New MS Rifle

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Dec 30, 2011
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Howdy Guys,
I know it's been a bit so I wanted to check in. Life got very busy with a retirement from the Navy, a move of our household goods from VA to NM and a much smaller move from NM to Stuttgart, Germany. Upon our arrival here, the wife was kind enough to allow me to purchase a rifle that I had my eye on for the better part of two years while stationed in VA. It's really a neat piece because according to the Mannlicher Schoenauer collectors' association, it is a Model 1950 due to the bolt handle being straight, not swept back, and the safety being located on the right side. It's chambered in one of my favorite cartridges for Europe, the 6.5x68. It's very similar to a 264 Win Mag but does not have a belt and actually has a rebated rim.
Of all the game to hunt here in Europe my favorite has to be gamswild, also known as Chamois. It is something akin to a pronghorn antelope that inhabits the Alps. This rifle could be considered state of the art or cutting-edge for the purpose of hunting gams in the 50s and, despite its age, still seems like a heck of a choice for taking afield today with its flat shooting ability and modest weight for carrying into the high country.
The seller allowed me to purchase some ammo for it that has not been manufactured for a very long time, as indicated by the 6 gram "teilmantel-S spitz" type bullet weight and the "Made in Western Germany" logo on the RWS package. Well, I finally had an opportunity to get it out to the range and burn some rounds through it. My first shot was at 25 yards to see if I was on paper and it was a little low and left, but good enough for government work so I moved on back to 100 yards. The cartridge's voluminous case and the rifle's hard plastic butt plate hade me a little worried about its recoil, but it wasn't bad at all and the double set triggers were a joy to use. I was elated to see that it's shooting about 1.5 inches high and only 0.5 inches left at 100 yards. It turns out that it really loved the 6 gram bullet weight and put two in one hole and the third about a half inch away! Not too shabby for a 75-year-old rifle wearing a detachable fixed 6 power scope with a big dot that obstructs the target. While aiming, I realized that it's easier to have the dot bracketed by the target diamonds to center it more precisely to shoot it accurately. I also shot a few 127 grain bullets which don't look to be quite as accurate but are close enough.
When you do the conversion on 6 grams, it works out to a little over 92 grains for bullet weight. Considering the 6.5x68 case has more capacity than a 264 Win Mag, I imagine that bullet must be scootin' along pretty quickly! Most hunting here requires the use of leadfree bullets and the twist rate of the 6.5x68 is usually 1 in 250mm so I'm going to see about loading up some 100 grain TTSX bullets. Anything more probably won't stabilize around here as we're only about 700 feet above sea level. The deer season ended here on January 31st and won't open again until April for reh deer so I've got a little bit of time to try to figure things out.
V/R,
Joe
 
That is one cool rifle Joe. So happy you’re in retirement and enjoying it! Glad you’re back at work you know and enjoying and are getting some hunting in as well!

Can’t wait to see that rifle laying over a chamois or red deer!
 
Congrats on your retirement! Very cool rifle too.

Ya, that cartridge caught my eye long ago, I think you're right, it produces some very impressive muzzle velocity.

Out of curiosity, I found some load data for it: https://www.xxl-reloading.com/6.5-x-68-.264-100gr-Nosler-Ballistic-Tip


Like the others, I'm looking forward to seeing photos & reports of your hunting adventures with that fine old rifle.

Regards, Guy
 
Those MS rifles are certainly cool. A neighbor in the little town where I grew up had one, but in .30-06! And boy could he shoot it.

I’ve never personally been a fan of mannlicher full length stocks. But that action with the set triggers, butterknife bolt handle and rotary magazine are certainly eye candy.

Am planning to do some Pronghorn Antelope hunting this year with a pushfeed M70 in .264 Win Mag if I can draw a blessed tag!

Like Guy said, I am looking forward to lots of pictures of you with your rifle and the game it takes.
 
That is one cool rifle Joe. So happy you’re in retirement and enjoying it! Glad you’re back at work you know and enjoying and are getting some hunting in as well!

