Load Work for 338Win Mag

[Guest]

didn't know you need ALOT of blood on the ground to track a critter..
but on the other hand they ain't goin' far if ya plug em' right!! :wink:

 

[SJB358]

That's true, you don't need a lot of blood, but would rather have more blood just in case of rain or something else happening. They all do it, but I kinda like to overdue it. I only get so many chances to hunt, so I wanna max my chances. I like the 270 a lot. My favorite all around rifle, due to its great ranging ability. Scotty

 

[Antelope_Sniper]

Here's what I get at my altitude:

Manufacturer: Nosler Description: AccuBond™ Spitzer
Caliber: 0.338 in Weight: 200.0 gr
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.414 G1

Muzzle Velocity: 3047.0 ft/s Distance to Chronograph: 0.0 ft

Sight Height: 1.50 in Sight Offset: 0.00 in
Zero Height: 2.50 in Zero Offset: 0.00 in
Windage: 0.000 MOA Elevation: 0.000 MOA
Line Of Sight Angle: 0.0 deg Cant Angle: 0.0 deg

Wind Speed: 10.0 mph Wind Angle: 90.0 deg
Target Speed: 10.0 mph Target Angle: 90.0 deg

Temperature: 59.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
Humidity: 0.0 % Altitude: 5280.0 ft

Vital Zone Radius: 5.0 in

Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: Yes Pressure is Corrected: No
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No Target Relative Drops: Yes
Mark Sound Barrier Crossing: No Include Extra Rows: No
Round Output to Whole Numbers: No
Output Data
Elevation: 5.690 MOA Windage: 0.000 MOA

Atmospheric Density: 0.06534 lb/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1096.0 ft/s

Maximum PBR: 368 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 312 yd
Range of Maximum Height: 172 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 2454.9 ft•lbs

Sectional Density: 0.250 lb/in²
Calculated Table
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yd) (MOA) (in) (MOA) (in) (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (MOA) (in)
0 *** -1.5 *** 0.0 3047.0 2.780 4122.3 0.000 *** 0.0
50 1.9 1.0 0.3 0.1 2945.5 2.687 3852.3 0.050 16.8 8.8
100 2.4 2.5 0.6 0.6 2846.5 2.597 3597.5 0.102 17.1 17.9
150 1.9 2.9 0.9 1.4 2749.7 2.509 3357.0 0.155 17.4 27.4
200 1.1 2.2 1.2 2.5 2655.0 2.422 3129.9 0.211 17.7 37.1
250 0.1 0.2 1.5 3.9 2562.4 2.338 2915.4 0.269 18.1 47.3
300 -1.0 -3.0 1.8 5.8 2471.7 2.255 2712.7 0.328 18.4 57.7
350 -2.1 -7.7 2.2 8.0 2382.9 2.174 2521.2 0.390 18.7 68.6
400 -3.3 -14.0 2.5 10.6 2295.9 2.095 2340.4 0.454 19.1 79.9
450 -4.6 -21.8 2.9 13.7 2210.7 2.017 2169.9 0.521 19.4 91.6
500 -6.0 -31.5 3.3 17.2 2127.2 1.941 2009.1 0.590 19.8 103.8
550 -7.5 -43.1 3.7 21.2 2045.5 1.866 1857.8 0.662 20.2 116.5
600 -9.0 -56.8 4.1 25.7 1965.6 1.793 1715.6 0.737 20.6 129.6
650 -10.7 -72.7 4.5 30.7 1887.7 1.722 1582.2 0.814 21.1 143.3
700 -12.4 -91.0 5.0 36.3 1811.7 1.653 1457.4 0.896 21.5 157.6
750 -14.3 -112.0 5.4 42.5 1737.9 1.586 1341.0 0.980 22.0 172.5
800 -16.2 -135.9 5.9 49.4 1666.2 1.520 1232.7 1.068 22.4 188.0
850 -18.3 -162.9 6.4 56.9 1597.0 1.457 1132.4 1.160 22.9 204.2
900 -20.5 -193.3 6.9 65.1 1530.2 1.396 1039.7 1.256 23.5 221.1
950 -22.9 -227.4 7.4 74.1 1466.3 1.338 954.6 1.356 24.0 238.7
1000 -25.4 -265.6 8.0 83.8 1405.2 1.282 876.8 1.461 24.6 257.1



