35 Newton

[SJB358]

What do you all think about this? You can still get cases, it is a rare bird, but very easily chambered in the 300 Win Mag length action. It looks pretty impressive on paper and I can't imagine many having one? Just thinking through some things... I always kinda liked the Newton stories of old..

Cartridge : .35 Newton
Bullet : .358, 250, Nosler PART SP 44801
Useable Case Capaci: 83.579 grain H2O = 5.427 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 63000 psi, or 434 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 107 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

127 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Somchem S365 106.2 81.4 5.27 2935 100.0 63000 8606 1.198 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Hunter 103.8 82.6 5.35 2933 99.8 63000 9288 1.195 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H414 98.0 79.9 5.18 2927 99.5 63000 9281 1.198 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 760 98.0 79.9 5.18 2927 99.5 63000 9281 1.198 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma MRP 107.0 86.0 5.57 2923 98.9 56267 10081 1.239 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 95.6 77.3 5.01 2922 100.0 63000 8734 1.186 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N550 100.4 79.0 5.12 2913 100.0 63000 9009 1.208 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma URP 103.3 78.8 5.10 2913 100.0 63000 8879 1.203 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 103.4 78.8 5.11 2912 100.0 63000 8877 1.203 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2209 107.0 82.0 5.31 2912 98.2 61967 9417 1.193 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4350 107.0 78.9 5.11 2902 100.0 62409 8829 1.223 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA4 106.0 81.6 5.29 2902 98.3 63000 9256 1.194 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 106.0 81.6 5.29 2902 98.3 63000 9256 1.194 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 204 102.6 81.6 5.29 2902 98.3 63000 9256 1.194 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-19 107.0 82.4 5.34 2894 98.2 60280 9447 1.213 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot BigGame 96.4 76.7 4.97 2891 100.0 63000 8549 1.204 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 11 96.6 76.8 4.98 2890 100.0 63000 8537 1.204 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 7828 SSC 107.0 84.7 5.49 2882 96.2 57132 9775 1.230 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 103.5 80.9 5.25 2882 99.3 63000 8948 1.206 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester Supreme 780 106.5 86.5 5.60 2878 98.3 63000 9011 1.196 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4895 93.1 71.7 4.65 2876 100.0 63000 8450 1.214 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 106.1 79.1 5.13 2871 100.0 63000 8142 1.203 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-15 93.9 72.3 4.69 2869 100.0 63000 8420 1.214 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 93.9 72.3 4.69 2869 100.0 63000 8420 1.214 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA11 93.9 72.3 4.69 2869 100.0 63000 8420 1.214 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S070 102.7 78.2 5.07 2866 99.5 63000 8798 1.218 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 107.0 82.4 5.34 2866 97.9 58864 9324 1.227 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 94.3 72.7 4.71 2866 100.0 63000 8354 1.215 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R904 106.6 81.0 5.25 2866 97.3 63000 8978 1.200 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H380 95.2 74.9 4.86 2863 100.0 63000 8555 1.217 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4350 105.4 79.4 5.15 2862 99.1 63000 8754 1.203 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4350 103.4 79.3 5.14 2861 99.1 63000 8738 1.203 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4831 107.0 78.9 5.12 2859 100.0 60191 8634 1.236 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203 old 95.7 74.5 4.83 2857 100.0 63000 8226 1.227 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 516 91.8 75.3 4.88 2855 100.0 63000 8460 1.210 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N560 107.0 84.2 5.46 2854 95.2 53627 9980 1.268 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation 97.1 75.4 4.89 2853 99.6 63000 8511 1.194 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S385 107.0 83.3 5.40 2851 98.8 59691 9027 1.239 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 97.9 74.6 4.83 2851 100.0 63000 8147 1.227 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4320 95.9 72.7 4.71 2850 100.0 63000 8111 1.201 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4895 90.6 69.8 4.52 2848 100.0 63000 8154 1.216 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2206H 91.0 70.1 4.54 2848 100.0 63000 8204 1.215 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S355 97.9 73.8 4.78 2846 100.0 63000 8168 1.222 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2213 107.0 83.3 5.40 2843 95.8 55733 9608 1.245 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 101.4 76.4 4.95 2842 99.9 63000 8472 1.220 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 9 91.6 72.9 4.72 2842 100.0 63000 8151 1.212 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R907 100.0 75.6 4.90 2840 99.1 63000 8625 1.215 