Thor's Hammer & The 150gr E-Tip

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I decided that if I am going to work with the 358Win when it gets here a week from today as I have been told. I thought I would also work with my 300Wby Mark V Custom (Thor's Hammer) that I did not hunt with this year and try the 150gr E-Tip. It is a German Mark V receiver with a #2 26" Shilen barrel with a Banzer brake, bedded in a McMillan Stock with a tuned trigger and Blue printed action.

I will try IMR4350, IMR7828, RL-25 and RL-22

 

[JD338]

I would think you should be able to get 3200+ fps with the 150 gr E-Tip.
Hammer time! :lol:

JD338

 

[bullet]

I would think you should be able to get 3200+ fps with the 150 gr E-Tip.
Hammer time! :lol:

JD338

JD338, I hope to get 3350-3450fps and if I can which I think I can with ease and no pressure problems, I could really reach out with the BC of the 150gr E-Tip. You talk about a gas-line rifle and round. 400yds will be it's point blank if I can get 3400fps. Should, I have reached over 3500fps with a 150gr bullet before with this rifle. What ever happens it will be an education for sure.

 

[bullet]

JD338, I have decided to only use the Sierra 165gr HPBT at 2950fps with my 06 and not the GS HV. If the E-Tip performs at all under and inch I will use it in my 300Wby for my long shots and terrain that demands a rifle and cartridge that can Reach out and Touch Them. :lol: 8) In fact I would rather reach out to 400yds with a 150gr bullet than a 100gr bullet at 425yds. Yes, I like a 300Wby better than I like a 257Wby. Did I say that????? Don't shoot me GB300wm!!!!!!! :lol:

 

[FOTIS]

OK QL is not yet updated with the newer E-tips but I have found that you can get pretty close with the regular Barnes X....... not TSX!


Cartridge : .300 Weath. Mag.
Bullet : .308, 150, Barnes 'X' S 30815
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.560 inch or 90.42 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch or 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 63000 psi, or 434 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

136 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-25 104.5 86.3 5.59 3428 100.0 63000 12070 1.086 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 96.4 83.6 5.41 3411 99.8 63000 12544 1.097 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy) 101.5 89.8 5.82 3410 98.7 63000 12646 1.100 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 101.3 89.8 5.82 3409 98.7 63000 12635 1.100 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 101.2 89.7 5.81 3409 98.8 63000 12613 1.100 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 98.4 83.5 5.41 3403 97.8 63000 12850 1.093 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 97.5 83.1 5.39 3401 98.3 63000 12495 1.082 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 103.1 83.1 5.39 3401 98.3 63000 12495 1.082 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 98.6 82.8 5.36 3388 98.2 63000 12392 1.081 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 98.5 86.9 5.63 3383 96.5 63000 12869 1.100 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214 102.4 88.3 5.72 3382 98.5 63000 12215 1.079 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 98.6 82.7 5.36 3378 99.1 63000 12378 1.099 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 98.6 82.7 5.36 3378 99.1 63000 12378 1.099 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 98.6 82.7 5.36 3378 99.1 63000 12378 1.099 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 101.2 83.1 5.39 3376 99.0 63000 12388 1.099 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N570 105.0 91.9 5.96 3372 93.4 58275 13646 1.130 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2 105.0 87.2 5.65 3366 98.3 60479 12720 1.133 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 95.5 78.9 5.11 3346 99.0 63000 11811 1.090 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 99.9 82.3 5.34 3340 97.7 63000 12090 1.100 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 91.3 75.4 4.88 3339 100.0 63000 11332 1.096 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 95.9 79.6 5.16 3338 99.0 63000 11858 1.098 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 96.6 80.2 5.20 3330 99.0 63000 11771 1.099 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 92.3 76.3 4.94 3320 100.0 63000 10576 1.111 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 94.1 78.1 5.06 3315 98.9 63000 11587 1.098 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 91.1 78.1 5.06 3315 98.9 63000 11587 1.098 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 94.1 78.1 5.06 3315 98.9 63000 11587 1.098 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 91.0 74.7 4.84 3314 100.0 63000 10994 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 91.0 74.8 4.84 3313 100.0 63000 10991 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 102.1 82.4 5.34 3309 97.0 63000 11748 1.096 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 98.1 82.4 5.34 3309 97.0 63000 11748 1.096 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 98.5 78.3 5.07 3306 100.0 63000 11147 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 96.1 76.4 4.95 3303 98.4 63000 11522 1.100 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 93.8 74.5 4.83 3298 100.0 63000 10919 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 95.9 80.5 5.21 3292 99.5 63000 11328 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 105.0 86.2 5.59 3291 97.6 58073 11944 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 95.2 77.9 5.05 3285 98.1 63000 11339 1.100 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 101.0 83.0 5.38 3275 99.3 63000 11062 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100 103.9 81.6 5.29 3269 100.0 63000 10949 1.127 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 101.5 80.8 5.23 3262 98.1 63000 11110 1.104 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo 105.0 87.7 5.68 3244 99.2 51796 12302 1.160
ADI AR 2218 105.0 92.9 6.02 3224 90.3 51888 13184 1.170
Vihtavuori N150 91.6 71.8 4.65 3205 100.0 63000 9618 1.123 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 24N41 105.0 92.9 6.02 3144 85.0 54224 11704 1.170
Hodgdon H870 105.0 90.0 5.83 3135 92.2 48199 12455 1.222
Vihtavuori N170 105.0 86.2 5.59 3101 90.3 54370 11279 1.205 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon US 869 105.0 92.9 6.02 3087 89.2 48084 11981 1.222
Hodgdon 50BMG 105.0 88.5 5.73 2944 77.0 45989 10899 1.254
SNPE Vectan SP 13 105.0 89.1 5.77 2912 86.3 43241 10832 1.291
Vihtavuori 20N29 105.0 93.8 6.08 2869 82.2 41595 10816 1.302
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520 105.0 89.1 5.77 2846 83.4 41026 10525 1.316
Accurate 8700 105.0 89.3 5.78 2830 84.0 39927 10456 1.318