270 Win

Trajectory
Input Data
Manufacturer: Nosler Description: Partition™ Spitzer
Caliber: 0.277 in Weight: 150.0 gr
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.465 G1

Muzzle Velocity: 2900.0 ft/s Distance to Chronograph: 0.0 ft

Sight Height: 1.50 in Sight Offset: 0.00 in
Zero Height: 2.50 in Zero Offset: 0.00 in
Windage: 0.000 MOA Elevation: 0.000 MOA
Line Of Sight Angle: 0.0 deg Cant Angle: 0.0 deg

Wind Speed: 10.0 mph Wind Angle: 90.0 deg
Target Speed: 10.0 mph Target Angle: 90.0 deg

Temperature: 59.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
Humidity: 0.0 % Altitude: 5280.0 ft

Vital Zone Radius: 5.0 in

Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: Yes Pressure is Corrected: No
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No Target Relative Drops: Yes
Mark Sound Barrier Crossing: No Include Extra Rows: No
Round Output to Whole Numbers: No
Output Data
Elevation: 5.875 MOA Windage: 0.000 MOA

Atmospheric Density: 0.06534 lb/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1096.0 ft/s

Maximum PBR: 356 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 301 yd
Range of Maximum Height: 166 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 1782.4 ft•lbs

Sectional Density: 0.279 lb/in²
Calculated Table
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yd) (MOA) (in) (MOA) (in) (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (MOA) (in)
0 *** -1.5 *** 0.0 2900.0 2.646 2800.6 0.000 *** 0.0
50 2.0 1.0 0.3 0.1 2812.6 2.566 2634.4 0.053 17.7 9.2
100 2.4 2.5 0.5 0.6 2727.0 2.488 2476.5 0.107 17.9 18.8
150 1.8 2.8 0.8 1.3 2643.1 2.412 2326.4 0.163 18.2 28.6
200 0.9 1.8 1.1 2.3 2560.8 2.336 2183.7 0.220 18.5 38.8
250 -0.2 -0.5 1.4 3.7 2480.0 2.263 2048.1 0.280 18.8 49.2
300 -1.3 -4.2 1.7 5.4 2400.6 2.190 1919.2 0.341 19.1 60.1
350 -2.6 -9.4 2.0 7.5 2322.8 2.119 1796.7 0.405 19.4 71.2
400 -3.9 -16.2 2.4 10.0 2246.3 2.050 1680.3 0.470 19.8 82.8
450 -5.2 -24.7 2.7 12.8 2171.2 1.981 1569.9 0.538 20.1 94.7
500 -6.7 -35.1 3.1 16.1 2097.6 1.914 1465.2 0.609 20.5 107.1
550 -8.2 -47.5 3.4 19.8 2025.3 1.848 1366.0 0.681 20.8 119.9
600 -9.9 -62.0 3.8 24.0 1954.6 1.783 1272.2 0.757 21.2 133.2
650 -11.6 -78.7 4.2 28.6 1885.3 1.720 1183.7 0.835 21.6 146.9
700 -13.4 -97.9 4.6 33.8 1817.7 1.658 1100.2 0.916 22.0 161.2
750 -15.2 -119.7 5.0 39.5 1751.6 1.598 1021.8 1.000 22.4 176.0
800 -17.2 -144.4 5.5 45.7 1687.4 1.540 948.2 1.087 22.8 191.4
850 -19.3 -172.1 5.9 52.6 1624.9 1.483 879.3 1.178 23.3 207.3
900 -21.6 -203.1 6.4 60.0 1564.5 1.427 815.1 1.272 23.8 223.9
950 -23.9 -237.7 6.8 68.1 1506.1 1.374 755.4 1.370 24.2 241.1
1000 -26.4 -276.1 7.3 76.9 1450.0 1.323 700.1 1.471 24.7 258.9



At 500 yards, the .338 has the same energy as the .270 at 250 yards. At 500 yards, it has 37% more energy then then .270 Win, and that's being nice to the .270. With a load almost identical to bullets in my .338, , I'm getting 3150fps out of my 26" bbl on a cold day. I've broke 3200 on a warm day.