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4007 SSC 96.9 75.7 4.91 2839 99.1 63000 8619 1.215 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA15 107.0 83.3 5.40 2833 97.1 52946 9688 1.279 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 107.0 83.3 5.40 2833 97.1 52946 9688 1.279 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 107.0 83.3 5.40 2833 97.1 52946 9688 1.279 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation 98.8 75.6 4.90 2832 99.9 63000 8296 1.205 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2208 96.3 72.0 4.67 2832 100.0 63000 8138 1.207 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon VARGET 96.6 72.0 4.67 2832 100.0 63000 8138 1.207 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S361 105.3 86.5 5.60 2832 96.5 63000 8778 1.212 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4831 SC 107.0 83.3 5.40 2829 95.7 58480 9137 1.230 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 107.0 87.6 5.68 2826 93.1 52486 9928 1.284 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064 97.2 70.7 4.58 2822 100.0 63000 7956 1.212 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.6 90.7 72.0 4.67 2818 100.0 63000 7705 1.233 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2520 90.7 72.0 4.67 2818 100.0 63000 7705 1.233 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S062 94.9 71.1 4.61 2818 100.0 63000 7835 1.226 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 3031 93.3 67.2 4.35 2817 100.0 63000 7533 1.222 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4064 99.8 71.9 4.66 2814 100.0 63000 7696 1.250 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N150 103.1 74.9 4.86 2802 100.0 63000 7685 1.223 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N540 93.6 72.9 4.73 2801 100.0 63000 7717 1.224 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R902 93.8 69.7 4.51 2799 100.0 63000 7698 1.230 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 202 91.3 69.2 4.49 2795 100.0 63000 7550 1.226 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP2 NT ~approximation 90.8 69.4 4.50 2789 100.0 63000 7625 1.214 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2700 97.9 77.9 5.05 2788 98.9 63000 8110 1.222 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2495 92.8 67.6 4.38 2784 100.0 63000 7396 1.258 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S060 91.5 68.6 4.45 2782 100.0 63000 7609 1.214 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2206 90.9 69.3 4.49 2770 100.0 63000 7491 1.215 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N140 93.4 70.6 4.57 2768 100.0 63000 7263 1.226 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R905 107.0 81.8 5.30 2759 94.5 51210 9212 1.303
Vihtavuori N135 99.3 69.4 4.50 2757 100.0 63000 7069 1.236 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Magnum 107.0 88.3 5.72 2755 94.5 48963 9644 1.317
Winchester WXR 107.0 81.5 5.28 2751 95.9 48343 9457 1.333
SNPE Vectan SP 12 107.0 88.0 5.70 2746 94.5 48514 9604 1.322
PB Clermont PCL 517 107.0 88.0 5.70 2741 94.2 48245 9597 1.326
Somchem S335 91.5 69.0 4.47 2727 100.0 63000 6994 1.237 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4831 107.0 80.1 5.19 2710 93.9 50908 8788 1.308
IMR 7828 107.0 80.1 5.19 2706 93.4 46970 9251 1.344
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 107.0 84.1 5.45 2702 91.4 49853 9022 1.317
Vihtavuori N133 93.2 65.7 4.26 2700 100.0 63000 6644 1.232 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AP 2214 107.0 85.6 5.55 2696 93.5 48417 9127 1.328
Alliant Reloder-25 107.0 82.0 5.31 2691 98.1 43612 9361 1.387
Vihtavuori N165 107.0 81.5 5.28 2686 96.7 49798 8455 1.329
Vihtavuori N160 107.0 79.0 5.12 2675 94.9 51162 8337 1.317
Norma MRP 2 107.0 82.4 5.34 2589 91.5 39062 9241 1.466
Lovex S071 107.0 78.0 5.05 2585 97.3 42959 8325 1.446
Accurate 3100 107.0 78.0 5.05 2585 97.3 42959 8325 1.446
Vihtavuori N570 107.0 86.9 5.63 2549 82.8 38030 9438 1.484
Alliant Reloder 33 107.0 90.6 5.87 2538 83.7 38055 9385 1.486
Hodgdon H1000 107.0 81.5 5.28 2531 90.1 40399 8552 1.446
Hodgdon Retumbo 107.0 82.9 5.37 2471 91.6 34895 8998 1.539
Lovex D100 107.0 88.7 5.75 2429 78.0 39887 7697 1.477
Vihtavuori N170 107.0 81.5 5.28 2395 81.5 35943 7804 1.551
Vihtavuori 24N41 107.0 87.8 5.69 2390 74.0 37230 7846 1.518
ADI AR 2218 107.0 87.8 5.69 2377 75.3 34940 8539 1.554
Hodgdon H870 107.0 85.1 5.52 2331 79.6 30481 8408 1.643
Alliant Reloder-50 107.0 89.2 5.78 2256 74.1 27362 8325 1.718
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 107.0 87.2 5.65 2244 68.1 28608 7699 1.711
Hodgdon 50BMG 107.0 83.7 5.42 2218 65.5 30302 7112 1.663
Hodgdon US 869 107.0 87.8 5.69 2212 69.1 29948 7167 1.674
SNPE Vectan SP 13 107.0 84.2 5.46 2167 73.5 27056 7149 1.744
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520 107.0 84.2 5.46 2105 69.8 25610 6825 1.788
Vihtavuori 20N29 107.0 88.7 5.75 2091 67.0 25458 6868 1.791
Accurate 8700 107.0 84.4 5.47 2068 68.6 25309 6619 1.801
Vihtavuori N32C Tin Star 99.7 38.3 2.48 2008 100.0 63000 3174 1.394 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
NC A3502 ,test only 107.0 80.6 5.23 1951 47.5 25419 4909 1.821
TLP A 502(RH) ,test only 107.0 80.6 5.23 1931 51.5 23555 5257 1.872
ADI AS 25 BP 107.0 27.8 1.80 1696 100.0 38573 2404 1.719
IMR TrailBoss 107.0 27.8 1.80 1696 100.0 38573 2404 1.719
V1734 7-multiperf ,test only 107.0 80.6 5.23 1391 23.4 13633 2395 2.417

