Quickload 308 Win- 180gr Ballistic Tips

[SJB358]

I am thinking of loading some 180gr Ballistic Tips for my wifes 308. I will be using CCI BR2's for primers, WW Cases, and the Ruger Hawkeye has a 22 inch barrel. I think the 180's would make a better black bear load for her this year. I think the 180gr BT's will also work fine with a Muzzle Velocity of around 2600FPS. If one you gents could run the QL for me, I would appreciate it. I have IMR4064, Varget, AA2520, RL15 and W748 on hand, so those are where I am thinking of starting. Thanks for the help. Scotty

 

[Charlie-NY]

Not quickload but from the Nosler #6 book:

IMR 4064 40.0 - 44.0 max velocity 2,718
RL15 38.5 - 42.5 max velocity 2,638

 

[JD338]

beretzs

Another option would be the 165 gr AB or the 168 gr E-Tip.
Higher velocity and less recoil for Mrs. beretzs.
Even a big Black Bear is easy to kill if you put the bullet where it needs to go. Just a thought.......

JD338

 

[SJB358]

No worries. I would use the 165's, but I have ALOT of the 180gr BT's. If I cannot make them work, I will certainly move to a 165 AccuBond or Partition. She isn't going to be shooting super far (less than 250 yards). Plus, I have a little time with all the snow to do a little tinkering for her rifle. Haven't really did much with it in awhile. Scotty

 

[matts318]

I had great luck with the 180 AB in my 308 with reloader 15 it shoots half inch groups and better. I found my best accuracy with a near max load, its a few grains less than book max because I have a custom barrel so just work up.

 

[SJB358]

Just FYI, W748 shot really well with the 180gr Ballistic Tips, getting about 2650 out of them. I am having some issues with resizing the cases, but as soon as I get it worked out I will post up some more data. Scotty

 

[JD338]

Just FYI, W748 shot really well with the 180gr Ballistic Tips, getting about 2650 out of them. I am having some issues with resizing the cases, but as soon as I get it worked out I will post up some more data. Scotty

Scotty,

Still having problems resizing the W-W brass?

JD338

 

[SJB358]

Sorry I didn't get back to you Jim. I had friends over this weekend and didn't have a chance to anneal any of the cases. I will probably bring home a propane torch tomorrow and try it out. If that doesn't work, I may try grinding a little off the base of the die, just to get some more sizing action. Scotty

 

[SJB358]

No dice with grinding the die or annealing. I think I am stuck with getting a new Forster FL die for my COAX. This has been the oddest thing to happen since I started loading over 15 years ago. Still seems odd I cannot get anything to work, but it just might now work with this particular lot of brass. Scotty

 

[SJB358]

Well, I ordered the actual Forster FL Sizing die, so hopefully that works and cures that problem for me. I will try the die out once I get back from the Midwest. Scotty

 

[FOTIS]

Let us know....

 

[SJB358]

Will do. Dr Mike brought the point up, that certain dies and the COAX might be a little finicky. I haven't had an issue with the 338WM, 300WM, 270WSM, 270 Win, 243 Win, 22-250, 35 Whelen, 358 Win, 30-06 and a few others. I would have thought the 243 and 358 might have ailed from the same issues, but they come out fine, with great neck tension. Odd, the 308 is a problem. Either way, the new die will be at home when I get back, so I will give it a whirl and let you all know. Scotty

 

[FOTIS]

