Im New and looking for advice
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TackDriver284
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Triple Yes,,,when I purchased it, I had to learn it, once I got the hang of it, it got easier.
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Skeeter4890
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I've seen a lot of your other posts and seen how much you use it on other forums that's what initially made me think about it
gerry
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I have never been able to get the speed that Magnum should get in the 270 Win, 264 Win Mag or 6.5x55. Maybe the 280 AI might do better but based on that I would look at something else before Magnum.
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Skeeter4890
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Well that doesn't sound good, I still might try it but I definitely won't be thinking I'm going to get the performance it was saying I guess thanks!
gerry
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It had good accuracy but slow speed. In the 264 WM especially it should have excelled. Little Crow Gunworks on YouTube has done a lot of work with the 280AI you might wish to check out.
300WSM
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it is...but IMO I wouldn't purchase that in lieu of reloading manuals.
Hornady, Nosler, Lyman...
I would get those in their latest publications and then you're set for a long time.
Ramshot, Accurate, Hodgdon, Alliant ( reloader), Vhita Vhouri all can be had online for free. Including Nosler.
The books an the inTRAnet will keep you busy for awhile with the tips and warning signs in those books, plus they have a great deal of data published for many cartridges and in the case of Lyman they use many different bullets.
Hornady and Nosler use their own and only their own but I must tell ya...
I love Nosler but it's indisputable that during the covid era and perhaps still ongoing to some degree availability is rather poor.
Hornady was far and away the best company during that covid time when the speer, sierra, Nosler and Barnes shelves were pretty damn bare...the Hornady section still had a sea of red on the shelves and it wasn't because people weren't buying them. They hired more bodies and added a shift to get product on the shelf.
There are two reasons I would advise against getting quickload at this time. At a later date it's a great tool...but
Too much of this info can get your head spinning and have you chasing product from store to store in not time.
Worst of all you could be chasing your tail. Trying all these different loads without really experimenting with a couple before moving on.
We've all been there. See some exciting data, try a few loads, then come across another exciting load data..try that one and so on.
The other reason I would say wait on Quickload...
The manuals list load data with a range of a starting load and a maximum load. The max load they list is at an acceptable pressure. While you should never go straight into a max load as a starting point they do publish that load with a safe pressure.
Quickload can show loads over acceptable pressure limits and given that you are new to reloading at this point in time IMO just sticking with book published data showing max loads but with safe pressure would be a good idea.
When you get more experience in this hobby and get to know your weapon, high pressure signs if you experience them, all of that type of thing...
At that point I would say you're ready for QL. Until then keep it simple and safe.
Just know I'm excited for you and rooting for you. We need shooters in this industry and every time a new shooter starts to reload we all win. I'm looking forward to following your new to you hobby and adventure.
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300wsm that is a great post and solid advice. I have a friend who is new to shooting and reloading and was instantly attracted to chasing velocity and almost appeared to take it as a challenge to beat book max speeds. It scared the hell out of me for him. Reloading is a very serious business and should always be treated as such.
If I could add one thing to the above post, learn ballistics. When you understand ballistics and bullet performance you begin to realise whilst velocity is important, it is far from the only thing.
If I could add one thing to the above post, learn ballistics. When you understand ballistics and bullet performance you begin to realise whilst velocity is important, it is far from the only thing.
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Skeeter4890
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Yeah I have actually learned quite a bit about ballistics before even considering reloading, I was a firearm salesman at a local store and we had a guy who at the time did a lot of long range shooting and I learned a ton from him as well as from my own research!
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That's good to hear but hope you try and be very selective with things you hear. Bad habits even from the most experienced of loaders are still bad habits and often times dangerous.
Yes the velocity....
It's very easy to get over zealous with velocity.
Many times published velocity is never realized from "your platform"
Sometimes spot on but other times not so much.
Their lab environment is much more controlled than ours.
We are at the mercy of what the weather is outside, time of year and our specific platform which may or may not like a load combination printed from in a book or online.
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Skeeter4890
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Annealing or no annealing why and why not? Let me know
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Have you been able to load anything yet?
If not,
have you done any steps in the process like resizing? Measuring?
At this point IMO you need to just start loading some ammo.
You have enough info now to resize a once fired case, measure the case to be sure its within spec,
clean the primer pockets,
tumble or not
(sinply a personal preference)
prime the cases,
Drop a safe powder charge
Seat bullets
Go shooting.
Annealing? Nothing to worry about yet.
Get some loading experience first.
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Skeeter4890
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I was able to pick up some N565 and ramshot Magnum from the store so I have 3 powders to experiment with and work up a load! Happy Thanksgiving all!
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Skeeter4890
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If it's not too much trouble Dr Mike could you run me a quick load for me?
280 ai
24" 1-9 twist
Peterson brass
168gr AccuBond long range bullet
Federal gold medal match Magnum rifle primers
I'd be looking for Vihtavouri n565, Ramshot Magnum and also H4831SC if you get a chance I'd really appreciate it!