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[DrMike]

Yeah, but you can't go scoping that rifle. It's against the rules. You gotta' keep it period authentic.

 

[muleman]

Scotty,
Very Cool!
Where can you get Newton Brass?
Scott

 

[SJB358]

Scott, I found cases from Quality Cartridge, they are somewhat pricey, but I would think an initial buy of 100-200 cases would last me a long time.

I "think" the 35 Newton resembles the 375 Ruger alot as well. Waiting to hear if that is something that could be used for case forming, should times get tough as well. I know there is no real sense in the cartridge, as a 358/375 Ruger would guarantee cases, but I also think 8x68S cases could be used as well. Not totally sure yet, still in the info collection operations.

I really dig the 30 and 35 Newtons. They say the original 264, 458, 338 and 300 were the original short mags, but I kinda think Newton was almost 40 years in front of them. Should they have been released today, I am thinking the Ruger case would not be a thought... Marketing I guess...

Mike, this rifle will be built for hard hunting. I would like a set of sights put on it, but it will for sure get a scope. Again, I am not building anything just yet and still haven't decided on anything as I do like the 358 Norma alot as well.

http://www.newtonrifles.com/Newton_Model_Types.swf

 

[DrMike]

It would be interesting to find a Model 1916 in 35 Newton and/or a Model 1922 in .256 Newton. Those are two cartridges that would be interesting.

 

[onesonek]

Well,,,,here's my thoughts if I were looking for something in that performance range.
First off, I would go with a wildcat on less costly but maybe more readily available brass.
Intial cost would be a bit higher however, with reamer charges, and custom dies.
Second, I would go with the 8x68S and leave full length, and simply neck up. This would need a longer action being 2.657 against 2.520 , but so what,,,imo.
I would have the reamers made for a .020" body taper, and a 30^ shoulder. This would increase volume, yet still have reliable feeding. I don't know what quite what the numbers would be, but thinking the 250 could be driven in the 3000+ fps range

Now one could do it with .375 Ruger brass, but with a .010" larger casehead,,,,how that would all work out exactly, I need to investigate alil deeper. But necking it down, isn't going to leave what I would want for a neck.
I would still go with a "magnum length action", keeping from deeper seating and reducing capacity.
Although a single feeder would be my choice, beit falling block or bolt.
As for doing the 35 Newton (or 68S) in an Encore, there is no way one can run the cartridge to it's potential. They barely are adequate for the standard belted casehead.

Point is, if I'm going custom build in such a round,,,,might as well do it my way. Couple hundred bucks more in a wildcat just ain't that big of deal. Yet on brass that is 30% cheaper.