With my .338, I have as much energy at 325 yards, as the .270 Winchester has at the muzzle. I have the same energy at 500 yards that my .270 has at 200 yards. In addition, having witnessed both on Elk, the .338 is a much better elk killer.

 

[FOTIS]

I can't stand it!!!!!!!!!!!! I just can't figure out why I can't get the 210gr Partitions to shoot. So I went back to and old combination:

210gr Par
Rem brass
Rem 9 1/2M primers
74.5grs of IMR4350
COL 3.303"

210gr Par
Rem Brass
Rem 9 1/2M primers
73.5 of H4350
COL 3.303"

Got to give it one more try tomorrow morning just to see. I think this is an addiction, what do you all think :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That is the bullet I want. The 210. I have imr and H 4350 and some RL 19.

 

[Guest]

338 win mag

Muzzle - 4123
300yds - 2544
400yds - 2144
500yds - 1793


270 winchester

1285 at 500 yards.... 150 grain Partition

Not much difference... :wink:

So these numbers mean nothing to you? I didn't know you're trying to stop a freight train. :lol: So what is foot pounds? Over a 1000 foot pounds.. is what? A 1000 pound weight thrown at it?

 

[FOTIS]

Huge difference my friend. #"s mean very little in real life. .338 vs .277 ? No contest. Both will kill but the 338 has the edge!

 

[Guest]

Huge difference my friend. #"s mean very little in real life. .338 vs .277 ? No contest. Both will kill but the 338 has the edge!

Both will kill.. you said it... 338 has the edge.. and you feild dress with a knife with two edges? One isn't enough? Edge to do what? Blow up the insides?... for what reason? Your right no contest. Marketing got the best of you all, along with overkill. But hey.. to each thier own.

Has Jack O'Conner talked about loosing game because of the 270?

 

[jmad_81]

Some people will never come around to the "big" way of doing things :roll: Just cause a smaller bullet will do it doesn't mean we can't have fun using a bigger one! Some times a bigger bullet will do a better job, good to have one when you really need it.

 

[bullet]

Longranger there isn't enough time or space to explain what is wrong and convoluted about your comparison. No such thing as over kill but there is under kill and the 270 is king of that when it comes to taking the big stuff and God for bid if you have to stop something up close, but of course you have more than likely never been there either.

As you said to each their own and if you fail to see the difference it is because you choose not to or you don't actually have the field experience to know the difference or both. Either way you are wrong and don't know what you are talking about.

 

[JD338]

There is no replacement for displacement. The 338 cal has a larger frontal area and it hits hard.

JD338

 

[Antelope_Sniper]

Joisy. I own both. I've killed elk with both. No marketing Hype here.

I shoot both, the .227 150gr Partition, and the.338 225gr AB right at 3000 fps.

The 150gr Partition has a BC of .465
The 225gr AB has a BC of .550

So help me understand how shooting a bullet 50% heavier, with a better balistic coefficent, and a 48% greater surface area, at the same velocity, is not a significant improvement?

 

[remingtonman_25_06]

Or compare it to say a 338" 300g SMK going 2850fps.

 

[Guest]

Joisy. I own both. I've killed elk with both. No marketing Hype here.

I shoot both, the .227 150gr Partition, and the.338 225gr AB right at 3000 fps.

The 150gr Partition has a BC of .465
The 225gr AB has a BC of .550

So help me understand how shooting a bullet 50% heavier, with a better balistic coefficent, and a 48% greater surface area, at the same velocity, is not a significant improvement?

that my point.... there's no need for improvement.

 

[FOTIS]

Huge difference my friend. #"s mean very little in real life. .338 vs .277 ? No contest. Both will kill but the 338 has the edge!

Both will kill.. you said it... 338 has the edge.. and you feild dress with a knife with two edges? One isn't enough? Edge to do what? Blow up the insides?... for what reason? Your right no contest. Marketing got the best of you all, along with overkill. But hey.. to each thier own.

Has Jack O'Conner talked about loosing game because of the 270?

Ever harvest and field dressed a 950 lbs 7x7 bull elk? If you have sir then you understand the need for an edge in power, and an double edged knife. Believe me! 8)

 

[Guest]

Huge difference my friend. #"s mean very little in real life. .338 vs .277 ? No contest. Both will kill but the 338 has the edge!

