Got my 210gr ABLRs from SPS!!! Range update

[remingtonman_25_06]

Very nice to see some results with these bullets.

Interesting to see it only made to jug 4. With that type of weight retention though its about right as one would expect. They obviously are not as tough as the original AB, but then again, I dont think there trying to fill that niche. This is a LR bullet and that extra expansion will be great bonus over the regular AB.

Anyone have any results with the 7mm 168s yet?

 

[35 Whelen]

Brian,
That bullet is "Long and Lean every young mans dream" keep us posted as soon as you kill something with them how they actually perform!

 

[SJB358]

Very nice buddy. I think you have a great place to start accuracy wise, and the weight retention looks pretty good. The good thing, is they look a little "soft", so even under full house, up close and personal, they stick together, I would imagine they are going to do better yet as range increases.

 

[DrMike]

Moving the right way, Brian. I'm going to assume that the transfer of energy through the water and into the board accounted for some of the dissipation causing less penetration. It would be interesting to see the test run again to see if you don't get somewhat more penetration.

 

[Woodycreek]

I do think the 210 ABLR is softer than the 200 AB for good reason. The 200 ABs at 3170 FPS would go through 5-6 jugs and retain 115-132 grains.

Dr. Mike

I ran the jug test twice and both times four jugs with similar weight retention. The bullets never touch the board. That was all pressure from the water.

 

[SJB358]

I do think the 210 ABLR is softer than the 200 AB for good reason. The 200 ABs at 3170 FPS would go through 5-6 jugs and retain 115-132 grains.

Dr. Mike

I ran the jug test twice and both times four jugs with similar weight retention. The bullets never touch the board. That was all pressure from the water.

I can't wait to see what they do even further out. That is where they were designed to work better. I imagine it'll be awhile till they are caught in just at 500+ though.

 

[DrMike]

I ran the jug test twice and both times four jugs with similar weight retention. The bullets never touch the board. That was all pressure from the water.

I would have assumed that the pressure was causative. My point is that it is suggestive that there is perhaps increased displacement through energy transfer through the water (translating into increased hydrostatic shock in game). Just a theory at this point.

 

[Woodycreek]

I do think the 210 ABLR is softer than the 200 AB for good reason. The 200 ABs at 3170 FPS would go through 5-6 jugs and retain 115-132 grains.

Dr. Mike

I ran the jug test twice and both times four jugs with similar weight retention. The bullets never touch the board. That was all pressure from the water.

I can't wait to see what they do even further out. That is where they were designed to work better. I imagine it'll be awhile till they are caught in just at 500+ though.

We could try it at the new spot? Going to take more work and jugs :lol:

I would have assumed that the pressure was causative. My point is that it is suggestive that there is perhaps increased displacement through energy transfer through the water (translating into increased hydrostatic shock in game). Just a theory at this point.

For sure that bullet is transferring some serious hydro pressure "shock".

 

[SJB358]

It's pretty impressive though, I imagine you wouldn't find much of a Sierra or Berger shot into jugs at that speed. I think from what I see so far, they are doing what they intended. Rapid expansion and weight retention to drive on through.

 

[OU812]

WC thanks for your efforts and report. I think I will stick with the 200 AccuBond as it already serves me well for my intended purpose.

Bill

 

[akhunter]

What length barrel are you running? Sub 3000 fps is weak in the RUM for that bullet. I haven't shot them yet, let alone had any in my hand, but I'd think 3050-3100 fps would be doable. I'm still waiting to get these for my RUM to try out and the 284 cal 168gr for my 7mm WSM.

 

[JD338]

I would have thought you would have gotten more penetration.
I am sure you will get the accuracy and speed you are looking for as you work up your loads.
Thank you for your efforts.

JD338

 

[Woodycreek]

Rem 700 with a 26" barrel. Don't think I will get 3100 and yet to find data online over 3025 fps. The best I can do with the 200 AB is 3170 fps.