Cartridge : .308 Win.
Bullet : .308, 180, Nosler BalTip 30180
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch or 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch or 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 62000 psi, or 427 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-17 105.3 46.3 3.00 2679 99.1 62000 8500 1.080 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 108.6 48.2 3.12 2679 96.0 62000 8747 1.087 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame 107.0 46.3 3.00 2673 99.4 62000 8367 1.089 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 107.2 46.4 3.01 2672 99.4 62000 8355 1.089 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 105.6 47.1 3.06 2655 96.0 62000 8599 1.099 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 105.1 42.6 2.76 2653 100.0 62000 7850 1.083 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 98.5 45.0 2.92 2650 99.9 62000 8104 1.103 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 110.0 47.1 3.05 2649 98.0 59164 8637 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 106.4 45.1 2.92 2648 99.8 62000 8090 1.110 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 104.6 43.8 2.84 2647 99.4 62000 8166 1.104 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 104.0 43.6 2.83 2645 99.1 62000 8197 1.104 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 104.0 43.6 2.83 2645 99.1 62000 8197 1.104 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 104.0 43.6 2.83 2645 99.1 62000 8197 1.104 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 95.9 43.3 2.80 2645 100.0 62000 7798 1.098 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 108.8 45.1 2.92 2640 99.7 62000 8005 1.111 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031 104.2 40.8 2.65 2636 100.0 62000 7368 1.102 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 108.5 44.5 2.88 2631 99.6 62000 7995 1.110 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 105.2 45.0 2.92 2629 98.1 62000 8207 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 105.9 43.6 2.83 2626 99.3 62000 7884 1.092 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 101.0 43.6 2.83 2624 100.0 62000 7570 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9 101.2 43.8 2.84 2620 99.4 62000 7931 1.103 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516 101.2 45.2 2.93 2619 98.0 62000 8093 1.102 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507 97.5 42.7 2.76 2614 99.9 62000 7738 1.106 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC 94.9 42.6 2.76 2613 99.9 62000 7721 1.106 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321 95.7 43.2 2.80 2613 99.9 62000 7764 1.111 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 106.7 43.3 2.80 2613 100.0 62000 7512 1.097 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 103.9 41.2 2.67 2609 100.0 62000 7257 1.138 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex-S0621 105.0 42.8 2.78 2607 99.9 62000 7672 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341 99.3 44.8 2.90 2604 99.3 62000 7714 1.104 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 103.5 43.8 2.84 2603 100.0 62000 7522 1.110 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 96.5 40.7 2.64 2602 99.9 62000 7619 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208 105.9 43.1 2.79 2601 98.9 62000 7843 1.102 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET 106.2 43.1 2.79 2601 98.9 62000 7843 1.102 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335 91.2 41.7 2.70 2600 100.0 62000 7378 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 101.1 41.7 2.70 2599 100.0 62000 7362 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 10 90.8 40.7 2.64 2596 100.0 62000 7335 1.111 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064 107.1 42.4 2.75 2595 99.1 62000 7695 1.106 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 508 90.8 40.7 2.64 2595 100.0 62000 7325 1.111 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 97.3 41.7 2.70 2595 99.9 62000 7618 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan Sp 7 93.3 42.0 2.72 2595 100.0 62000 7447 1.124 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 110.0 43.1 2.79 2594 100.0 58973 7538 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219 90.8 39.3 2.55 2589 100.0 62000 7121 1.106 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322 96.6 39.3 2.55 2589 100.0 62000 7121 1.106 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902 103.6 41.9 2.71 2586 99.9 62000 7518 1.123 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 94.4 42.5 2.75 2585 100.0 62000 7368 1.126 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 109.7 45.2 2.93 2583 95.1 62000 7992 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 106.3 45.2 2.93 2583 95.1 62000 7986 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator 89.0 39.9 2.59 2582 100.0 62000 7150 1.114 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140 109.5 44.1 2.86 2581 99.8 62000 7438 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex-D0832 95.5 42.2 2.73 2581 100.0 62000 6926 1.109 ! Near Maximum !