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DrMike
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Not too much trouble. But what bullets are you wanting to use?
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DrMike
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Code:
Cartridge : .280 Ack Imp
Bullet : .284, 168, Nosler Accubond LR 58623 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 63.519 grain H2O = 4.124 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.330 inch = 84.58 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H4831 SC *T
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-10.0 92 54.18 2592 2506 45604 10591 95.0 1.373
-09.0 93 54.78 2622 2564 47168 10716 95.4 1.352
-08.0 94 55.38 2651 2622 48788 10838 95.9 1.331
-07.0 95 55.99 2681 2681 50469 10956 96.3 1.310
-06.0 96 56.59 2710 2740 52211 11070 96.7 1.290
-05.0 97 57.19 2740 2800 54018 11180 97.1 1.270
-04.0 98 57.79 2769 2861 55892 11286 97.4 1.251 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 99 58.39 2799 2922 57828 11388 97.8 1.231 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 100 59.00 2828 2984 59829 11486 98.1 1.212 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 101 59.60 2858 3047 61902 11579 98.4 1.194 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 102 60.20 2887 3110 64053 11668 98.6 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 103 60.80 2917 3174 66285 11752 98.9 1.158 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 104 61.40 2946 3238 68602 11831 99.1 1.140 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 105 62.01 2976 3303 71008 11905 99.3 1.123 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 106 62.61 3005 3369 73509 11973 99.5 1.106 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 107 63.21 3035 3435 76108 12037 99.6 1.090 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 102 60.20 2956 3260 70144 11590 99.8 1.132 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 102 60.20 2807 2939 58002 11596 96.4 1.226 ! Near Maximum !DrMike
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Code:
Cartridge : .280 Ack Imp
Bullet : .284, 168, Nosler Accubond LR 58623 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 63.519 grain H2O = 4.124 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.330 inch = 84.58 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Ramshot Magnum
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-10.0 93 59.40 2606 2533 43137 11026 97.4 1.405
-09.0 94 60.06 2639 2598 44837 11135 97.9 1.379
-08.0 95 60.72 2672 2664 46611 11237 98.3 1.355
-07.0 96 61.38 2706 2731 48470 11333 98.6 1.330
-06.0 97 62.04 2739 2798 50415 11420 98.9 1.306
-05.0 98 62.70 2772 2867 52453 11500 99.2 1.282
-04.0 99 63.36 2806 2936 54591 11573 99.4 1.259
-03.0 100 64.02 2839 3006 56832 11637 99.6 1.237 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 101 64.68 2872 3077 59184 11692 99.8 1.214 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 102 65.34 2905 3149 61656 11739 99.9 1.192 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 103 66.00 2939 3221 64254 11777 100.0 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 105 66.66 2972 3294 66986 11806 100.0 1.149 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 106 67.32 3005 3368 69861 11828 100.0 1.128 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 107 67.98 3038 3443 72892 11848 100.0 1.108 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 108 68.64 3071 3518 76089 11867 100.0 1.088 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 109 69.30 3104 3593 79461 11883 100.0 1.068 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 103 66.00 3013 3385 72302 11469 100.0 1.119 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 103 66.00 2847 3024 56978 11950 98.8 1.230 ! Near Maximum !DrMike
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Code:
Cartridge : .280 Ack Imp
Bullet : .284, 168, Nosler Accubond LR 58623 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 63.519 grain H2O = 4.124 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.330 inch = 84.58 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Vihtavuori N565 *C*T
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-10.0 97 58.59 2636 2591 44356 11648 95.3 1.413
-09.0 99 59.24 2668 2655 45998 11784 95.8 1.389
-08.0 100 59.89 2700 2720 47704 11915 96.3 1.366
-07.0 101 60.54 2733 2786 49476 12040 96.7 1.342
-06.0 102 61.19 2765 2853 51319 12161 97.1 1.320
-05.0 103 61.85 2798 2920 53233 12276 97.5 1.298
-04.0 104 62.50 2830 2988 55225 12385 97.9 1.275
-03.0 105 63.15 2863 3057 57296 12488 98.2 1.254 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 106 63.80 2895 3127 59451 12585 98.6 1.233 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 107 64.45 2928 3197 61694 12675 98.8 1.212 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 108 65.10 2960 3269 64029 12759 99.1 1.192 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 109 65.75 2992 3340 66462 12836 99.3 1.172 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 110 66.40 3025 3413 68996 12906 99.5 1.152 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 111 67.05 3057 3486 71639 12969 99.7 1.133 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 113 67.70 3089 3560 74395 13025 99.8 1.114 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 114 68.36 3122 3635 77270 13073 99.9 1.096 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 108 65.10 3041 3449 71401 12580 100.0 1.139 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 108 65.10 2864 3060 56824 12735 96.9 1.254 ! Near Maximum !- Thread starter
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Skeeter4890
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Thanks @DrMike I really appreciate it!
