30/06 212 ELD X StaBall 6.5

SJB358

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Dec 24, 2006
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Well, my curiosity kinda got the best of me. Jorey and I, along with a few others were bad mouthing the old 30-06 and somebody put up some charts and I got to looking at them and thought maybe the 06 has some steam to push some of the newer higher BC’ed bullets. So I went out for a ride on the scoot and stopped at my local bait and bullet store to see what they had. I scored 7lbs of the VV N570 powder, 8lb jug of Staball 6.5, a box of 212 ELD X and a box of Sierra 300 SBT for my 375.

It’s nice to have bags!



So off to home I went.

I sized up some fired Lapua cases and measured the distance to the lands in my P64 with an ELD. Went 3.415 to the lands. I said to myself, this just may work. I know my guns functions best at 3.4 or under so they’ll have a little jump. I checked Hodgdons data and started with their minimum charge and fired it over the Magnetospeed.

50 grains was the min




That went 2400 so I kept loading 1 and shooting see where it went. Well, I pushed past their max load, which I wouldn’t suggest for new loaders, but having an accurate chrono makes me feel okay with loading to their speeds and since it’s loaded to about 59k PSI I knew I had a little wiggle room at the top.

I stopped at 58 which is a full 4 grains over their max change and almost 100 FPS faster. So once I had some data I wanted to work in the 2650-2700 range.

I dropped back to 56 and went up to 57.6 and came up with two nodes in there that look pretty good.




I loaded 6 rounds each of 56.5 and 57.3.



Just for notes if you’re tracking I also used CCI250’s for a primer.

So I haven’t ran it through a calc yet, but a .676 BC doesn’t fair too bad at distance. And 2700 will never tear one up.

I think you could do about the same with a 280 and the 180 ELD as well which’ll whoop them 06 some but they aren’t too far off.

Hopefully I can shoot it soon and I’ll report back. It’d be kinda neat if they shot decent. That’s a pretty powerful combo really and not horribly slow either. I can’t imagine many elk or deer that’d shrug one off and if they shot decent I’d be willing to take it into elk country.
 
That's a great way to compare the .280 and the .30-06!
How badly do the heavy bullets beat you up?
That's the other reason why I like the .280, it won't loosen any fillings when you shoot it, sometimes like the 06 and heavier cals can.
I'm curious to see what can be done with the .280, and some RL-26, the 175 ELD-X, or the 180 ELD-X.

Hawk

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HAWKEYESATX":3ruhg3cp said:
That's a great way to compare the .280 and the .30-06!
How badly do the heavy bullets beat you up?
That's the other reason why I like the .280, it won't loosen any fillings when you shoot it, sometimes like the 06 and heavier cals can.
I'm curious to see what can be done with the .280, and some RL-26, the 175 ELD-X, or the 180 ELD-X.

Hawk

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Doesn’t feel too bad. It’s about 8lbs flat with the 3x9 SS on top.




cha":3ruhg3cp said:
Good stuff SJB.

Kevin

Thanks Kevin.
 
Guy Miner":30gihsey said:
Interesting!


I kinda figured you might dig it a little. I heard you talking about the Staball a bit. Figured I’d give it a shot.
 
Awesome Scotty, looking forward to the results.

Now we just need Hawkeye to wring out the 280 Rem with those 175's and 180's to compare 8)
 
Looks good Scotty! I do think a 212 at 2700fps would definitely smack an elk. Velocity and nodes look pretty dang good so I'm also very eager to see how they shoot for you! Keep us posted!
 
remingtonman_25_06":dj8upifc said:
I may have to do a little work up with the 24" KS 280, RL26 and the 180g ELDMs for a nice comparison :)

I think if you had the twist to stabilize them Jorey, you'd really have a lighter weight hammer.