RL25 rox!

 

[bullet]

POP, I got some RL-25 and also some MRP and RL-22. So I will start with RL-25, MRP and IMR7828 and RL-22, becaue I want the velocity as well as accuracy.

Man, If I can get there with the E-Tip and that plastic tip opening up that thing with the energy and momentum of that 150gr bullet that would really be a devastating killer. I will have the following energy:

Energy:
Muzzle 3849
100yds 3327
200yds 2868
300yds 2463
400yds 2106
500yds 1791

JD338 was right - what a Hammer!!!!

 

[FOTIS]

Cartridge : .300 Weath. Mag.
Bullet : .308, 150, GS-Custom HV
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.560 inch or 90.42 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch or 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 63000 psi, or 434 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

130 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma MRP 101.8 87.5 5.67 3484 99.9 63000 13045 1.112 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 103.6 87.1 5.65 3478 98.1 63000 13353 1.107 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 102.3 86.5 5.60 3466 98.5 63000 12942 1.097 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 103.8 90.8 5.89 3462 96.9 63000 13384 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 103.9 86.5 5.60 3452 99.3 63000 12856 1.112 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 103.9 86.5 5.60 3452 99.3 63000 12856 1.112 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 103.9 86.5 5.60 3452 99.3 63000 12856 1.112 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 103.3 85.9 5.57 3450 98.4 63000 12818 1.095 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 105.0 92.3 5.98 3427 98.6 60226 12972 1.123 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 105.0 92.3 5.98 3421 98.5 59859 12979 1.126 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy) 105.0 92.1 5.97 3416 98.4 59510 12978 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 100.2 82.0 5.32 3412 99.1 63000 12218 1.100 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 105.0 85.8 5.56 3411 98.0 62767 12525 1.114 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 100.7 82.9 5.37 3407 99.2 63000 12276 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 96.1 78.6 5.10 3405 100.0 63000 11741 1.106 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 91.0 79.2 5.13 3402 99.8 63000 11965 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 93.3 81.8 5.30 3401 100.0 63000 11886 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 101.4 83.5 5.41 3399 99.2 63000 12183 1.109 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 105.0 85.5 5.54 3394 98.8 59594 12732 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 97.9 80.1 5.19 3384 100.0 63000 11060 1.126 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 98.7 81.3 5.27 3383 99.0 63000 11977 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 95.6 81.3 5.27 3383 99.0 63000 11977 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 98.7 81.3 5.27 3383 99.0 63000 11977 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 95.9 78.1 5.06 3380 100.0 63000 11409 1.120 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 95.9 78.1 5.06 3380 100.0 63000 11406 1.120 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 93.2 78.4 5.08 3380 100.0 63000 11541 1.123 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 102.8 85.5 5.54 3378 97.3 63000 12143 1.105 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 103.8 81.9 5.30 3376 100.0 63000 11562 1.126 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 99.4 78.3 5.07 3374 100.0 63000 11381 1.137 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 100.6 79.3 5.14 3370 98.5 63000 11883 1.109 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 100.9 84.0 5.44 