mountains of Arizona and the juniper thickets along the Eagle river that I hunt in the mountains of Arizona. I also think this 350 Rem Mag along with my 257-300Wby, and 270-300Wby as the three main rifles will allow me to hunt in any terrain from deer to bear. If the rifle does not give me 1/2" to 3/4" groups I will glass bed the stock, and freefloat the barrel. I am going to seal the inside of the wood stock against whether. This rifle, scope, bullets, brass, dies, and powder will cost me $1190.00 total. This does not come close to what I have spent on the other two rifle builds and then you add, bullets, dies, powder and such.

In studying the 350Rem mag to make up my mine it seemed to me that the 350 Rem mag case compresses more from the rear and not as much from the sides or the sharp angled shoulders as longer cartridges do. The short 350 Rem Mag is highly efficient and with WW748 out performs the 35 Whelen with 225gr bullets and does it with a 20" barrel even though their case capacity is all but the same. Charles Morgan who comes to our shooting range has been loading for one and gets 2712fps across the chrono with WW748 and 225gr Accubonds. Once again illustrating how the short not to fat not to skinny cases are more efficient powder burners. This will also allow the barrel life to not be an issue at all since the column of powder compresses more from the rear of the case causing less broken and un-burned powder from cutting the throat which shortens the life of a barrel. Two other powders, IMR4320 and IMR4895 are also powders that produce great results in the 350 Rem Mag when using 225gr bullets. As I have mentioned I have bought a Rem Mod 7 CDL in 350 Rem Mag and will use a 2-7x35mm scope on it. It will be a handy and powerful short mag rifle for pine woods, juniper thickets, and from tree stands while at the same time being light, easy to carry when spotting and stalking and can be brought to bare quickly on short up close shots with a whole lot of thump and not to much recoil. Pushing a 225 AccuBond bullet at 2712fps with 59.2grs of WW748 gives 3673ft pounds of energy at muzzle and still has 2000ft pounds of energy out to 360yds. Sight in 2.7" high at 100yds, zero is 225yds and -6.3" at 300yds, hold on top shoulder good on deer size game out to 390yds. Yes, this will fill a nich in my inventory. :grin:
 
Do any of you own or have used a 350 Rem Mag for hunting deer, elk, moose, black bear, brown bear, caribou, hog, mountain lion or anyother big game?
 
I have shot a 350 remington since remington came out with the 700 classic. I started with the sierra 225 since it was the only spire point at the time in the 225 grain. I now use the 225 Partition though i never had a problem with the sierra. I have only used the 350 for rosevelt elk in the timber where shots are 100 yards or less. I have taken 11 elk and they have all been 1 shot kills. I use H 4895 remington brass winchester primer for 2600 fps. I also have a 35 whelen in the classic but the 350 goes to the woods .
 
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The 35 calibers are thumpers for almost any game in NA. I haven't shot the 350 RM but I have a M700 Classic in 35 Whelen. I have used the factory 200 gr PSPCL to take 4 WT bucks and the 225 gr PT for another dozen + WT bucks and a 250 lb Blk Bear.
You will have a true stopper for all of the game mentioned and much more. Enjoy your new rifle and let us know how she shoots.

BTW, your bride is a keeper. :wink:

JD338
 
Hey that is cool, 11 elk, wow. Thanks for the report and the powder you like to use. :grin:
 
I to am a Oregon coast 700 classic shooter! The 350 what cant it do? DO not believe the knuckleheads that say it is only a 200 yard rifle, with a 225 and even the 200 TSX will have 2K or so energy at 300 yard and 8-10" drop wit a 2000 zero, what does your precious what ever magnum have at that range? Good luck with such a great rifle and even better round. Good luck with your pig sticker!
 
Thanks for the encouragement. I did a lot of study and I have hunted and reloaded for over 30yrs now and when all my list of things that I made up for this certain niche to be filled was complete, the 350 Rem Mag won the day. I think I have made a very practical and wise choice. One thing I noticed about the cartridge design was it was not to fat and not to skinny as well as not being to long or to short allowing it to be very efficient on powder burn and by design will burn different powders consistently giving good accuracy as well as good velocity especially with the 225 and 250gr bullets. Thanks for responding guys.. :grin:
 
I belive the 350rem was the first scout rifle setup by Cooper for lions and other tough beasts. It set the craze small though it be for savage. kifur, and rugers scout rifles.

