QuickLoad 338 Federal?

[preacher]

Woodleigh makes a 180 and a 200 Protected Point bullets especially designed for the lower velocities of the 338 Federal. Do any of you QL user have the 200 Woodleigh mentioned for a 22" bbl? Any help appreciated.

 

[DrMike]

I have a box of each of these Woodleigh bullets. They do have some real promise. Is this the information you're seeking?

Cartridge          : .338 Federal
Bullet             : .338, 200, Woodleigh PP WeldCore 56D
Useable Case Capaci: 50.518 grain H2O = 3.280 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0  102    49.59   2412    2584   40752   7727     93.2    1.247
-09.0  103    50.14   2443    2651   42263   7828     93.8    1.226
-08.0  104    50.69   2474    2718   43838   7925     94.4    1.205
-07.0  105    51.24   2505    2787   45480   8018     95.0    1.185
-06.0  106    51.79   2536    2856   47199   8107     95.5    1.165
-05.0  107    52.35   2567    2927   48991   8192     96.0    1.146
-04.0  108    52.90   2598    2998   50869   8273     96.5    1.127
-03.0  109    53.45   2630    3071   52831   8349     97.0    1.108  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  111    54.00   2661    3145   54885   8421     97.4    1.089  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  112    54.55   2692    3219   57035   8488     97.8    1.071  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  113    55.10   2724    3295   59292   8550     98.2    1.053  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  114    55.65   2755    3371   61654   8606     98.5    1.035  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  115    56.20   2787    3449   64140   8658     98.8    1.018  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  116    56.75   2818    3527   66749   8703     99.1    1.001  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  117    57.30   2850    3607   69492   8743     99.3    0.984  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  118    57.86   2881    3687   72365   8778     99.5    0.967  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    113    55.10   2874    3668   71931   8247    100.0    0.970  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    113    55.10   2516    2811   48246   8209     90.4    1.161

Cartridge          : .338 Federal
Bullet             : .338, 200, Woodleigh PP WeldCore 56D
Useable Case Capaci: 50.518 grain H2O = 3.280 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 59300 psi, or 408 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma 203 old                      110.0     51.8     3.36    2662    98.8    59286    7820   1.082  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17                 110.0     53.7     3.48    2646    97.2    53881    8387   1.098  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                      102.2     50.2     3.25    2646    99.8    59300    7406   1.086  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                      104.3     47.5     3.08    2644   100.0    59300    7115   1.107  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                      110.0     50.1     3.25    2642   100.0    58094    7430   1.111  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                       108.4     51.6     3.34    2632    95.9    59300    7792   1.083  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     110.0     54.2     3.51    2617    92.0    55615    8066   1.094  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       110.0     54.2     3.51    2617    92.0    55615    8066   1.094  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460                       97.2     48.7     3.15    2601    99.5    59300    7163   1.100  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                       109.2     51.6     3.34    2574    92.1    59300    7466   1.092  ! Near Maximum !

 

[preacher]

That will work! I have some Speer 200 HC and have yet to try them. I was thinking of this Woodleigh 200 speced for the 338 Federal. I'm think it would work pretty swell, especially if one could get it around 2700 fps. what does QL show for the 180NAB and the Speer 200HC, say at 61K?

 

[DrMike]

Cartridge          : .338 Federal
Bullet             : .338, 200, Speer SP 2405
Useable Case Capaci: 50.357 grain H2O = 3.270 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0  102    49.68   2421    2604   41285   7740     93.4    1.240
-09.0  103    50.23   2452    2671   42827   7840     94.0    1.219
-08.0  104    50.78   2483    2739   44434   7936     94.6    1.198
-07.0  105    51.34   2514    2808   46115   8028     95.1    1.178
-06.0  107    51.89   2546    2878   47869   8116     95.7    1.158
-05.0  108    52.44   2577    2949   49704   8200     96.2    1.139
-04.0  109    52.99   2608    3021   51622   8279     96.7    1.120
-03.0  110    53.54   2640    3095   53629   8354     97.1    1.101  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  111    54.10   2671    3169   55732   8424     97.5    1.082  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  112    54.65   2703    3244   57936   8489     97.9    1.064  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  113    55.20   2734    3320   60248   8549     98.3    1.046  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  114    55.75   2766    3398   62674   8604     98.6    1.028  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  116    56.30   2798    3476   65222   8653     98.9    1.011  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  117    56.86   2829    3555   67901   8697     99.2    0.994  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  118    57.41   2861    3635   70719   8735     99.4    0.977  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  119    57.96   2893    3717   73689   8767     99.6    0.960  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    113    55.20   2884    3693   73111   8233    100.0    0.964  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    113    55.20   2527    2835   49007   8226     90.7    1.153

