Hey Nosler, why an EIGHTH 6mm bullet weighing 85-100 grains?

[Songdog]

Just wondering why the Powers that Be at Nosler have decided that a 90 grain AccuBond should be the next 6mm Pill.

You already have:
85 Partition
90 NBT
90 Etip
95 NBT
95 BST
95 Partition
100 Partition
and now (er.... someday) the 90 AccuBond?

I'd really like to know why there seems to be no interest in building a 105 NBT? Of all the bullets I listed.... the highest BC belongs to the 100 Partition at a paltry .384.... well over 100 points less than the 105 Amax (which is dominating sales over the NBT at my local shops about 100 to 1). I love the NBT... always have, it was the first box of bullets I ever bought (.25/85s) and I've killed more critters with them than all other bullets combined. But lately, I have to leave way too much on the table in terms of money and ballistic performance to justify buying anymore NBTs. Why Nosler.... why... no 105 NBT, and another 90 grain middle of the road offering?

I'm not looking for speculation here.... I'd like to know why... from Mike or Paul or JD... whoever.

 

[FOTIS]

I would have bet anything that it was going to be a 95 gr AB.

 

[Songdog]

That would have been another mistake......

 

[Gm weatherby man]

My 2 cents, all manufactures a building around speed instead of ballistic and terminal performance from point blank to the capable terminal reach of a particular caliber.that is why i will be switching back to the 90 grn e-tip since the 80 grn ttsx is farely light, great bullet, just looking for that extra weight for my daughters first moose.For me i would even like to see a 120 flat based bt,just me. :roll:

 

[Songdog]

.For me i would even like to see a 120 flat based bt,just me. :roll:

I think 120 flat-based NBTs would sell like Pro-Obama T-Shirts at an NRA rally....

They aren't all building around speed.... seems to me Hornady is leading the way these days with high BC projectiles that are more than capable hunting bullets. I'm not looking for speed.... I'm looking for ballistic efficiency.... and high BC bullets are far more efficient that the current soup can BC offerings that Nosler has.

 

[6mm Remington]

Songdog I know it isn't much higher than the 100 gr. Partition, but the 90 gr. E-tip does have a higher B.C. at .403! Not a lot, but it is some. The 90 gr. AccuBond is listed at .376. If they made a 100 gr. AccuBond or a 105 which would not be bad, that would probably rate higher still. I'm just not much for the Ballistic Tips. Now a heavy 6mm AccuBond I would be. To each our own, but I was not happy with the BT's when I tried them on game.

 

[FOTIS]

This is what Songdog is talking about....

Notice the BC


Hornady has pushed their match bullet design to the limit, then put them through painstaking production controls and strict testing to ensure they are as accurate as they can be. Every year, more and more competitive shooters discover Hornady Match Bullets print tighter groups and win more tournaments.

Featuring Hornady's Advanced Manufacturing Process (AMP) bullet jacket technology. Paired with a precision swaged lead core, the Match bullets feature a technologically advanced jacket that produce exceptional accuracy. This is not loaded ammunition.

Technical Information
# Caliber: 243 Cal
# Bullet Diameter: 0.243
# Bullet Weight: 105 Grains
# Bullet Style: Hollow Point Boat Tail
# Bullet Coating: Non-Coated

Ballistics Information:
# Ballistic Coefficient: 0.530

 

[6mm Remington]

That's a nice looking bullet Fotis. Have you used those in your 6mm? It sure is sleek looking.

 

[FOTIS]

No Sir:

I have not done anything gun related in the last 5 weeks or so. Basement is being finished so everything is packed away.

I have not even shot my 6mm Rem 700 V YET. If I remember it looks like this. :mrgreen:

 

[Songdog]

Hornady has pushed their match bullet design to the limit, then put them through painstaking production controls and strict testing to ensure they are as accurate as they can be. Every year, more and more competitive shooters discover Hornady Match Bullets print tighter groups and win more tournaments.

This is more what I'm talking about.... pushing the envelope... developing better projectiles.... then charging $20 a box for them! How can you not like that? Keep moving forward toward more efficient/accurate/and affordable fodder... not laterally stealing market share from yourself.

Nosler was founded on the principle of designing the best big game bullets in the world.... they did that for a long time.... but they're running a 1986 Chevy Lumina in NASCAR now. Remember.... Nosler first stuck a plastic tip in a bullet 25 years ago.... and the external design has hardly changed at all over those years. Time to take a step out of the Regan administration in Bend, OR.

 

[SJB358]

Gotta agree some. If the others can do it, I know Nosler can. Heck, look how fast the 300 AB's sold. Imagine a 175 BT for a 7mm, and some other select calibers that are really popular. I like the long heavy bullets, pushed out around 3000. Makes a pretty reliable projectile.

 

[SJB358]

No Sir:

I have not done anything gun related in the last 5 weeks or so. Basement is being finished so everything is packed away.

I have not even shot my 6mm Rem 700 V YET. If I remember it looks like this. :mrgreen:

What is the twist on your 6mm Fotis?