Retumbo

Cartridge : .300 Rem Ultra Mag
Bullet : .308, 210, Sierra HP MatchK 9240-2235
Useable Case Capaci: 99.268 grain H2O = 6.445 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.598 inch = 91.39 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Hodgdon Retumbo

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 91 83.70 2679 3347 44738 11771 100.0 1.570
-09.0 92 84.63 2707 3417 46336 11829 100.0 1.545
-08.0 93 85.56 2735 3487 47992 11886 100.0 1.520
-07.0 94 86.49 2762 3557 49713 11942 100.0 1.496
-06.0 95 87.42 2789 3627 51500 11997 100.0 1.473
-05.0 96 88.35 2816 3698 53356 12051 100.0 1.450
-04.0 97 89.28 2843 3769 55282 12105 100.0 1.427 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 98 90.21 2870 3840 57283 12157 100.0 1.405 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 99 91.14 2896 3911 59347 12208 100.0 1.384 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 100 92.07 2923 3983 61478 12259 100.0 1.363 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 101 93.00 2949 4055 63681 12309 100.0 1.342 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 102 93.93 2975 4128 65962 12357 100.0 1.321 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 103 94.86 3001 4200 68322 12405 100.0 1.302 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 104 95.79 3027 4273 70765 12451 100.0 1.282 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 105 96.72 3053 4347 73296 12497 100.0 1.263 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 106 97.65 3079 4420 75916 12541 100.0 1.244 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 101 93.00 3048 4333 78290 11908 100.0 1.238 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 101 93.00 2797 3648 49883 12896 100.0 1.483


Cartridge : .300 Rem Ultra Mag
Bullet : .308, 210, Sierra HP MatchK 9240-2235
Useable Case Capaci: 99.268 grain H2O = 6.445 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.598 inch = 91.39 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Hodgdon 50BMG

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 95 88.65 2591 3130 43718 12237 87.2 1.596
-09.0 96 89.64 2624 3210 45326 12423 87.9 1.569
-08.0 98 90.62 2657 3293 46997 12606 88.6 1.542
-07.0 99 91.61 2691 3376 48734 12786 89.3 1.516
-06.0 100 92.59 2724 3461 50540 12962 90.0 1.490
-05.0 101 93.58 2758 3547 52418 13134 90.7 1.465
-04.0 102 94.56 2792 3635 54371 13302 91.4 1.440
-03.0 103 95.55 2826 3724 56403 13467 92.0 1.416 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 104 96.53 2860 3814 58518 13627 92.6 1.392 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 105 97.52 2894 3906 60720 13782 93.2 1.368 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 106 98.50 2929 3999 63013 13932 93.8 1.345 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 107 99.49 2963 4094 65403 14077 94.3 1.322 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 108 100.47 2997 4190 67893 14216 94.9 1.300 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 109 101.46 3032 4287 70490 14350 95.4 1.278 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 110 102.44 3067 4385 73199 14478 95.9 1.256 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 111 103.43 3101 4485 76027 14600 96.3 1.234 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 106 98.50 3103 4489 76256 14239 98.7 1.235 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 106 98.50 2711 3426 50332 12961 85.2 1.488

Cartridge : .300 Rem Ultra Mag
Bullet : .308, 210, Sierra HP MatchK 9240-2235
Useable Case Capaci: 99.268 grain H2O = 6.445 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.598 inch = 91.39 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Vihtavuori N570

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 88 84.60 2690 3373 44496 13224 96.6 1.588
-09.0 89 85.54 2722 3454 46094 13365 97.1 1.562
-08.0 90 86.48 2754 3535 47749 13500 97.5 1.536
-07.0 91 87.42 2785 3618 49461 13628 97.9 1.512
-06.0 92 88.36 2817 3701 51233 13749 98.3 1.487
-05.0 93 89.30 2849 3784 53067 13862 98.6 1.463
-04.0 94 90.24 2880 3869 54967 13967 98.9 1.439
-03.0 95 91.18 2912 3954 56933 14065 99.2 1.416 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 95 92.12 2943 4039 58969 14155 99.4 1.394 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 96 93.06 2975 4126 61078 14237 99.6 1.371 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 97 94.00 3006 4213 63263 14310 99.8 1.350 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 98 94.94 3037 4300 65526 14375 99.9 1.328 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 99 95.88 3067 4388 67871 14432 99.9 1.307 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 100 96.82 3098 4476 70302 14479 100.0 1.286 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 101 97.76 3129 4564 72822 14518 100.0 1.266 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 102 98.70 3159 4653 75435 14554 100.0 1.246 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 97 94.00 3149 4623 77637 13728 100.0 1.236 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 97 94.00 2797 3649 49325 14169 94.9 1.502


Cartridge : .300 Rem Ultra Mag
Bullet : .308, 210, Sierra HP MatchK 9240-2235
Useable Case Capaci: 99.268 grain H2O = 6.445 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.598 inch = 91.39 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder 33

