low velocities from 100gr 25-06.

[mcseal2]

I have been working on some handloads for my 25-06. I burned out the barrel in my Dad's old 670 Winchester 243. The 670 is pretty much a lower end push feed 70 that used a long action for everything. Anyway after burning out the barrel I decided to fix up the old rifle and had it re-built with a Montana 24" 25-06 barrel and Bell & Carlson Alaskan stock. It had been shot so much it needed a new firing pin spring also, but is now back shooting better than ever. Dad, me, and my wife all took our first deer with that rifle.

I tried a few factory loads through the rifle in different weights. Almost all of it over 90gr shot under 1.5". The 100gr to 110gr stuff seemed to be the best. The barrel is not a fan of any of the lighter bullets I tried in factory or handloaded ammo.

I got decent accuracy but not the velocity I hoped for out of factory ammo:
Factory 100gr Nosler E tips averaged 3019fps
Factoy Barnes 100gr TTSX averages 3007fps
Factory Federal 100gr Ballistic tips averaged 3080fps
Factory Hornady Precision Hunter 110gr ELD-X ammo averaged 3050fps.

I loaded up a few different bullets with RL 22 over the last few days. The most accurate load so far has been 55.5gr of RL 22 with a 100gr Sierra Gameking. I was hoping it would be a little faster since it was hitting a little over an inch higher than the E tip load, but the chronograph shows it at 3028fps. SD is very low on this load, but I really want to find some more velocity. It isn't showing pressure on the cases. Some books I have list that as max, one older book shows up to 58gr.

The best load I found previously was a 100gr Swift Sirocco 2 at 3187fps with 54.5gr of H4831SC. That load shot under 1".

Anyone using a powder that pushes the 100gr bullets faster than these two? I'd like to see 3250fps or better from the 100gr bullets. It seems like a lot of people are getting more speed from a 115 or 117gr bullet than I am from the 100gr. Thanks.

 

[mcseal2]

Just got back in from trying the 117gr Sierra Gameking over 51 and 52gr of RL 22. That was a mild load from some books, nearer to max from the Sierra book. 3 shots over the chronograph with the hotter load averaged 2772fps with an SD of 20.3. The 3 I shot without the Magnetospeed attached to the barrel grouped really well, the rifle seems to like Sierra bullets, but that's really slow.

What should I try next? Different powder?

I tried the 90gr Sierra Gamechanger through my 243 with IMR 4350. Those averaged 3136fps and Factory Federal 90gr Accubonds averaged 3119fps so I think the chronograph is working right. I'm going to keep working on that 90gr load for the 243, a .490BC at over 3100fps shows promise.

 

[jimbires]

this 117gr sierra load looks very mild according to quickload .you should be working up towards 58 gr of RL22 .

here is a powder list that would show max loads .