Nitrochemie A/S 0300 88.0 37.9 2.45 2577 100.0 62000 6861 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901 99.6 39.6 2.57 2573 100.0 62000 7212 1.133 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2230 92.7 41.7 2.70 2572 100.0 62000 7244 1.123 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 110.0 45.9 2.97 2572 95.6 54483 8407 1.144 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N135 110.0 41.8 2.71 2567 100.0 61127 6873 1.123 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 110.0 45.6 2.96 2566 97.2 53131 8336 1.162
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 110.0 45.6 2.96 2565 97.1 53078 8332 1.162
Lovex-S0651 110.0 45.1 2.92 2562 96.8 58877 7933 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12 96.3 41.2 2.67 2561 100.0 62000 6955 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210 91.7 39.7 2.57 2560 100.0 62000 7198 1.114 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 110.0 47.6 3.09 2560 95.0 53043 8480 1.161
Norma 204 110.0 47.6 3.09 2559 91.8 56724 8263 1.133 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex-D0733 92.0 41.1 2.66 2555 99.9 62000 7168 1.118 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex-D0731 92.1 41.1 2.66 2555 99.7 62000 7220 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex-S0601 100.3 40.9 2.65 2555 99.4 62000 7338 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark 97.5 40.2 2.61 2553 100.0 62000 7158 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
ADI BM2 89.7 40.0 2.60 2553 100.0 62000 7139 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206 99.5 41.3 2.67 2546 99.6 62000 7234 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2200 89.0 37.9 2.45 2545 100.0 62000 6946 1.114 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x 94.0 37.2 2.41 2544 100.0 62000 6678 1.126 ! Near Maximum !
SF-033 fl 90.8 38.9 2.52 2543 100.0 62000 6520 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex-S0701 110.0 45.6 2.96 2539 94.9 55887 8052 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 98.6 41.3 2.68 2539 99.5 62000 7195 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2015 95.7 38.8 2.51 2536 100.0 62000 6616 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S335 100.8 41.3 2.68 2531 100.0 62000 6772 1.128 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700 107.0 46.3 3.00 2530 94.6 62000 7464 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 200 85.3 37.0 2.40 2522 100.0 62000 6498 1.142 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP1/NP ~approximation 85.3 37.0 2.40 2522 100.0 62000 6498 1.142 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 110.0 45.9 2.97 2519 99.0 47187 8266 1.213
Vihtavuori N133 102.7 39.4 2.55 2512 100.0 62000 6405 1.120 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150 110.0 43.5 2.82 2510 99.7 54927 7387 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 1680 79.2 35.7 2.31 2508 100.0 62000 6461 1.119 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4198 90.3 35.6 2.30 2500 100.0 62000 6389 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4198 93.4 35.1 2.27 2498 100.0 62000 6192 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N130 96.8 37.9 2.46 2497 100.0 62000 6314 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
Kazan Sunar 308W 92.2 37.8 2.45 2491 100.0 62000 6294 1.130 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder- 7 88.2 35.8 2.32 2490 100.0 62000 6254 1.133 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 110.0 44.2 2.86 2489 93.6 49651 8071 1.197
Accurate 5744 80.1 31.4 2.03 2486 100.0 62000 6315 1.118 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2207 88.7 34.8 2.25 2484 100.0 62000 6143 1.134 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 296 69.7 31.4 2.03 2470 100.0 62000 6086 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 110.0 46.1 2.99 2466 90.0 50450 7963 1.193
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 110.0 46.1 2.99 2466 90.0 50450 7963 1.193
Accurate 4350 110.0 44.1 2.86 2444 95.4 44683 8058 1.264
Hodgdon H4227 84.7 32.5 2.11 2439 100.0 62000 5783 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 110.0 45.9 2.97 2438 89.0 48469 7970 1.212
Vihtavuori N120 91.2 34.9 2.26 2436 100.0 62000 5724 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4227 84.3 32.3 2.09 2433 100.0 62000 5758 1.127 ! Near Maximum !
Nitrochemie A/S 0200 76.7 32.2 2.08 2427 100.0 62000 5707 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 110.0 46.1 2.99 2425 88.9 46537 8002 1.234

 

[SJB358]

Thanks for the data Pop. It is very useful, I should look at W760 or H414, being they are about the same. I tried a bunch of the others and W748 seemed to want to group pretty decent and speed was pretty good. Hopefully the new die helps with the sizing issues and I can continue working on this rifle. Scotty

 

[FOTIS]

They are pretty much the same like Win 296 and H110.

 

[SJB358]

That is what I read. Thanks again for the QL Pop. Scotty

 

[Alaska]

One of my favorite to reload the 308 Win

180gr BT or AB
Varget @ 44.2 and RL 15 @ 43.2
CCI Br2 Primers
WW brass

 

[SJB358]

Alaska, I tried that one, but it didn't group very well. I think it may have been to neck tension issues, so I will retry. Varget has been excellent in the 308, so I was surprised it didn't work this last time. Scotty

 

[buckfever]

Imr 4350 180 pts worked really good in my Dads pre 64 M70 feather weight The load was 48 gr, cci 200 that was 2 grs below Noslers max it was a compressed load.

 

[Alaska]

another good load I use in the 308 win a Browning BLR is:

Reloader 15 @ 43.2
Fed 210M
WW Brass
180gr Bullet Part