I shoot the 35whelen, 358win, and 35rem. Speed is nice but with these 358 cals guns it isn't necessary to get the very highest velocity possible. Their bullets work well on game at their max and min velocities and at woodsy ranges its not needed for trajectory. Pick the best accuracy load for the game on hand and go with it. The 225gr partiton may prove the best for the (I am assuming) short modle seven magazine.

The 180gr speers and barns are very fast, can you say goat rifle?

I under stand that reloader #15 is very good in the 350rem.
 
I just had a Boone and Crockett reticle installed in the 2.5x8 Loopy on my .358 Model 7, and yesterday I was clanking the 400-yard gong at will (with the "450"-yard dot). Never missed it once.

350 mag is hardly a 200 yard cartridge! You got yourself a great cartridge there.

-jeff
 
I like the 200 Hornady SP for deer; really whacks 'em. I get over 2600 fps with RL7.

Next time I try 225's I'll try those powders, though!

-jeff
 
Yeah, too long for my .358. John Barsness says they work great in a long-action .358.

I killed a blacktail buck with a 225-Partition and it worked great. However, I have settled on the 200 Hornady as it get 'er done just fine and is cheap. Here's a pic of an exit wound on a little blacktail spike buck:

onedeeddeer358.jpg


killed with the 200 Hornady.

Hey, if Nosler will make a .35 in 200 grains, I'll use it!

-jeff
 
Jeff Olsen":1nmy9hoh said:
I just had a Boone and Crockett reticle installed in the 2.5x8 Loopy on my .358 Model 7, and yesterday I was clanking the 400-yard gong at will (with the "450"-yard dot). Never missed it once.

350 mag is hardly a 200 yard cartridge! You got yourself a great cartridge there.

-jeff

Yea Jeff I think so and can't wait for it to get here and start to reload for it.
 
POP":16zw97ld said:
225 grains and rl15 or win 748!
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Pop thanks for the powder info. I new 748 was cool but good to know that RL-15 also works. I will be trying it long with the 748.
 
Jeff Olsen":26mabdfe said:
Yeah, too long for my .358. John Barsness says they work great in a long-action .358.

I killed a blacktail buck with a 225-Partition and it worked great. However, I have settled on the 200 Hornady as it get 'er done just fine and is cheap. Here's a pic of an exit wound on a little blacktail spike buck:

onedeeddeer358.jpg


killed with the 200 Hornady.

Hey, if Nosler will make a .35 in 200 grains, I'll use it!

-jeff

Thanks for the picture, it seems to really do the job well. I had not thought of using honady but that is also worth a try in my reloading trials.
 
bullet":3b0o5cv9 said:
POP":3b0o5cv9 said:
225 grains and rl15 or win 748!
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Pop thanks for the powder info. I new 748 was cool but good to know that RL-15 also works. I will be trying it long with the 748.

Cartridge : .350 Rem. Mag.
Bullet : .358, 225, Nosler PART SP 44800
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch or 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch or 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-15

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 85 45.60 2136 2280 30536 6297 88.5 1.451
-18.0 87 46.74 2189 2395 32640 6496 89.7 1.411
-16.0 89 47.88 2242 2512 34891 6691 90.9 1.372
-14.0 91 49.02 2295 2632 37275 6879 92.0 1.335
-12.0 93 50.16 2349 2756 39807 7060 93.0 1.295
-10.0 96 51.30 2402 2882 42515 7235 94.0 1.256
-08.0 98 52.44 2455 3011 45415 7401 94.9 1.219
-06.0 100 53.58 2508 3142 48522 7559 95.7 1.183
-04.0 102 54.72 2561 3277 51854 7707 96.5 1.149
-02.0 104 55.86 2614 3414 55430 7845 97.2 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 106 57.00 2667 3554 59271 7973 97.8 1.083 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 108 58.14 2720 3696 63402 8090 98.3 1.053 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 110 59.28 2773 3841 67852 8194 98.8 1.023 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 113 60.42 2825 3988 72651 8287 99.2 0.994 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 115 61.56 2878 4138 77834 8366 99.5 0.966 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 117 62.70 2930 4290 83444 8431 99.8 0.939 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 106 57.00 2789 3887 71204 7808 100.0 1.007 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 106 57.00 2502 3128 47812 7744 91.6 1.185
 
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