Cartridge : .25-06 Rem.
Bullet : .257, 117, Sierra SPBT 1630
Useable Case Capaci: 61.602 grain H2O = 4.000 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.250 inch = 82.55 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 65267 psi, or 450 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-26 98.3 60.0 3.89 3259 100.0 65267 13596 1.122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N560 101.3 58.8 3.81 3248 99.0 65267 14266 1.108 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 517 104.0 63.0 4.08 3247 99.6 65267 13948 1.103 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma MRP 99.5 58.9 3.82 3246 100.0 65267 13795 1.115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 12 103.8 62.9 4.08 3246 99.6 65267 13921 1.103 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 70 96.6 58.4 3.79 3242 100.0 65267 13383 1.099 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 7828 SSC 100.1 58.4 3.79 3240 99.3 65267 13826 1.097 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate MAGPRO 101.5 61.3 3.97 3236 98.0 65267 14351 1.116 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2213 101.2 58.1 3.77 3227 99.2 65267 13709 1.095 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA15 101.6 58.3 3.78 3221 99.8 65267 13670 1.114 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-22 101.6 58.3 3.78 3221 99.8 65267 13670 1.114 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 101.6 58.3 3.78 3221 99.8 65267 13670 1.114 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AP 2214 105.0 61.9 4.01 3220 99.5 65267 13487 1.094 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP15 104.3 58.6 3.80 3220 99.7 65267 13688 1.114 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester WXR 104.3 58.6 3.80 3220 99.7 65267 13688 1.114 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 7828 105.0 57.9 3.75 3213 99.1 63428 13756 1.112 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60 90.3 53.8 3.49 3204 100.0 65267 12327 1.107 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Magnum 101.2 62.6 4.06 3197 100.0 65267 12994 1.110 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R905 102.9 58.0 3.76 3192 98.9 65267 13413 1.112 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 104.9 60.7 3.93 3191 97.8 65267 13551 1.098 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2209 98.2 55.5 3.59 3186 99.7 65267 13022 1.100 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-17 89.4 53.3 3.45 3183 100.0 65267 12250 1.113 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Elcho 17 89.4 53.3 3.45 3183 100.0 65267 12250 1.113 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-19 98.7 56.1 3.63 3182 99.7 65267 13081 1.108 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-23 103.9 57.7 3.74 3175 100.0 65267 12287 1.123 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-25 105.0 59.3 3.84 3175 100.0 60234 13139 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 99.5 56.5 3.66 3175 99.7 65267 12986 1.108 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 518 95.0 55.7 3.61 3174 100.0 65267 12683 1.114 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H414 89.2 53.5 3.47 3174 100.0 65267 12680 1.114 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 760 89.2 53.5 3.47 3174 100.0 65267 12680 1.114 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 511 91.3 55.2 3.58 3171 100.0 65267 12594 1.115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Hunter 94.3 55.3 3.58 3170 100.0 65267 12576 1.115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-16 95.8 53.0 3.43 3166 100.0 65267 12109 1.120 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 62 92.7 55.2 3.58 3165 100.0 65267 12337 1.128 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 204 93.8 55.0 3.56 3161 99.6 65267 12780 1.107 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 96.8 55.0 3.56 3161 99.6 65267 12780 1.107 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA4 96.8 55.0 3.56 3161 99.6 65267 12780 1.107 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4831 SC 99.9 57.4 3.72 3159 98.7 65267 12960 1.105 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4831 104.0 57.4 3.72 3159 98.7 65267 12960 1.105 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N550 91.3 53.0 3.43 3148 100.0 65267 12217 1.123 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma URP 93.9 52.8 3.42 3148 100.0 65267 12076 1.119 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 94.0 52.8 3.42 3148 100.0 65267 12072 1.119 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S365 95.6 54.0 3.50 3143 100.0 65267 11700 1.128 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4350 93.0 52.8 3.42 3141 100.0 65267 12029 1.137 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S385 98.9 56.7 3.68 3140 99.9 65267 12460 1.127 