Both will kill.. you said it... 338 has the edge.. and you feild dress with a knife with two edges? One isn't enough? Edge to do what? Blow up the insides?... for what reason? Your right no contest. Marketing got the best of you all, along with overkill. But hey.. to each thier own.

Has Jack O'Conner talked about loosing game because of the 270?

Ever harvest and field dressed a 950 lbs 7x7 bull elk? If you have sir then you understand the need for an edge in power, and an double edged knife. Believe me! 8)

Sorry I don't believe you, not when countless people harvested elk with the 270 and the 06. You even admitted that they BOTH kill. I don't plan on beating a dead horse.

 

[FOTIS]

No not at all. Both will kill, dead is dead.

HOWEVER......a little extra insurance on your side is a good thing. If you do not understand this I do have examples so you can see what I mean. :wink:

 

[Guest]

No not at all. Both will kill, dead is dead.

HOWEVER......a little extra insurance on your side is a good thing. If you do not understand this I do have examples so you can see what I mean. :wink:

Show me your examples.

 

[FOTIS]

I have 3 of them. I will give you the most recent. Buddy shot a 5x5 bull elk here in Wyoming on public land where the "Orange Army" reigns. Great shot in the vitals with a 30-06 and 180 gr bullet. Standard Remington ammo, well withing the parameters of killing a bull elk at less than 150 yards. Bull ran over the hill, just 30 yards, where a couple of members of the Super Ethical Orange Army got to it first and put a bullet in it's head before my buddy can run to it in the heavy snow and tag it. Their bull.... they put the finisher in his head though I suspect that that the bull had already given up the ghost due to the double lung shot. The 180 Rem core loct was a through and through. My buddy was alone, they took the elk!
Had is been a 338 or my 378 WBY (at the time) the bull would have probably dropped at the site...as mine did for me that year.

So my friend it is not always the #'s that determine whether you can take your trophy home, even though you use enough gun.

Hence my idea of an "edge". Not applicable to all situations but definitely to this one. Now imagine that was you and traveled all the way from the George Washington bridge (I grew up there) to here and that occurred to you!

You agree?

 

[Guest]

I have 3 of them. I will give you the most recent. Buddy shot a 5x5 bull elk here in Wyoming on public land where the "Orange Army" reigns. Great shot in the vitals with a 30-06 and 180 gr bullet. Standard Remington ammo, well withing the parameters of killing a bull elk at less than 150 yards. Bull ran over the hill, just 30 yards, where a couple of members of the Super Ethical Orange Army got to it first and put a bullet in it's head before my buddy can run to it in the heavy snow and tag it. Their bull.... they put the finisher in his head though I suspect that that the bull had already given up the ghost due to the double lung shot. The 180 Rem core loct was a through and through. My buddy was alone, they took the elk!
Had is been a 338 or my 378 WBY (at the time) the bull would have probably dropped at the site...as mine did for me that year.
So my friend it is not always the #'s that determine whether you can take your trophy home, even though you use enough gun.

Hence my idea of an "edge". Not applicable to all situations but definitely to this one. Now imagine that was you and traveled all the way from the George Washington bridge (I grew up there) to here and that occurred to you!

You agree?

what about a neck shot or a spine shot, that would put it down on the spot. :wink: #1- Where I hunt I don't have to worry about an "Orange Army" stealing my quarry and #2 as I mentioned above spine or neck shots do alot of justice, #3 why would I spend more money than nessesary on Gun, ammo... ie.. bullets, brass, powder.. I know without
checking prices it's more than I'm willing to spend. :wink: You can do alot
with the tool you have if You know how to use it.

I really don't see in the future traveling to your lustrious western frontier
to hunt... due to this economy NEVER getting better, and continuing to get worse, and this country going down the tubes because of greed. I guess I should be fortunate and greatful to hunt where I do and not have to worry about my game being stolen, due to the fact I hunt on private land.

Got another example?

 

[JD338]

I shot a 5 pt bull elk at 350 yds with my 338 RUM and dropped him where he stood. I have also shot a black bear, 2 Mule deer and 2 White tail deer with my 338 RUM and they all dropped in their tracks dead with no tracking or second shot required.
The 338 cal hits very hard and kills very fast with proper bullet placement.

JD338