Is this true?

[boolit]

The real shame is that the shotgun was going to be used by his 12 year old son on his first deer hunt???????

You gots to be kiddin' me bra!!!!!

 

[boolit]

Just had that happen last week. A friend called me for help and I agreeded to meet him at his range.

First a M700 30-06 with an old Weaver K-4 scope which I had to mount, bore sight and zero at 100 yds. He was all over the paper.

Now the shotgun. Mossberg with a slug barrel shooting 3" Lightfield slugs. Scope was a cheap Bushnell tactical looking slug gun scope. He had already told me he couldn,t get it zero and his shoulder hurt for days. He had a gunshop bore sight it and he wanted me to shoot it. I told him go ahead and he said its ok since its been bore sighted. Well he ended up getting it on paper at 25 yds and called it good for 100 yds because the box showed the trajectory as 25 and 100 yd zeros.The real shame is that the shotgun was going to be used by his 12 year old son on his first deer hunt.

I just don't get it...

JD338

I know a guy from my range who goes by the trajectory on the box of ammo too... I told him you can't go by that.. he said "oh, what, remingtons wrong?" I said, yeah, they are. So I told him, lets set a target out at 300.... he said na....

He said,"if I'm on the paper, it's a dead deer".... "You only have to be in a 9 inch area"..... So I said the target is 12 inches... no response. I guess he doesn't glass very much, does he? So I said what if you see a nice buck beyond 100? He said, "First of all I have this cheap Stevens 200 and I can't shoot that good".. so I said I can get your rifle to shoot better than it shoots now... He said, "Ralph the Gun god.... Ok... whatever...

At least he stays in his zero....

 

[FOTIS]

My other favorite....

Guy is getting paper plate sized groups at 100 yards with a 270 Win.

"Good to 700 yards! No drop it is soooooo fast!"

What can you tell this guy now? :?: :?: :shock:

 

[DrMike]

Some people have no business having a hunting license.

 

[FOTIS]

Another dude in Sportsman's Warehouse in Loveland Colorado.

My buddy and I were looking at some Barnes TSX's for his 375 RUM.

Dude comes up and declares, "Make sure you do NOT push them too fast. If you do they will not have enough time in the animal to expand. So, slow speeds are the key.."

I never wanted to head butt somebody so bad in my entire life! :x

 

[boolit]

Sierra bullets, tech Carroll Pilant....

Light bullets at high velocities will expand faster than the same bullet at a lower velocity. The faster the expansion, the less penetration you get, possibly not making it to vital organs. (For whitetail.... I wrote this...)

Slower, heavy bullets will give deep penetration.

For long range use (300 yards and above), a boattail is a good choice. It carries better over the long ranges and offers less wind drift than a flat base bullet. It is designed to perform at the lower velocities of longer ranges.

For closer range (under 300 yards) a flat base bullet is a good choice. They will hold together better at the higher velocity of close range, giving deeper penetration than you would get with a boattail at the same velocity.

 

[FOTIS]

Sierra bullets, tech Carroll Pilant....

Light bullets at high velocities will expand faster than the same bullet at a lower velocity. The faster the expansion, the less penetration you get, possibly not making it to vital organs. (For whitetail.... I wrote this...)

Slower, heavy bullets will give deep penetration.

For long range use (300 yards and above), a boattail is a good choice. It carries better over the long ranges and offers less wind drift than a flat base bullet. It is designed to perform at the lower velocities of longer ranges.

For closer range (under 300 yards) a flat base bullet is a good choice. They will hold together better at the higher velocity of close range, giving deeper penetration than you would get with a boattail at the same velocity.

Correct but pending on bullet construction. Cup and core yes. Homogeneous metals no.

 

[boolit]

Homogeneous... gilded.

 

[FOTIS]

Homogeneous or monometal...... :wink:

 

[boolit]

So it's not copper jacket correct? It's harder than copper... that's why it willn't expand like cup and core copper jacket?

 

[DrMike]

Barnes TSX are copper. Nosler E-Tip is copper. Hornady GMX is gilding metal. The GMX, as the TSX, have skives cut into the metal to promote opening of the bullet on impact.

 

[FOTIS]

Theoretically the GMX and the Interlock loads should be interchangeable due to the gilding metal construction of the GMX.

From the information I gathered it is not. The GMX does indeed spike pressures.

 

[boolit]

Umm.. Pap.... you never answered the Q...

Interlocks are cup and core, not gilding...

 

[FOTIS]

Umm.. Pap.... you never answered the Q...

Interlocks are cup and core, not gilding...

GMX® (Gilding Metal eXpanding)

Features:

* Streamlined design for ultra-flat trajectories
* Devastating terminal performance across a wide range of velocities
* Gilding metal construction and double cannelures reduce fouling
*
Compatible with conventional reloading data
*
Lead-free and California compatible

The new Hornady GMX (Gilding Metal eXpanding) bullets and factory ammunition offer the hunter who favors an expanding monolithic bullet a better choice.