Cartridge          : .338 Federal
Bullet             : .338, 200, Speer SP 2405
Useable Case Capaci: 50.357 grain H2O = 3.270 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60250 psi, or 415 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma 203 old                      110.0     51.6     3.34    2658    98.7    59045    7793   1.084  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3                         110.0     51.6     3.34    2658    98.7    59045    7793   1.084  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                      102.7     50.3     3.26    2655    99.8    60250    7400   1.079  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                       105.1     50.3     3.26    2655    99.8    60250    7400   1.079  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                      104.9     47.6     3.09    2654   100.0    60250    7108   1.099  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                       109.0     51.7     3.35    2642    96.1    60250    7798   1.076  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                           110.0     53.6     3.47    2641    97.1    53692    8356   1.100  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17                 110.0     53.6     3.47    2641    97.1    53692    8356   1.100  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                      110.0     50.0     3.24    2638   100.0    57851    7409   1.113  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60                  110.0     53.6     3.47    2630    97.7    52418    8475   1.110  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     110.0     54.0     3.50    2612    91.9    55443    8032   1.096  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       110.0     54.0     3.50    2612    91.9    55443    8032   1.096  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460                       97.7     48.8     3.16    2611    99.5    60250    7161   1.092  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5                        98.0     48.8     3.16    2611    99.5    60250    7161   1.092  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7                   102.6     51.1     3.31    2609    95.9    60250    7479   1.083  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                      103.3     45.6     2.95    2603    99.9    60250    7042   1.101  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                       110.0     50.0     3.24    2589    97.8    55510    7565   1.115  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                      110.0     50.5     3.27    2587    97.8    54348    7583   1.124  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                       109.8     51.7     3.35    2584    92.2    60250    7476   1.085  ! Near Maximum !

 

[DrMike]

Cartridge          : .338 Federal
Bullet             : .338, 180, Nosler AccuBond 57625
Useable Case Capaci: 48.305 grain H2O = 3.136 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-15

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0  101    45.00   2476    2451   42041   6810     91.0    1.199
-09.0  102    45.50   2505    2508   43550   6897     91.6    1.180
-08.0  103    46.00   2534    2567   45119   6981     92.1    1.162
-07.0  104    46.50   2563    2626   46751   7064     92.6    1.144
-06.0  106    47.00   2592    2685   48449   7144     93.1    1.126
-05.0  107    47.50   2621    2746   50209   7223     93.6    1.109
-04.0  108    48.00   2650    2807   52033   7299     94.1    1.092  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0  109    48.50   2679    2869   53924   7373     94.6    1.075  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  110    49.00   2708    2932   55893   7444     95.0    1.059  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  111    49.50   2737    2995   57943   7513     95.4    1.042  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  112    50.00   2767    3059   60079   7579     95.8    1.026  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  113    50.50   2796    3124   62304   7643     96.2    1.011  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  115    51.00   2825    3190   64625   7704     96.6    0.995  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  116    51.50   2855    3257   67045   7762     97.0    0.980  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  117    52.00   2884    3324   69571   7816     97.3    0.965  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  118    52.50   2913    3392   72209   7868     97.6    0.951  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    112    50.00   2909    3382   72831   7554     99.5    0.951  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    112    50.00   2582    2664   48093   7236     88.4    1.126

Cartridge          : .338 Federal
Bullet             : .338, 180, Nosler AccuBond 57625
Useable Case Capaci: 48.305 grain H2O = 3.136 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60250 psi, or 415 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Accurate 2495                      109.8     47.8     3.10    2783   100.0    60250    7056   1.046  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                      107.2     50.3     3.26    2771    99.1    60250    7263   1.029  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                       109.7     50.3     3.26    2771    99.1    60250    7263   1.029  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5                       102.1     48.8     3.16    2721    98.5    60250    6996   1.044  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460                      101.8     48.8     3.16    2721    98.5    60250    6996   1.044  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                      107.7     45.6     2.95    2718    99.4    60250    6932   1.053  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7                   106.6     50.9     3.30    2706    93.8    60250    7165   1.038  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                       110.0     50.0     3.24    2651    92.5    53789    7262   1.081  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                       110.0     49.7     3.22    2570    87.6    53063    6819   1.100  ! Near Maximum !

 

[preacher]

Thanks Doc... you think that Speer 200 will open up on an elk out around 350 when going 2650 or so?

 

[Gunner46]

LVR isn't listed in QL it seems, but I've read reports (from another forum) that it can move a 200 gr out & about 2700fps+ within safe perimeters. No mention on accuracy though. I've got some 200AB's loaded up, just need to get to the range and run them across the Chrony to verify.

 

[thatguySHM]

My hunting load is 46.5gr of H335 with the 180gr AccuBond, loaded to 2.885" for 2735fps. It's subMOA in my M77 with a 22" barrel.

Recovered weight was 146gr, 130 yards quartering towards me, went through approximately 22-23" of deer.

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[preacher]

Nice. I have a few on hand to try out later. At this point, I would have to take some game with this caliber, personally ( which I haven't), before I would trust it much past 250yds or so. Just saying. One just never knows where those goofy elk will show up! ha. I tend to hug the more timbered areas anyhow, so I may go the rest of my life w/o even getting the kind of shot "I tend to agonize over", ha. thanks guys.