Load Work for 338Win Mag

[big rifle man]

longranger, ignoring your sarcasm I can tell you that in a number of Jack O'conner's stories he made mention of the need for a heavier caliber for cetain game and occasions. He pushed the 270 for his own and also for manufacturers reasons. Yes, the 270's a good caliber withing its parameters but there are far better for larger game. As time goes on and your experience builds you will find out what the other writers on this subject are talking about. I'm sure these comments will go in one ear and out the other but keep them aside for future contemplation.

 

[Guest]

I just can't see DRT cartridge verses a 50 yard trail cartridge. What's the big deal? Besides POP's example, I'm not concerned about a DRT critter.

And if I'm presented with an awkward shot, I rather trail it a little ways, rather than blow out a good portion of meat. Maybe with an oppritunity of a trophy hunt I'll change my mind? :wink: Maybe I don't have the "Trophy" mantality, being taught about not wasting meat.

 

[DrMike]

Bullets with a larger frontal area tend to destroy far less meat than many of the smaller bullets travelling at greater velocity.

 

[Guest]

3000 FPS I see with both cartridges.... But with heavier bullets you have more FT/LBS. So the larger diameter bullets tend to,with more energy, not
rapidly expand, unlike it's counter parts? So if well placed, even if not well placed, will penetrate, without maximum expansion, until in the right spot to expand with the correct amount of enrgy?

 

[bullet]

Time to put this thread to sleep.

 

[Guest]

Thats what I thought

 

[Antelope_Sniper]

Joisy, based on you comments, it's very obvious to me that YOU HAVE NEVER SHOT AN ELK. YOU HAVE NEVER HUNTED OUT WEST, AND YOU HAVE NEVER HUNTED ON PUBLIC LAND.

In other words, YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO EXPERIENCE WITH ANYTHING WE ARE DISCUSSING IN THIS THREAD.

Why don't we just use neck shots?
Because out west on public land, the elk don't just stand there and pose. Your typical shot is at a portion of an elk, at distance, moving through timber. During 10 days of hunting, you will probably get one shot like that.

Yes, I've killed elk with both. But there is no comparison between how a .270 Winchester and a .338 Win Mag kill elk. In my opinion, the .270 Win in the MINIMUM elk cartridge. The .338 win mag is the OPTIMUM elk cartridge. My first bull elk absorbed 6 rounds of .270 and 30.06 before he decided to give up the ghost. The year before we tracked a bull elk for a mile and half after a single lungshot from a 30.06. he was coughing up blood so we had a good blood trail, but it still wasn't fun. I'm very confident a .338 200 grain AB in the same location would of put that bull down. It would of been a much bigger longer hole, bigger around and longer, damaging 2-3 times as much tissue.

Shot toward the rear of the vitals with a 7mm Mag. Chased it for over 2 miles, close to 3 before we got her. The following year dad hit a cow with an almost identical shoot. Only difference is he was shooting a .338 Win Mag with a 200gr BT. 300 yards in a snow storm. DRT. With a lesser gun, such as my .270 Winchester, we would of had a very unplesant night.

So, Joisy, when you've field dressed and cut up 30-40 elk like I have, and examined the carcase to see what really happens after the bullet impact, I might be more inclined to listen to your Western Elk Hunting Theories.

All that aside, Joisy, I thing the real issue here is that you just don't under stand the spirit of the Nosler Forum. THIS IS NOT 24 HOUR CAMP FLAMERS. This is Nosler. Nosler is the gold standard for bullets, this is the gold standard for Forums. Here, even us Western Cowboys and act like Southern Gentleman. Our goal is to help our memeber with their problems, and encourage them to be engaged in our sport. When you encourage people in a positive manner, provide real solution to their problems, and help them become better shooters, the Sport Wins.

Now when you asked for help, improving your 1" groups at 300 yards out of .243 Win. I didn't respond with "Who cares what kind of group you can shoot at 300 yards with a .243 Winchester. At that range the .243 is worthless for shooting anything other then coyotes and oversized Jack Rabbits." That might of been a good response on 24 Hour Camp Flamers, but this is Nosler. So instead, I took over an hour of my personal time to write a two page disertation of the various levels of accuracy, and what it takes to reach the next level, because that's the way we do it here on the Nosler forum.

 

[Guest]

My first bull elk absorbed 6 rounds of .270 and 30.06 before he decided to give up the ghost.

Sounds like to me, boy, you can't shoot... And need a canon to do the work for you. Spend more time at the range and improve your shooting skills.

 

[SJB358]

Big Squeeze, That is a great load, from a very handy rifle. Seems like you are set with that. I would never part with that load or rifle. Scotty

I have shot elk with the 270WSM, 35 Whelen and 300 Win Mag, I would rather have my elk fall where they stand, just for the reasons of an elk that is wounded will usually run down to the bottom of the steepest nastiest area and die, I would rather keep them as high as I can, just so it is less footsteps I need to pack them. Scotty

 

[FOTIS]

I have 3 of them. I will give you the most recent. Buddy shot a 5x5 bull elk here in Wyoming on public land where the "Orange Army" reigns. Great shot in the vitals with a 30-06 and 180 gr bullet. Standard Remington ammo, well withing the parameters of killing a bull elk at less than 150 yards. Bull ran over the hill, just 30 yards, where a couple of members of the Super Ethical Orange Army got to it first and put a bullet in it's head before my buddy can run to it in the heavy snow and tag it. Their bull.... they put the finisher in his head though I suspect that that the bull had already given up the ghost due to the double lung shot. The 180 Rem core loct was a through and through. My buddy was alone, they took the elk!
Had is been a 338 or my 378 WBY (at the time) the bull would have probably dropped at the site...as mine did for me that year.
So my friend it is not always the #'s that determine whether you can take your trophy home, even though you use enough gun.