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R904 97.8 54.7 3.55 3135 99.2 65267 12522 1.107 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 94.5 54.5 3.53 3133 100.0 65267 12261 1.119 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester Supreme 780 97.3 58.3 3.78 3131 99.7 65267 12414 1.114 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4955 Enduron 101.4 56.0 3.63 3127 98.8 65267 12580 1.106 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4831 98.5 53.6 3.47 3127 100.0 65267 11809 1.128 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N165 104.0 58.4 3.79 3124 99.9 65267 12174 1.119 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S070 93.9 52.8 3.42 3120 100.0 65267 12065 1.124 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 3100 101.7 57.8 3.74 3120 100.0 65267 12032 1.143 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N160 104.3 56.8 3.68 3115 99.1 65267 12275 1.111 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H380 87.1 50.5 3.27 3112 100.0 65267 11710 1.122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N570 105.0 62.9 4.07 3108 93.7 53655 14882 1.210
Rottweil R907 92.0 51.3 3.32 3106 99.9 65267 11949 1.115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP7 92.0 51.3 3.32 3106 99.9 65267 11949 1.115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4007 SSC 89.1 51.3 3.33 3106 99.9 65267 11941 1.115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma MRP 2 105.0 59.6 3.86 3101 98.5 55829 13841 1.201 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP30 105.0 59.6 3.86 3101 98.5 55829 13841 1.201 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 96.4 52.9 3.43 3099 100.0 65267 11159 1.121 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S361 96.7 58.5 3.79 3099 98.7 65267 12259 1.119 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S065 93.0 51.7 3.35 3096 100.0 65267 11607 1.122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203 old 87.2 50.0 3.24 3090 100.0 65267 11274 1.136 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP3 87.2 50.0 3.24 3090 100.0 65267 11274 1.136 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 7 82.4 50.2 3.25 3088 100.0 65267 11342 1.123 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R903 89.2 50.1 3.24 3086 100.0 65267 11189 1.135 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S355 89.5 49.7 3.22 3085 100.0 65267 11216 1.127 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2520 80.8 48.4 3.14 3051 100.0 65267 10645 1.138 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.6 82.7 48.4 3.14 3051 100.0 65267 10645 1.138 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S071 105.0 56.4 3.65 3047 100.0 60037 11930 1.188 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7977 Enduron 105.0 59.0 3.82 3041 92.5 63745 12110 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 86.6 48.1 3.12 3039 100.0 65267 10609 1.154 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2217 105.0 59.0 3.82 3039 97.9 54145 13008 1.192
Hodgdon H1000 105.0 59.0 3.82 3039 97.9 54145 13008 1.192
Accurate 2460 77.8 47.6 3.08 3031 100.0 65267 10441 1.135 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.5 78.1 47.6 3.08 3031 100.0 65267 10441 1.135 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-33 105.0 64.7 4.19 3022 92.9 50103 14402 1.252
Rottweil R901 82.7 44.6 2.89 3019 100.0 65267 10326 1.133 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2495 81.5 45.3 2.93 3010 100.0 65267 10248 1.158 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Retumbo 105.0 60.0 3.88 2985 99.3 47803 13481 1.270
ADI AR 2225 105.0 60.0 3.88 2985 99.3 47803 13481 1.270
ReloadSwiss RS 80 105.0 64.7 4.19 2971 92.7 47598 14202 1.280
ADI AR 2218 105.0 63.5 4.12 2950 90.2 47297 14366 1.271
Lovex D100 105.0 64.2 4.16 2935 88.4 54652 12287 1.211
Vihtavuori 24N41 105.0 63.5 4.12 2907 85.5 49966 12783 1.247
Norma 217 105.0 58.7 3.80 2888 97.4 42608 13518 1.359
Vihtavuori N170 105.0 59.0 3.82 2872 90.7 49661 12253 1.280
Hodgdon H870 105.0 61.6 3.99 2859 91.7 42722 13513 1.352
Alliant Reloder-50 105.0 64.5 4.18 2815 88.2 40651 13736 1.406
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 105.0 63.1 4.09 2758 80.0 42732 12672 1.404
Hodgdon US 869 105.0 63.5 4.12 2707 81.3 40834 11860 1.384
Hodgdon 50BMG 105.0 60.5 3.92 2706 76.9 40942 11820 1.379
SNPE Vectan SP 13 105.0 60.9 3.95 2652 85.6 37483 11693 1.446
Accurate 8700 105.0 62.2 4.03 2625 84.4 36687 11613 1.450
Vihtavuori 20N29 105.0 64.2 4.16 2599 81.0 35523 11637 1.482
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520 105.0 60.9 3.95 2584 82.4 35208 11324 1.484
NC A3502 ,test only 105.0 58.3 3.78 2382 57.8 32514 8775 1.527
TLP A 502(RH) ,test only 105.0 58.3 3.78 2357 62.4 30588 9249 1.570
V1734 7-multiperf ,test only 105.0 58.3 3.78 1694 28.6 16938 4314 2.026