GMX bullets are constructed of the same gilding metal used to make ultra-consistent Hornady bullet jackets. Gilding metal doesn’t foul like “sticky” solid copper, and strategically located grooves in the bearing surface of the bullet reduce pressure. These additions make the GMX easy to load using standard published data for comparable Hornady SST bullets.

Hornady engineers designed the GMX bullet to perform across a very wide range of velocities - from +3,400 to 2,000 fps. And perform it does. GMX bullets are designed to expand to 1.5 times their original diameter and retain over 95% of their original weight. They’re no slouch in the penetration department either, routinely penetrating over 30" in gelatin tests.


By the way

(′gild·iŋ ′med·əl)

(metallurgy) A copper alloy (about 90% copper, 10% zinc) used to jacket small-arms bullets, to form detonator or primer cups, and to form rotating bands for artillery projectiles; it can be readily engraved by the lands as the projectile moves down the bore.


The Interlock (yes cup and core) is in fact gilding metal because it is a mix of zinc and copper.

It is NOT identical to the GMX in construction but both are gilding.

 

[boolit]

boolit wrote:
Sierra bullets, tech Carroll Pilant....

Light bullets at high velocities will expand faster than the same bullet at a lower velocity. The faster the expansion, the less penetration you get, possibly not making it to vital organs. (For whitetail.... I wrote this...)

Slower, heavy bullets will give deep penetration.

For long range use (300 yards and above), a boattail is a good choice. It carries better over the long ranges and offers less wind drift than a flat base bullet. It is designed to perform at the lower velocities of longer ranges.

For closer range (under 300 yards) a flat base bullet is a good choice. They will hold together better at the higher velocity of close range, giving deeper penetration than you would get with a boattail at the same velocity.



(Correct but pending on bullet construction. Cup and core yes. Homogeneous metals no.)
(I understand this)

I ain't concerned bout this coz I ain't gonna use this gilding bullet, unless of course they outlaw lead.


What is..Homogeneous or monometal...... :wink:


I think this is the original Q..... where are you going with this?

90% cooper, 10% zinc isn't MONOmetal.....

 

[FOTIS]

Ok. Homogeneous or monometal pertains to E-tips. GS Customs, Barnes X etc.

 

[Elkman]

I am homogenous or is that monogamous? Whatever!!!!!! It that a hunting term??

 

[boolit]

Sierra bullets, tech Carroll Pilant....

Light bullets at high velocities will expand faster than the same bullet at a lower velocity. The faster the expansion, the less penetration you get, possibly not making it to vital organs. (For whitetail.... I wrote this...)

Slower, heavy bullets will give deep penetration.

For long range use (300 yards and above), a boattail is a good choice. It carries better over the long ranges and offers less wind drift than a flat base bullet. It is designed to perform at the lower velocities of longer ranges.

For closer range (under 300 yards) a flat base bullet is a good choice. They will hold together better at the higher velocity of close range, giving deeper penetration than you would get with a boattail at the same velocity.

Correct but pending on bullet construction. Cup and core yes. Homogeneous metals no????????.

Pop wrote....

Correct but pending on bullet construction. Cup and core yes. Homogeneous metals no.

“This gilding metal is the same material we’ve used for years in Hornady bullet jackets,” explains Jeremy Millard, who headed the GMX project. (I'll give you this....)


BUT, will perform the same as traditional bullets..... gilding metal....

According to Millard, Hornady’s testing has shown the GMX bullet to expand and penetrate reliably at impact speeds ranging from less than 2,000 fps up to 3,400 fps

 

[FOTIS]

Sierra bullets, tech Carroll Pilant....

Light bullets at high velocities will expand faster than the same bullet at a lower velocity. The faster the expansion, the less penetration you get, possibly not making it to vital organs. (For whitetail.... I wrote this...)

Slower, heavy bullets will give deep penetration.

For long range use (300 yards and above), a boattail is a good choice. It carries better over the long ranges and offers less wind drift than a flat base bullet. It is designed to perform at the lower velocities of longer ranges.

For closer range (under 300 yards) a flat base bullet is a good choice. They will hold together better at the higher velocity of close range, giving deeper penetration than you would get with a boattail at the same velocity.

Correct but pending on bullet construction. Cup and core yes. Homogeneous metals no????????.

Pop wrote....

Correct but pending on bullet construction. Cup and core yes. Homogeneous metals no.

“This gilding metal is the same material we’ve used for years in Hornady bullet jackets,” explains Jeremy Millard, who headed the GMX project. (I'll give you this....)


BUT, will perform the same as traditional bullets..... gilding metal....

According to Millard, Hornady’s testing has shown the GMX bullet to expand and penetrate reliably at impact speeds ranging from less than 2,000 fps up to 3,400 fps

Boolit.

I am completely lost on what question you want answered. What exactly is it you need me to answer?

 

[boolit]

nothing.