 

[SJB358]

The good thing is brass for the 35 Newton can be made with 8x68S cases. So that actually makes the Newton a little sweeter of a deal to be honest. I can get properly headstamped brass OR I can use the 8x68 brass for the operation. The 375 Ruger case is pretty close to the Newton as well, with just a little different shoulder angle.

I am wanting to do this in a Model 70 action, and I kinda wanna stick with the 3.4"-3.5" COAL, so I think I will have enough space for powder. I can probably swap out the mag box on the M70 for the 375 Length max box to gain me a little mag breathing room.

Again, I am still researching some. Trying to think about what barrel I would like on the rifle. I see Krieger makes a 1-10 and 1-12 for the 358's. I am thinking a #3 Contour or a #4 fluted for the rifle. Not super sure on either one of those yet though. I am thinking of finishing it at 25" though. Just to be the odd ball!

It is a long range build to be totally honest. It would be cool to have it for hunting next Fall (2013), but I wouldn't be broken hearted to not have it.

If any of you all have ideas for 35 cal barrels, I would like to hear them. I know certain barrels are better with certain calibers, but I have no favorites really, PacNor, Bartlein, Krieger, Brux, etc? Doesn't really make a difference to me. Just want a good one.

If you all have other ideas, send them. I am all about hearing your ideas..

 

[Oldtrader3]

Aside from being unbelted, what advantage does the .35 Newton have over the .358 Norma Mag? You can get cases for and Norma ammunition for the .358 Norma, even though it is not exactly commonly availible. Just a thought?

 

[onesonek]

Yeah I see your point Scotty,,,,I had a brainfart on the forming 68S down. (also, I was sorta looking at more capacity) :lol:
But what you really need, is an Encore with a .35-74R Keith, to go with the other Encore's we have discussed

I have been really impressed with Pac-Nor Super Match Stnls. My Gunsmith says it's some of the best blanks he's worked with. And I do like the way they shoot.

 

[Guest]

I believe I'm with OT3. I can't see any advantage over the Norma, even in "cool factor." And I see a host of disadvantages in terms of hassle and cost when it comes to forming brass. I'm pretty sure Norma will always have 358Norma brass available. Not so sure about 35Newton. If I built one, I'd buy several hundred rounds of brass just to be on the safe side.

I have to add a qualifying statement to my comments, as I'm sure it colors them. I've always wanted a nicely matched pair of CRF actioned, AAA walnut stocked rifles in 308Norma and 358Norma. To continue Scotty's nomenclature, those two would end up being called Thor's Twins.

 

[muleman]

I believe I'm with OT3. I can't see any advantage over the Norma, even in "cool factor." And I see a host of disadvantages in terms of hassle and cost when it comes to forming brass. I'm pretty sure Norma will always have 358Norma brass available. Not so sure about 35Newton. If I built one, I'd buy several hundred rounds of brass just to be on the safe side.

I have to add a qualifying statement to my comments, as I'm sure it colors them. I've always wanted a nicely matched pair of CRF actioned, AAA walnut stocked rifles in 308Norma and 358Norma. To continue Scotty's nomenclature, those two would end up being called Thor's Twins.

dubyam,
What a great name for a pair of great rifles. I think you should do it! Thor's Twins....... reminds of a story about an old girl friend.............. well, not here maybe at elk camp some day.

 

[SJB358]

Aside from being unbelted, what advantage does the .35 Newton have over the .358 Norma Mag? You can get cases for and Norma ammunition for the .358 Norma, even though it is not exactly commonly availible. Just a thought?

Yeah, I have looked at the Norma as well. It is in the running of sorts. The 35 Newton does beat it by 100-150FPS with 250's though. The real reason is I liked reading about the Newtons' back when I was a younger lad. Pretty sweet cartridges for the time they were invented. There are cases out there for it, price difference between the Norma and the Newton is a decent gap, but I wouldn't plan to be cycling through tons of them either. I imagine if I invested in a couple 100, I would have enough to last me a long time..

I believe I'm with OT3. I can't see any advantage over the Norma, even in "cool factor." And I see a host of disadvantages in terms of hassle and cost when it comes to forming brass. I'm pretty sure Norma will always have 358Norma brass available. Not so sure about 35Newton. If I built one, I'd buy several hundred rounds of brass just to be on the safe side.