 

[jimbires]

I thought you might want to see this too .


Cartridge : .25-06 Rem.
Bullet : .257, 117, Sierra SPBT 1630
Useable Case Capaci: 61.602 grain H2O = 4.000 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.250 inch = 82.55 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-22

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 81 46.64 2563 1706 32832 11029 91.5 1.519
-18.0 83 47.81 2629 1795 35172 11378 92.8 1.479
-16.0 85 48.97 2695 1886 37683 11713 94.0 1.438
-14.0 87 50.14 2761 1980 40380 12032 95.2 1.391
-12.0 89 51.30 2827 2076 43272 12333 96.2 1.347
-10.0 91 52.47 2893 2174 46341 12613 97.1 1.304
-08.0 93 53.64 2959 2274 49610 12873 97.9 1.263
-06.0 95 54.80 3025 2376 53107 13109 98.5 1.224
-04.0 97 55.97 3090 2480 56849 13321 99.1 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 100 57.13 3155 2586 60856 13507 99.5 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 102 58.30 3219 2693 65151 13666 99.8 1.114 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 104 59.47 3284 2801 69757 13796 100.0 1.080 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 106 60.63 3347 2910 74702 13897 100.0 1.048 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 108 61.80 3410 3021 80016 13984 100.0 1.016 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 110 62.96 3473 3133 85735 14066 100.0 0.986 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 112 64.13 3535 3245 91897 14143 100.0 0.957 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 102 58.30 3357 2928 78461 13175 100.0 1.029 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 102 58.30 3021 2370 52114 13559 95.5 1.228

 

[mcseal2]

Thanks, that will help! I'm using several reloading manuals to find a safe starting place and going from there. The Sierra book's max loads looks to be well below the older Nosler and Hornady books I had.

Well I made an improvement. Since the IMR 4350 was still in the powder scale/dropper I tried it first. I got an average of 3225fps with an SD of 21 with the 100gr Sierra and 52.0gr. I put 7 of them down range and the 4 w/o the chronograph attached made a ragged hole. I'm not showing any pressure so I might try a half grain more tomorrow. I also want to try the H4831SC before I call it good. Very happy with the accuracy so far. A buddy I called who shoots the 25-06 a lot said his load was a 100gr Ballistic Tip with 54gr of IMR4350. Depending on what book you use that load is on the upper end. Depending on how that goes I might or might not experiment more with the 117gr bullets. I really don't need the heavier bullet for what I plan to do with the rifle.

I really plan to use this rifle on coyotes and for antlerless season. It will also be a back-up deer rifle for me and an antelope rifle for my wife. My 264 and 300 win mags have treated me to well to go away from them for a lot of my hunting although the 25-06 is plenty capable.

 

[1Shot]

I have been loading and shooting the 25-06 Rem for over 30 years. The standard load that shoots in most of them is 100 Sierra game kings with 52 grs IMR 4350 and 52 grs H4831 with the 117 Sierra or 49 grs IMR 4350 with Sierra 117. Primers make a big difference in accuracy. My rifle likes the 49 gr IMR 4350, 117 Sierra Pro Hunter, Rem. case, CCI 250 mag primer, 3000 fps and 1/4 MOA accuracy. Some might think this is a bit slow but I have killed everything I have ever shot at with it to 550 yards which is my self imposed max yardage for deer with it. I know my rife and where it shoots at different yardages. The 25-06 Seems to want to really shoot it's best with loads that are right at or Max. I have killed hundreds of white tail with about everything from a sharp stick to a 45-70 and the 25-06 is at the top of the list of calibers that just plain drop deer in their tracks with most any 100 to 120 gr. bullet.

 

[Blkram]

Some new barrels show a tendency to provide slower than normal velocities. Seen and heard of barrels improving after 200 to 400 rounds, and finally providing the expected velocities. Cartridge and caliber not consistent with this type of performance.

Have you had your bore scoped? Is it rough?

 

[magothy1]

I sure don't have 1Shot's experience, only been loading for .25-06 for 5 or 6 years, and a few more rifles than that. My best luck with 100 gr has been IMR 4831, 100 gr NoslerBT run around 3200, checked by chrony. I don't think my 117gr loads are as fast as 1Shot's, but cold barrel repeatable accuracy is excellent, using IMR 4831. Also had real good luck the last two years with IMR 7828 and 115gr NoslerBT. This most recent rifle, an older Sako L61R, is the best of the lot. As he says, the caliber seems to favor quick running loads.

His comment on primers is spot on, too.

 

[Guy Miner]

I haven't loaded 100's in some time, but was over 3300 fps via H4350, book loads.