3364 99.6 63000 11728 1.128 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214 105.0 89.7 5.81 3358 97.9 58412 12444 1.133 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame 92.5 76.1 4.93 3357 100.0 63000 11017 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 105.0 84.0 5.44 3356 97.4 56675 12656 1.151 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 99.6 80.8 5.24 3351 98.3 63000 11691 1.109 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 93.6 75.6 4.90 3325 99.6 63000 11221 1.118 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 105.0 86.0 5.57 3325 100.0 53422 12350 1.188
IMR 4007 SSC 90.7 75.7 4.90 3324 99.6 63000 11213 1.118 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 93.6 74.1 4.80 3316 100.0 63000 10561 1.136 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 91.2 73.4 4.76 3314 100.0 63000 10576 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 105.0 84.0 5.44 3313 96.6 59041 11951 1.138 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET 90.4 72.0 4.66 3310 100.0 63000 10558 1.109 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208 90.1 72.0 4.66 3310 100.0 63000 10558 1.109 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 105.0 85.5 5.54 3309 99.3 60680 11368 1.138 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064 90.9 70.7 4.58 3302 100.0 63000 10373 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 105.0 82.9 5.37 3291 97.9 60658 11355 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 92.6 71.2 4.62 3271 100.0 63000 10016 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700 91.7 78.0 5.05 3270 99.5 63000 10590 1.122 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150 96.2 74.7 4.84 3263 100.0 63000 9956 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140 92.8 73.4 4.76 3262 100.0 63000 9915 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2 105.0 86.4 5.60 3226 96.3 48851 12674 1.250
Vihtavuori N135 92.5 69.0 4.47 3216 100.0 63000 9264 1.138 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N570 105.0 91.1 5.91 3211 90.0 47180 13345 1.262
Accurate 3100 105.0 81.7 5.30 3192 99.5 53404 11147 1.233
Hodgdon H1000 105.0 85.5 5.54 3160 95.5 48446 11859 1.236
Hodgdon Retumbo 105.0 86.9 5.63 3074 96.9 41787 12291 1.331
ADI AR 2218 105.0 92.1 5.97 3025 85.0 42147 12609 1.325
Vihtavuori 24N41 105.0 92.1 5.97 3005 81.3 44700 11295 1.296
Vihtavuori N170 105.0 85.5 5.54 2985 87.3 44271 10976 1.328

 

[bullet]

POP, there is not that much difference in velocity about 50-60fps. I will try the E-Tips first because they are cheaper and easier to get a hold of and only if they fail to give me good accuracy would I even try the 150gr GS. The E-Tip will have better down range performance than the GS because the BC of the GS 150gr is not as good as the E-Tip. We will see.

 

[Richracer1]

Per Nosler #6 for a 150gn and 300WBY using ET loading directions:
(listed fastest fps to slowest)
Powder Start Max
IMR4350 76* 78
IMR7828 85 87^
IMR4831 77* 79
RL-19 77* 79
H4831** 81* 83

* Most accurate load
** Most accurate powder
^ Compressed load

Good luck

 

[GB300wm]

JD338, I have decided to only use the Sierra 165gr HPBT at 2950fps with my 06 and not the GS HV. If the E-Tip performs at all under and inch I will use it in my 300Wby for my long shots and terrain that demands a rifle and cartridge that can Reach out and Touch Them. :lol: 8) In fact I would rather reach out to 400yds with a 150gr bullet than a 100gr bullet at 425yds. Yes, I like a 300Wby better than I like a 257Wby. Did I say that????? Don't shoot me GB300wm!!!!!!! :lol:

Don't worry bullet. I won't shoot except to get that 300 wby from you. That happens to be my favorite also. It's a hammer in the literal sense. :grin:

 

[FOTIS]

Post your results. I am really curious.........

