Rifle, straight walled pistol cartridges
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Here are a few....
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45-70 a pistol cartridge? If they allow the 45-70 .....run with it. My next choice would be the 44mag(a true pistol round). I've seen a lot of deer killed with a 44mag rifle out to 200yds you just need to know your elevation. A ballistic reticle would help a lot.
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Yup! Contender 45-70 or 444.
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Dewey,
If you can use a 45-70 rifle, get a Marlin 1895 and don't look back!
The 45-70 loaded with a 300 gr BST at 2100 fps is a hammer on deer. Accuracy is scary and 200 yard shoots are a piece of cake. My 1895 Guide gun has done .400" at 100 yds.
JD338
If you can use a 45-70 rifle, get a Marlin 1895 and don't look back!
The 45-70 loaded with a 300 gr BST at 2100 fps is a hammer on deer. Accuracy is scary and 200 yard shoots are a piece of cake. My 1895 Guide gun has done .400" at 100 yds.
JD338
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It seems everyone underestimates the 45-70 which was used to win many 1000yd matches along with the 45-90 and the 45-120.
I remember reading an article in Outdoor Life back in the 1960's where a Sheriff was trying to catch a poacher either in Wy or Co and was shot at a little over a mile away with a Sharps 45-120 by the poacher.
The lead bullet didn't penetrate his leather jacket but the impact stopped his heart and killed him just the same. They found the bullet laying beside him and used it to prosecute the poacher.
I remember reading an article in Outdoor Life back in the 1960's where a Sheriff was trying to catch a poacher either in Wy or Co and was shot at a little over a mile away with a Sharps 45-120 by the poacher.
The lead bullet didn't penetrate his leather jacket but the impact stopped his heart and killed him just the same. They found the bullet laying beside him and used it to prosecute the poacher.
JD338":1rcry9re said:
I second the Nosler (C/T) 300gr BST in the .45-70 GOVT rifle. I have shot some very acceptable 100-yard groups with that bullet over RL7 and IMR3031 out of a Marlin 1895 with 22" barrel. And don't discount cast boolits, either. The 405gr gas-checked cast shoot very well out of a micro-groove barrel, despite what you may read to the contrary. The bonus with the .45-70 is that during the off-season, you can load up those 405gr thumpers in front of 12gr of UNIQUE and shoot them all afternoon long without pounding your shoulder to pieces! And case life on those straight-walled GOVT rifle cases is amazing, especially if you shoot a lot of 'plinking' loads.
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Just pulled this off the DNR site so here's what's being proposed for the new reg:
Proposed hunting rifles are chambered for the following calibers: .357 Magnum, .357 Maximum, .38 Special, .375 Super Magnum, .375 Winchester, .38-55, .41 Long Colt, .41 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, .444 Marlin, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .45 Long Colt, .45 Winchester Magnum, .45 Smith & Wesson, .454 Casull, .460 Smith & Wesson, .45-70, .45-90, .45-110, .475 Linebaugh, .50-70, .50-90, .50-100, .50-110 and .500 Smith & Wesson.
Also...In the Marlin 45/70s, is there a significant difference accuracy wise or velocity with the 22" vs the 18.5" barrels? Anyone experiment with them?
Proposed hunting rifles are chambered for the following calibers: .357 Magnum, .357 Maximum, .38 Special, .375 Super Magnum, .375 Winchester, .38-55, .41 Long Colt, .41 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, .444 Marlin, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .45 Long Colt, .45 Winchester Magnum, .45 Smith & Wesson, .454 Casull, .460 Smith & Wesson, .45-70, .45-90, .45-110, .475 Linebaugh, .50-70, .50-90, .50-100, .50-110 and .500 Smith & Wesson.
Also...In the Marlin 45/70s, is there a significant difference accuracy wise or velocity with the 22" vs the 18.5" barrels? Anyone experiment with them?
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Dewey
Not a big difference. I pushed the 300 gr PT over 2300 fps from a 18.5" barrel.
I've also shot mine at 300 yds with Kentucky windage.
A CDS dial would be awesome
JD338
Not a big difference. I pushed the 300 gr PT over 2300 fps from a 18.5" barrel.
I've also shot mine at 300 yds with Kentucky windage.
A CDS dial would be awesome
JD338
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Of the above DNR rounds, you certainly cannot knock the 45-70. If you can find one, the .444 marlin is a great round for deer sized game, as is the .44 out of a rifle. In the .44 mag, there are a lot of great options in the "cowboy action" type lever guns such as Henry and some of the Uberti replicas. .375 win and .41 mag are also nothing to sneeze at in a rifle. The old .45 LC also packs quite a punch when handloaded in a modern action and fired from a rifle length barrel.
I am 2nd'ing everything JD has mentioned. I shot alot of 300 grain bullets out to 300 yards when I first got the 45-70 from my Guide Rifle and accuracy was amazing! You won't see a lick of difference from the 18.5 vs the 22" barrel. Find yourself a Guide Rifle in 45-70 or 444 Marlin and have at it. You'll be very well prepared to take shots almost as long as you would with a bolt gun in most cases.
I love my Guide Rifle. Very accurate and it hits with alot of power. It sounds like your going to have alot of fun. I have a 22" barreled 444 Marlin as well and it is just as accurate as my 45-70 with a little lighter recoil as well. Just cannot beat those two cartridges. They will put some serious smack down on deer. I could only dream of using my 45-70 in the thick country I hunt here in the South. Easy handling and alot of power.
I love my Guide Rifle. Very accurate and it hits with alot of power. It sounds like your going to have alot of fun. I have a 22" barreled 444 Marlin as well and it is just as accurate as my 45-70 with a little lighter recoil as well. Just cannot beat those two cartridges. They will put some serious smack down on deer. I could only dream of using my 45-70 in the thick country I hunt here in the South. Easy handling and alot of power.
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I had a 2x7 Leupold SABR on mine when I started. Worked well, didn't like the SABR center reticle. I went to a VXR 1.25x4 #4 reticle and I LOVE IT!! I don't see that scope coming off the rifle, well, unless I wanna use the XS sights but overall, I can't ever see it happening..
I have a plain old M8 4X on the 444 and like that scope alot..
I have a plain old M8 4X on the 444 and like that scope alot..