Went with slow-burning Retumbo for the 115's, taking that bullet over 3100 fps. Book loads, but top end.

Best o' luck. Am interested in how your new barrel does after it's been shot a bit and you've got your loads dialed in...

Out of curiosity, did you get some new brass to work with?

Regards, Guy

 

[SJB358]

I’ve used 22, 19 and 26 quite bit in the 25-06. Getting about 3400 on the nose with 26 and 100 grain Sciroccos. Retumbo did super with the 120 Partitions and 19 did an easy shooting 3050 with 115 Partitions. My 70 has been real easy to deal with load wise. Made great speed.

Book data is a great baseline and their speeds are good as well, but I’ve had to push past the listed charges to get anywhere close to their speeds in my 24” barrel.

 

[Yoda]

7977 works great for me if you do a search on this site I have a post with the powder charges and velocities, 3400fps is pretty easy to reach in my remington I have a 25inch bartlin screwed on to it..

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[mcseal2]

This barrel has over a hundred rounds down it, between break-in, a little playing with loads, and factory stuff. It's probably closer to 150 now so it should be running as fast as it will. It was cryo-accurized too so it should be pretty smooth.

Got back to loading and shooting the 25-06 yesterday and tonight.

I ended up at 53gr of IMR 4350. I tried a half grain under and over but that was the sweet spot. Accuracy was as good as the 52gr load with no signs of pressure. I put 7 shots over the chronograph because that was how many cases I had left primed after shooting three 5 shot groups with the new load over 3 different bench sessions. Throwing out the high and low, the other 5 shots over the chronograph averaged 3301fps. I think that should be a fine coyote, deer, and antelope load for the old rifle. I will shoot a few more over the chronograph at different outside temps and then send the data in to have a turret built for the Vortex 4-16 the gun is wearing.

At some point I'll try the 100 Sirocco in it again. It shot well in my earlier load development with H4831SC at 3187fps. I want to see what it does with the 4350. If I'm really lucky it will shoot like my Sierra load and I can adjust the bullet to the intended target.

I plan to take this and my AR in the truck on the coyote contests I hunt this year. I need to send in the scope on the 243 I have used as my "big gun" in the past. Some spots I hunt these smarter later season coyotes ranges can stretch or we get a windy day and I don't have the faith in the 55gr V Max at 2964fps that I do in a bigger, faster bullet. It's always a good idea to have one back-up rifle between us anyway and it seems to always end up being mine. A buddy shot my rifle a couple years ago in a contest we won, he left his leaning up against his house when he locked his door. I was darn glad to have 2 rifles along that day!

 

[mcseal2]

I used to shoot the old 25-06 700 I had with factory Winchester 90gr PEP ammo. A fair number of my friends have shot 25-06 rifles for deer for years. They seem to drop deer as fast as anything with good shot placement. I've seen quite a few fall to 100gr Sierra Gameking or Nosler Ballistic tip 100gr bullets plus the 90gr factory stuff. The place I bought the 90's closed and I haven't seen that ammo on a shelf for a long time, but it was wicked. I have seen a lot of bigger bodied mid-western deer not take a step after being hit with a 25-06. Everyone was pretty careful on shot angle with the light bullets. I will be to and that's part of the reason I will continue to use the other rifles with a longer, heavier, bullet for buck season. I can't always get them to offer a good broadside shot. I had to take my buck this year quartering to me after waiting for a better angle for 20 minutes. He spent a long time sparring with another buck and light was starting to fade. Waiting another 20 minutes wasn't an option at the range I was going to have to shoot.

 

[RMiller]

53 grains of Reloader 17 gave me 3300 fps with the 100 grain Hornady in my 22" Howa.

50.5 H100V was around 3100 with a 117 Sierra SPBT

I loaded the 117 Sierra this year with 57 Grains of 7977 and I don't know the speed but they worked well on a couple whitetail does.

 

[Yoda]

Hodgdon reloading has a load using a 100gr Partition using IMR 7977, that will do 3400fps, I am running that velocity with 7977 . I use to run all IMR 4831, but I'm really liking this powder.

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