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Thebear_78":32si60ui said:I don't doubt that placed right in the ribcage, even at long ranges, the berger could be very deadly. I just feel better with a higher chance of an exit.
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Guy Miner":39cr5xeu said:Frankly, after using them, I think it's the Berger VLD bullet. It is an instant killer in my experience. Only three mule deer, from the 115 gr .25 cal Berger, but not even a twitch after the bullet hit in two of the three. One severed the spine (shot from way above) and the buck needed a second shot into the lungs to finish him. They are devastatingly deadly bullets, usually breaking up in the vitals.
So, placed well, they produce instant, or near-instant death, even at long range.
But, that's just my thought. Others WILL disagree.
Regards, Guy
HTDUCK":3kcadbuj said:Scott that may have been the case in my circumstances.
I was running them at 3400 fps out of the muzzle.
Creedmore's son shot a 100 lb Tx whitetail with one out of his 25-06.
It's only got a 22 inch barrel, not a velocity champion in any sense.
115 Berger hit the deer quartering away behind onside shoulder 1/3 way up body.
Deer jumped into a cedar thicket and disappeared.
A couple drops of blood where deer was standing.
It was close to dark.
The deer went 75 yards or so, but the only reason they found him was his eyes glowing in a flashlight.
Insides were scrambled, liquified nearly.
Bullet was under the offside hide and the other shoulder was ruined.....
I'm with you Guy, my first big game rifle was a Remington 700 BDL 6mm Rem. I have shot many Deer & Antelope with it as well my Son shot his first Antelope with it. I would not hesitate to shoot a Deer out to 500-600 Yds with it. When I bought my Son a Rifle it was a 25-06, I would of bought him a 6mm Rem but Remington's 700 CDL does not come in 6mm Rem.Guy Miner":30uxiq66 said:I've maintained that for 40 years, since starting to hunt with a 6mm Remington. Time to time I do use the larger bores, even up to .375, .458 and a muzzle loader in .50 cal... But mostly it's been .24 and .25 cal rifles.
Quite the example here, elk at 688 yards, with a .243 Winchester! Nice shooting...
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DrMike":vf1d3t4x said:Homer,
Actually, elk can be quite hardy. Their bones are quite strong. I've seen elk travel some amazing distances after a shot that would have killed a moose. They can clear the county in very short time. Still, a hole through the lungs and/or heart is going to mean a dead animal, regardless of how hardy they may be.