Cartridge : .280 Rem.
Bullet : .284, 180, Hornady ELD-M 28503
Useable Case Capaci: 56.626 grain H2O = 3.677 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.330 inch = 84.58 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-26

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.742% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-07.4 96 53.69 2646 2799 48366 11056 100.0 1.364
-06.7 96 54.13 2668 2846 49733 11090 100.0 1.347
-05.9 97 54.56 2690 2893 51143 11124 100.0 1.330
-05.2 98 54.99 2712 2940 52597 11156 100.0 1.313
-04.5 99 55.42 2734 2988 54104 11188 100.0 1.297
-03.7 100 55.85 2756 3036 55656 11220 100.0 1.280 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 100 56.28 2778 3084 57260 11251 100.0 1.264 ! Near Maximum !
-02.2 101 56.71 2799 3132 58917 11281 100.0 1.249 ! Near Maximum !
-01.5 102 57.14 2821 3180 60632 11311 100.0 1.233 ! Near Maximum !
-00.7 103 57.57 2842 3229 62390 11340 100.0 1.218 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 103 58.00 2864 3278 64234 11368 100.0 1.202 ! Near Maximum !
+00.7 104 58.43 2885 3327 66130 11396 100.0 1.187 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.5 105 58.86 2907 3377 68092 11423 100.0 1.173 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.2 106 59.29 2928 3426 70118 11449 100.0 1.158 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 106 59.72 2949 3477 72207 11475 100.0 1.144 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.7 107 60.15 2971 3527 74362 11499 100.0 1.129 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 103 58.00 2977 3543 81334 10870 100.0 1.103 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 103 58.00 2685 2882 49525 11930 99.0 1.337


That's what a 24" 280 looks like to me. If you could get that thing around 2750-2800 man, talk about a portable package that would have some reach.
 
Now that is the best use of Saddle backs I have ever seen.
I love om 30.06
Great work Scotty
 
Thanks a bunch. I have some loaded using the Hodgdon 220 grain data, tho the 208 data looks pretty much the same other than the fps. Is there a Quickload for the combination? With reloader 17 at 2600 I got some good 100 yard groups. Hope the Staball does as well or better. Any word on whether it is more temp stable than Rx17?

Heavy cup and core at 2700 fps has forever been a good performer on big game.
 
Thanks for the QL data scotty. I'll load up a few here to see if theyll stabilize and go from there. It's looking like 2800fps should be pretty doable, I see 2850 actually at 58g... That's only 200fps off from the 7-300 mag!!
 
Excellent. I loaded some 212 ELDX with Superformance. Similar numbers but didn’t quite find 2700. Very nice.
 
Staball is supposed to be temp resistant. As far as better or worse than 17, no clue. I’ve never really had issues with it myself.

We shall see what happens on paper. If they’re like other hornady bullets, I’m betting they aren’t fussy and I will find a decent looking load.

No Staball in QL yet though.
 
remingtonman_25_06":9ufl9sx2 said:
I may have to do a little work up with the 24" KS 280, RL26 and the 180g ELDMs for a nice comparison :)
Yes, if you can do that for us, I would greatly appreciate it.
We're still in somewhat of a lockdown here, unfortunately.
If I weren't, I would gladly work up the 175's, not sure I have have fast enough twist for 180's and above. My TC Venture has a 1 in 10 twist.


Hawk

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Jorey’s might stabilize at his altitude. I don’t believe much slower than 9 twist will stabilize the 175/180 looking at the charts and even if they made round holes I bet it’d crush the BC of them.
 
gerry":2kbsypan said:
Awesome Scotty, looking forward to the results.

Now we just need Hawkeye to wring out the 280 Rem with those 175's and 180's to compare 8)
There's nothing more fun that I would like to do than that.
The QL data looks very interesting, and promising.

Hawk

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SJB358":37i6a9of said:
Jorey’s might stabilize at his altitude. I don’t believe much slower than 9 twist will stabilize the 175/180 looking at the charts and even if they made round holes I bet it’d crush the BC of them.
Agreed

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Amazing the speed pushing a 212 gr bullet like that out of an 06. Be very interesting to see how that old Pre-64 shoots that long heavy bullet. If accuracy goes along with that speed you got an extremely effective combination for big stuff like elk.
 
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