Hence my idea of an "edge". Not applicable to all situations but definitely to this one. Now imagine that was you and traveled all the way from the George Washington bridge (I grew up there) to here and that occurred to you!

You agree?

what about a neck shot or a spine shot, that would put it down on the spot. :wink: #1- Where I hunt I don't have to worry about an "Orange Army" stealing my quarry and #2 as I mentioned above spine or neck shots do alot of justice, #3 why would I spend more money than nessesary on Gun, ammo... ie.. bullets, brass, powder.. I know without
checking prices it's more than I'm willing to spend. :wink: You can do alot
with the tool you have if You know how to use it.

I really don't see in the future traveling to your lustrious western frontier
to hunt... due to this economy NEVER getting better, and continuing to get worse, and this country going down the tubes because of greed. I guess I should be fortunate and greatful to hunt where I do and not have to worry about my game being stolen, due to the fact I hunt on private land.

Got another example?

What you fail to realize my friend is that all of this is a personal choice.
1. We do not hunt where you do.
2. I am not trying to convince you nor to convert you.
3. I do not do neck or spine shots personally so your system of shooting at game is inapplicable to me.
4. All o the aforementioned is a personal choice, nothing more.

See here. Did I need the "edge" here? Heck no but it was my personal choice to use it.

http://noslerreloading.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2691

 

[Guest]

So you get off on this cal more than anything.

 

[Antelope_Sniper]

What part of "The don't just stand there and pose for you." Did you fail to comprehend? 200 yards, off hand, on a moving target. Did you shoot those great groups at 300 yards off-hand, or off a bench?

Again, you've never killed an Elk. You've never had to track and elk. You have never hunted west of the Mississippi.

You will notice I don't tell people how to hunt from a tree stand, and I don't tell people how to hunt Cape Buffalo. Why? Because I've never done neither. If and when I get to go to Africa, I'm going to go back and read all the posts by Hunter Jim. He's been to Africa and killed several Cape Buffalo, and I haven't.

 

[FOTIS]

So you get off on this cal more than anything.

Sometimes yes. I have used a 378 WBY on elk. This year I hunted elk with a 458 Lott. I have killed elk with a 7mm rem mag.
I use everything on everything.

Like I said before. One man's trash is another man's treasure.

 

[Guest]

What part of "The don't just stand there and pose for you." Did you fail to comprehend? 200 yards, off hand, on a moving target. Did you shoot those great groups at 300 yards off-hand, or off a bench?

Again, you've never killed an Elk. You've never had to track and elk. You have never hunted west of the Mississippi.

You will notice I don't tell people how to hunt from a tree stand, and I don't tell people how to hunt Cape Buffalo. Why? Because I've never done neither. If and when I get to go to Africa, I'm going to go back and read all the posts by Hunter Jim. He's been to Africa and killed several Cape Buffalo, and I haven't.

I'll put it a little more delicately... practice more off hand.

 

[Big Squeeze]

Well boys!........At the very least, we know that the 270 does work very effectively on moose at 40 yards!!!... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Watch this 50 second video at.......rifleshootermag.com...then on the front page, scroll down and click... "view all".... in the video section. Then click onto.... "Ammo:Rifles".... towards the upper right corner.

Scroll to find the video called...."30-06 or 270--Which is best?" with Scott Rupp and play.

The 270 is an excellent cartridge within its parameters, but it is not quite a 338 Win Mag in the energy dept.

Where is Obama`s "energy zcar" when you need him!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[bullet]

longranger, I don't have anything against you but I do not appreciate how you hijacked this thread with your incessant debating. I have had to start another one just to allow people to see my finished work because they don't want to wade through this morass of incoherent information.

So please what ever you do do not mess up the one I just started. Please keep it about load data for the 338Win Mag. Thank you, bullet

 

[Guest]

Where is Obama`s "energy zcar" when you need him!!!
Prolly in bed with your lovely Palosie in your wonderful state of KAL...
with Your buddy Arnold.

 

[Guest]

longranger, I don't have anything against you but I do not appreciate how you hijacked this thread with your incessant debating. I have had to start another one just to allow people to see my finished work because they don't want to wade through this morass of incoherent information.

So please what ever you do do not mess up the one I just started. Please keep it about load data for the 338Win Mag. Thank you, bullet

YES SIR.... :lol:

 

[Big Squeeze]

Where is Obama`s "energy zcar" when you need him!!!
Prolly in bed with your lovely Palosie in your wonderful state of KAL...
with Your buddy Arnold.

.............My lovely Pelosi??? My buddy Arnold???? Now thems is duelin words!!!..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I can`t stand either! There aren`t enough broomsticks in existence for that woman!!!

There doooooooo happen to be a few of us "conservatives" out here in Kaaaa-leeee-forn-yaaaa!

 

[Guest]

You mean Kal la Porn ya.