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 88 88.20 2673 3333 44301 13039 97.3 1.599
-09.0 89 89.18 2706 3414 45958 13172 97.8 1.572
-08.0 90 90.16 2739 3497 47678 13297 98.2 1.545
-07.0 91 91.14 2771 3580 49461 13414 98.5 1.519
-06.0 92 92.12 2803 3664 51312 13524 98.9 1.493
-05.0 93 93.10 2836 3749 53233 13626 99.1 1.468
-04.0 94 94.08 2868 3835 55227 13719 99.4 1.443
-03.0 95 95.06 2900 3921 57296 13803 99.6 1.419 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 96 96.04 2932 4008 59445 13879 99.7 1.395 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 96 97.02 2964 4096 61676 13945 99.9 1.372 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 97 98.00 2995 4184 63994 14002 100.0 1.349 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 98 98.98 3027 4272 66403 14050 100.0 1.327 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 99 99.96 3058 4361 68907 14089 100.0 1.305 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 100 100.94 3089 4451 71510 14126 100.0 1.283 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 101 101.92 3120 4540 74216 14162 100.0 1.262 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 102 102.90 3151 4631 77033 14196 100.0 1.241 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 97 98.00 3136 4585 79002 13425 100.0 1.234 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 97 98.00 2787 3622 49487 13990 95.8 1.505


Cartridge : .300 Rem Ultra Mag
Bullet : .308, 210, Sierra HP MatchK 9240-2235
Useable Case Capaci: 99.268 grain H2O = 6.445 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.598 inch = 91.39 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-50

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 93 91.80 2631 3228 42586 13228 95.9 1.668
-09.0 94 92.82 2665 3313 44251 13379 96.5 1.637
-08.0 95 93.84 2700 3399 45983 13522 97.0 1.608
-07.0 96 94.86 2734 3486 47786 13658 97.5 1.579
-06.0 97 95.88 2769 3574 49662 13785 97.9 1.550
-05.0 98 96.90 2803 3664 51614 13903 98.3 1.522
-04.0 99 97.92 2837 3754 53648 14013 98.7 1.495
-03.0 100 98.94 2872 3845 55765 14113 99.0 1.468 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 101 99.96 2906 3938 57971 14204 99.3 1.441 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 102 100.98 2940 4031 60270 14285 99.5 1.415 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 103 102.00 2974 4125 62666 14357 99.7 1.390 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 104 103.02 3008 4219 65165 14418 99.8 1.365 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 105 104.04 3042 4315 67772 14468 99.9 1.340 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 106 105.06 3076 4411 70493 14508 100.0 1.316 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 107 106.08 3109 4508 73334 14537 100.0 1.292 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 108 107.10 3143 4605 76301 14562 100.0 1.269 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 103 102.00 3135 4582 78663 13746 100.0 1.257 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 103 102.00 2740 3500 47413 14140 94.1 1.570

 

[nvbroncrider]

Good shooting. Can't complain with those results just need to stretch her out now.

 

[nvbroncrider]

That's close to performance I got outta the 90 AB at 3700 wonder if ideal velocity is around 2000 for expansion and penetration.

 

[.300winmag]

Nosler Reloading Data is available for the RUM and 210 ABLR

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[bobnob]

Someone should shoot those out of a 308 into the jugs to simulate impact much further out.

10 yards from a RUM is fairly unrealistic however I completely would have done the same thing at this very early stage of exploration just to get an idea of what these bullets will do.

You have made a good start to our journey of exploring these new bullets! I am so keen to try the .277 version in my 270 Win.

 

[Guy Miner]

High velocity is not our friend when it comes to penetration into the jugs.

The high velocity leads to tremendous bullet expansion and tends to reduce penetration. Spectacular results on the first few jugs however is typical.

That bullet/cartridge combo has loads of potential as a long range cartridge. No doubt of that whatsoever!

 

[onesonek]

I been wqiting for a bullet of this design capability for sometime. I don't think it hass an equal! jmo

 

[Woodycreek]

Someone should shoot those out of a 308 into the jugs to simulate impact much further out.

10 yards from a RUM is fairly unrealistic however I completely would have done the same thing at this very early stage of exploration just to get an idea of what these bullets will do.

You have made a good start to our journey of exploring these new bullets! I am so keen to try the .277 version in my 270 Win.

Hopefully be able to run some in my 308 Win this weekend. Looks like 2200-2400 fps should give me an idea what they will do at 500-700 yards .