old inherited reloads 50yrs old?

[Sas874runner]

Going through some of the old stuff that I inherited I found about 80 reloads for 30-06 and decided to pull bullets so that I can use the cases. The powder I think was imr4350. Not sure. But the bullets I would like to see if anyone knows what bullets these may be. :mrgreen:

 

[gerry]

Looks like a Speer G.S and a Hornady BTSP to me.

 

[1Shot]

That is what I thought also at first glance. If the flat base is a Grand Slam it will have a GS stamped on the base of the bullet. It could be a Speer Mag Tip or a Remington CL. They look like 180 gr to me. Weigh them to see.

 

[Sas874runner]

There is no GS on the bottom of the flat base. And they are 180 grns

 

[Sas874runner]

Another view the boat tail has almost like a second bevel on the edge

 

[nosler06]

I would also like to know what the boat tailed one is. I have a ziploc bag full of about 75 of them from my dad. All have been weighed and are def 180gr. I might just load up with the extra IMR4350 powder that he gave me and head to the range to play. It is def cheaper than playing with Nosler Parts at the range. I will have to try to google pics to see if can find a match with the two rings to them.

 

[SJB358]

Looks like a Speer G.S and a Hornady BTSP to me.

That is my guess as well. If the bullet on the left is a Grand Slam, it should say GS on the bottom of it..

That for sure looks like an old school Hornady with the REAL innerlock ring by the crimp ring..

I love old bullets.. Just too cool

 

[SJB358]

Maybe sand them in half? Be cool to look at the jackets?

 

[kraky]

Bullets look really clean for that old....I'll bet the powder looked/smelled fine?
Any signs the bullets had bonded to the cases or did the slide apart nicely.
Sorry for the hijack!

 

[DrMike]

Great questions, Kraky. Based on the condition of the bullets, I'd be willing to wager there was no significant oxidation of the powder.

 

[Sas874runner]

The jackets were really bonded to the case. If you look close at the boat tail bullet behind the crimp ring you can see a nice piece of brass stuck to the bullet. A few of them took quite a few hard whacks to pull those suckers. unfortunately I don't know what powder was in the case so it ended up gettin dumped. But it looked like 4350. And it looked perfect. I looked at all of the flat base bullets I pulled and non of them have a gs on the bottom. Of the stuff I got from him there were quite a few sierra bullet boxes. The old ones with the metal edges. I'm wondering if its an old sierra bullet of some sort. Even a few boxes of a calibers I don't own. But its so very cool to have old reloading things like that!

 

[Sas874runner]

Oh man! Wait till you see these dinosaur killers I just found!

 

[Sas874runner]

Dino ammo

 

[Oldtrader3]

They do not look like Sierras to me, at least not in the last 50 years!

 

[meatmachineman]

The flat base that is suspected of being a GS I was thinking would be an old school Sierra, too. I had some (and might still have some) that look identical. They were in the gobs of reloading equipment inherited from my old man and the circumstances sounded familiar. If we wasn't shooting cast lead, he was shooting Sierras. He used to buy Sierra seconds when they were still located in Sante Fe Springs. I have a bunch of the described old metal edged green boxes and assumed they were sierras as that seemed to be his factory bullet of choice. However, they were not in a box and add to that Charlie knows a thing or two... so I'm now a bit skeptical of my original suspicion.

 

[SJB358]

Dino ammo

NICE!! Those three big RN's look like the old school 220 grain Winchester Silvertips! Very cool right there. That was supposed to be a GREAT big game bullet for the 30-06..

I love the look of those old Silvertips. The only factory ammo I really like is the 358 Win 200 grain Silvertip.. Stuff is very accurate and man, it works well at that speed...

Still not sure on that flat base.. Maybe a Remington CoreLokt? Or a Speer MagTip as another mentioned.

I do like those old Silvertip pictures though. Too cool!

 

[Sas874runner]

Ya I don't have any idea what these might be. Thought it would be fun to see what answers everyone could come up with.

 

[kraky]

Just a simple trick for pulling bonded bullets.....hit em with a seating die moving the bullet just enough to crack loose. Then pull em.
Before I was totally removing rcbs case lube my reloads started bonding in about a yr of storage.
The next time out w/my secret recipe I found velocity was up 75-100fps...pressure was up....and my secret recipe was now horse manure!

 

[Sas874runner]

Horse manuare!?! :shock:

 

[Guest]

Gerry and Scotty are right about the boat-tail being a Hornady. I have an older Hornady manual and there are pics/drawings in it that are the spit and image of the bullet you pulled. That second groove is the key. Size, spacing, and orientation are dead-ringers. Also, notice the Hornady trademark secant ogive, as opposed to the tangent ogive on the flat-based bullet. That steep, straight pointed design is Hornady through and through.

The flat-based, I tend to agree with 1Shot, is likely a Speer MagTip. No GS for Grand Slam, no pointed soft point of lead, so not Sierra or Hornady. No exposed lead core at the base, so not a Partition. The "flat" lead point says MagTip, or perhaps a factory ammo bullet of some sort, but if I were a betting man, I'd bet MagTip. If you have a coping saw and vise, you might trim down through the bullet and look at the tip of the jacket. If it's skived, that's a pretty strong indicator it's a MagTip.