 

[bullet]

Post your results. I am really curious.........

No problem, I have already prepared and primed the brass (Weahterby and Fed 215 primer) Brass same length, primer pockets squared, and will be setting the over all length a little short of where I would seat the TSX. Also, the weather will be just right for Thrusday morning and Lord willing I will be there.

If anyone has advice that would seem to make more since concerning my seating depth mentioned above let me know, I will not seat bullets until about 9:00pm Central time.

 

[bullet]

JD338, I have decided to only use the Sierra 165gr HPBT at 2950fps with my 06 and not the GS HV. If the E-Tip performs at all under and inch I will use it in my 300Wby for my long shots and terrain that demands a rifle and cartridge that can Reach out and Touch Them. :lol: 8) In fact I would rather reach out to 400yds with a 150gr bullet than a 100gr bullet at 425yds. Yes, I like a 300Wby better than I like a 257Wby. Did I say that????? Don't shoot me GB300wm!!!!!!! :lol:

Don't worry bullet. I won't shoot except to get that 300 wby from you. That happens to be my favorite also. It's a hammer in the literal sense. :grin:

I thought you would get a kick out of that one.

 

[JD338]

I would think you should be able to get 3200+ fps with the 150 gr E-Tip.
Hammer time! :lol:

JD338

JD338, I hope to get 3350-3450fps and if I can which I think I can with ease and no pressure problems, I could really reach out with the BC of the 150gr E-Tip. You talk about a gas-line rifle and round. 400yds will be it's point blank if I can get 3400fps. Should, I have reached over 3500fps with a 150gr bullet before with this rifle. What ever happens it will be an education for sure.

bullet,

this is my SWAG, I don't have a good feel on the E-Tip yet. If you had said PT or AB, I would have been thinking 3400+/- 50 fps right along with you.

JD338

 

[bullet]

I would think you should be able to get 3200+ fps with the 150 gr E-Tip.
Hammer time! :lol:

JD338

JD338, I hope to get 3350-3450fps and if I can which I think I can with ease and no pressure problems, I could really reach out with the BC of the 150gr E-Tip. You talk about a gas-line rifle and round. 400yds will be it's point blank if I can get 3400fps. Should, I have reached over 3500fps with a 150gr bullet before with this rifle. What ever happens it will be an education for sure.

bullet,

this is my SWAG, I don't have a good feel on the E-Tip yet. If you had said PT or AB, I would have been thinking 3400+/- 50 fps right along with you.

JD338

JD338, I don't think any of use really have a good feel for the E-Tip yet and won't until it is tried in a lot of different rifles of the same caliber. I am just hoping the theoretical data is close to right. :grin:

 

[bullet]

The 150gr E-Tips are ready to go with an OAL of 3.6195"

 

[FOTIS]

Love them pictures bullet!!!!

 

[bullet]

Love them pictures bullet!!!!

I have always had good subjects and it is like my sight picture when hunting, hold it steady, while I put just enough presser for the trigger to break, GOT HIM!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)

 

[buckfever]

Can't wait for a range report I better tell my dad to try some 150 E tips in his 300 bee sounds like a good idea Bullet.

 

[bullet]

Can't wait for a range report I better tell my dad to try some 150 E tips in his 300 bee sounds like a good idea Bullet.

Tomorrow morning will begin to give some idea at least in my 300Wby. I actually am looking forward to the experience and hope my feeling of good to excellent results take place. I will admit that in my 30-06 the OAL was very, very touchy and I really never quit found the sweet spot. I think it was me and not my rifle. Also, I gave up to quick because of other loads that were so good. I will try and hang longer with this rifle and the load work.