Can’t wait to see that rifle laying over a chamois or red deer!
Thank you, Scotty! It's good to be back in Stuttgart and heaven knows my hours are better than they used to be when I was still wearing a green suit. A 40 hour work week almost seems like a vacation nowadays!
 
Congrats on your retirement! Very cool rifle too.

Ya, that cartridge caught my eye long ago, I think you're right, it produces some very impressive muzzle velocity.

Out of curiosity, I found some load data for it: https://www.xxl-reloading.com/6.5-x-68-.264-100gr-Nosler-Ballistic-Tip


Like the others, I'm looking forward to seeing photos & reports of your hunting adventures with that fine old rifle.

Regards, Guy
Guy,
I appreciate it! It was good while it lasted, but life is all about change and it was time to be moving on. Much obliged for the reloading link. That Chuck Hawks is a really well-read guy and I always enjoy reading his articles.
 
Congratulations on your retirement, Joe. Cool find on the rifle. I considered the round on a build some years back, but settled on an 8X68 which has now replaced my 325 WSM. Yeah, keep us posted on your hunts.
Doc!
Thank you very much! Twenty years went really fast and it seems like things are only accelerating as my kiddos advance through high school. The history behind the 6.5x68 and 8x68 twins is really cool and is the result of stuffing the biggest case they could into an M98 that still functioned reliably. I imagine that your 8x68 is a hammer!
 
Those MS rifles are certainly cool. A neighbor in the little town where I grew up had one, but in .30-06! And boy could he shoot it.

I’ve never personally been a fan of mannlicher full length stocks. But that action with the set triggers, butterknife bolt handle and rotary magazine are certainly eye candy.

Am planning to do some Pronghorn Antelope hunting this year with a pushfeed M70 in .264 Win Mag if I can draw a blessed tag!

Like Guy said, I am looking forward to lots of pictures of you with your rifle and the game it takes.
The MS rifles really are something else! The amount of hand finishing that went into them to make them perfect is incredible. The 20" barrels on the full length mannlicher stocks seems a bit short to me, but boy do they handle nicely in a blind or in the woods.
That 264 Win Mag sounds like the hot ticket for antelope! My stepfather turned me onto it early in life when I used to admire his pre-64 Westerner rifle and the nice antelope that he took it with as a kid. Any idea what you'll feed it bullet wise? With the 250mm twist rate on my rifle, I think I could pull off a 130 AccuBond, but since everything here is leadfree, I think I'll save my powder and try to get the Barnes 100 grain TTSX figured out. Best of luck to you in drawing that tag!
 
That is a slick looking rifle. Good luck with your hunting. Looking forward to seeing pictures. I recall traveling through the Black Forest in the 70s and seeing shooting houses in all the clearing as we passed by. I thought it would be an adventure to hunt there.
 
Those MS rifles are certainly cool. A neighbor in the little town where I grew up had one, but in .30-06! And boy could he shoot it.

I’ve never personally been a fan of mannlicher full length stocks. But that action with the set triggers, butterknife bolt handle and rotary magazine are certainly eye candy.

Am planning to do some Pronghorn Antelope hunting this year with a pushfeed M70 in .264 Win Mag if I can draw a blessed tag!

Like Guy said, I am looking forward to lots of pictures of you with your rifle and the game it takes.
Yes, those MS actions are slick. I have an early 60's MCA model in .30-06, which I purchased from the estate of my sister-in-law's father. He bought it when he was stationed in Germany, then brought it home to Alaska where he used it extensively. My SIL said it was his favorite rifle, and he had quite a collection. It has a small crack in the nose cap that he fixed with epoxy, but it doesn't seem right to try to clean up the scuffs and scratches. If only that gun could talk!!

Those actions are so slick that you can open the bolt, point the muzzle up, hold back on the trigger, and then swing the muzzle down; the bolt will close and lock just from inertia, because there is no drag on it. Sweet rifles.
 
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