 

[CatskillCrawler]

I would agree that a heavier bullet would a nice niche to fill but more so for the penetration aspect of a bullet of that caliber. I have no interest whatsoever in the actual BC of a bullet. If I lived out west where I could employ any advantage a high BC bullet offers, I would sing another song. Here in the east there are many who would be very content with a 120gr flat-based bullet at 2750fps.

As far as the 90gr AB selection goes, got me? Sounds like a good bullet but I agree that you have to wonder what shortfall it satisfies.

 

[FOTIS]

No Sir:

I have not done anything gun related in the last 5 weeks or so. Basement is being finished so everything is packed away.

I have not even shot my 6mm Rem 700 V YET. If I remember it looks like this. :mrgreen:

What is the twist on your 6mm Fotis?

I am not sure Scott...

1:9 maybe?

 

[SJB358]

I am not sure Scott...

1:9 maybe?

I was just wondering. Man, if that's a 1-9, that would probably be a ton of fun with the 105 Amax's or the Nosler 105-107 CC's.. After seeing how Brian's 243AI does with 105 Amax's I am pretty impressed. Not sure what a 243 does for me a 6.5 in a similar case would, but it has the gears moving a little. I do like the 6mm. Anything off the 7x57 case is cool in my book.

Did Winchester ever chamber a 6mm Rem?

 

[SJB358]

I would agree that a heavier bullet would a nice niche to fill but more so for the penetration aspect of a bullet of that caliber. I have no interest whatsoever in the actual BC of a bullet. If I lived out west where I could employ any advantage a high BC bullet offers, I would sing another song. Here in the east there are many who would be very content with a 120gr flat-based bullet at 2750fps.

As far as the 90gr AB selection goes, got me? Sounds like a good bullet but I agree that you have to wonder what shortfall it satisfies.

Shoot, my cousins and a few other great friends love the Green Box 100 grain Rem CL's.. They do well in the woods. I took a few deer in NY with the 95 BT and 95 PT. They work really well. I not a huge 243 lover, but I do think it is about as nice a deer round as there is. I love the 95 BT and 95 PT's though. Both of them are some solid performers. Wouldn't even blink about putting one into one of our NY bears either. Chances are I won't ever do it as the 45-70 or 358 usually hunt when I am North!

 

[buckfever]

All though not a hunting bullet nosler has the 105 competition bullet with a b.c. of .517 and they flat out shoot in my 6mm br. I'm sure its just as good as the hornady.

 

[Songdog]

All though not a hunting bullet nosler has the 105 competition bullet with a b.c. of .517 and they flat out shoot in my 6mm br. I'm sure its just as good as the hornady.

All the match style hollow points I've run behave erratically on fur. I'll take a plastic tip all day... and give up that .030 in BC.

 

[6mm Remington]

I am not sure Scott...

1:9 maybe?

I was just wondering. Man, if that's a 1-9, that would probably be a ton of fun with the 105 Amax's or the Nosler 105-107 CC's.. After seeing how Brian's 243AI does with 105 Amax's I am pretty impressed. Not sure what a 243 does for me a 6.5 in a similar case would, but it has the gears moving a little. I do like the 6mm. Anything off the 7x57 case is cool in my book.

Did Winchester ever chamber a 6mm Rem?

NO- darn Winchester never ever chambered for the 6mm Remington! That might have been the downfall of the 243 if they had. I'd love a Model 70 classic sporter in 6mm Remington, or maybe one of the Montana Rifle Company ones in a 6mm. The do chamber for it, and essentially it is a Mauser/Model 70 best of both worlds combination. Nice looking rifles.

The twist should be 1-9 1/8 Scotty. After Remington screwed up and initially came out with a 1-12 and realized folks wanted to shoot heavier bullets than 90 grs. and also wanted to hunt deer with them, they corrected that mistake and also changed the .244 Remington's name to what it is now.

 

[CatskillCrawler]

Shoot, my cousins and a few other great friends love the Green Box 100 grain Rem CL's.. They do well in the woods. I took a few deer in NY with the 95 BT and 95 PT. They work really well. I not a huge 243 lover, but I do think it is about as nice a deer round as there is. I love the 95 BT and 95 PT's though. Both of them are some solid performers. Wouldn't even blink about putting one into one of our NY bears either. Chances are I won't ever do it as the 45-70 or 358 usually hunt when I am North!

I wouldn't choose it as my deer cartridge but two very close buds use the 243W regularly with 100gr NPs with nary a problem on the same. I think it's the perfect big game bullet for the 6mm tube. I was just using the aforementioned 120gr example to make a point that there isn't the ballistic performance demand that pronghorn and mule deer country place on the western 6mm hunter here in the east. But when all you're offered is a periscope view of a front quartering shot threw the laurel at 30 yds, I want to be able to take that shot and not worry about penetration.

I can see why a 105gr version would be better received. I'm not sure that case can handle too much more length but I don't have the experience that some of you do with this cartrdige.