I have to add a qualifying statement to my comments, as I'm sure it colors them. I've always wanted a nicely matched pair of CRF actioned, AAA walnut stocked rifles in 308Norma and 358Norma. To continue Scotty's nomenclature, those two would end up being called Thor's Twins.

I kinda lump the Newton/Norma and even the Ruger based 358 in the same lot. Dies might be a touch cheaper for the Norma, but that is about where it stops. After that, it all kinda comes out in the wash. I wouldn't be trying to save any money with any of them. If that were the case, I would keep running my 338WM...

I do want it built on an M70 action though. Been looking a little at barrels and see many different ones that I like. Want a slightly faster twist in order to make sure it'll handle the heavyweights as well. It would be pretty fun to fling 200's really fast and then chug the big 310's out there as well..

Keep it coming. I am liking all this feedback. I am a nut when it comes to this. Might have to make a morale call to a few barrel makers and see what they say as well. Might even have to call some reamer manufacturers!

 

[muleman]

Scotty,
I'm going to swim up river on this one and say go with the Newton. It may be easier or a little cheaper to do it another way or use a different caliber but it won't be a "NEWTON". Just buy your brass up front and make sure a reamer is availible. The Model 70 is the right way to go for this caliber. I'm going to to do a 338Rum on a model 70 real soon and what I found was that it is cheaper to find an action already set up for the RUM than to take a standard action and modify it with a longer magazine etc.. I found a model 70 Black shadow in 300RUM and picked it up for $600 and all I need is to rebarrel. I don't know the exact dimensions of the Newton but I bet all you'd have to do is work on the feed ramps a bit. Plus you'd have the additional length to load out long. I think there is a lot of potential with rebirthing some of these older cartridges and using modern componets. Follow your dream! There is no satisfaction like it!
Just imagine that gun in your hands, you look down at the engraved caliber marking on the barrel and it says "35 NEWTON"

Scott

P.S. Got the Whelen today - she's got very nice wood for a Ruger.

 

[IdahoCTD]

I would do a .35-.375 Ruger. First of all the dies would be easy and the brass would be simple as well. For dies you could have a .375 Ruger die made into a bushing die for a FL. If you buy Hornady dies you can swap out the insert to a .35cal for the seater and be done. Hornady also makes generic neck dies in .35cal. The Ruger case is a standard magnum bolt face (.532) instead of the odd ball 8x68 (.512 not sure what the Newton is). The case capacity of the Ruger is closer to a 8mm Mag so performance would fall between the Newton/.358 Norma and the STA but closer to the STA. I would expect 2950-3000fps out of 250's and 3100-3150 out of 225's in a 26" barrel. I would skip the fluting unless you want it for looks. Small contours don't lose much weight with fluting. The thing is going to kick so I'd do a #5 contour with a brake. If you use a rather light stock it still should be under 9lbs scoped.

I know your a .35 fan but I'd probably just do a .375 Ruger and be done with it. No wildcat stuff to mess with and it will do everything the .35 will do just better. Shoot , 250 Sierra's, 250 TSX's, or 260AB's at around 3000fps and it will flat hammer elk. I've shot a couple elk past 500yds with my .375-.358STA and it puts the hurt on them.

I'd probably order a Krieger or Bartlein but if I could get a Brux considerably quicker you could do one of those too.

The down side to the Newton is resale if you ever sell it. People would rather buy a wildcat that has easily available brass and easy to form over a obsolete caliber that requires a ton of work to form.

 

[Oldtrader3]

I am actually old enough to know someone who used a .30 Newton for deer and elk hunting. Not very common now, the Newton cartridges, but they were something in their day.

I know that you guys really are enthusiasts of the .35 caliber rifle for hunting. I also know that Gun Nuts need to own some weird stuff to fulfill their particular passion for calibers and rifles. That is why we all have rifles that are not .30-30's or .30-06's exclusively.

Maybe I am dense and I am certainly getting old but I have been able to find all that I need for power and accuracy right here in Blight, Washington with the various .338 caliber rifles, on up through .340 Weatherby which I have own or have owned. Plus, I can usually buy cases at any outlet which carries a large selection of reloader stuff. I can even use .308 cases for the .338 Federal which I do mostly. This really fulfills my need for medium cartridges and also gives me a wide selection of cases and bullets to load, so why change? Just an opinion from the other side. I know, different strokes for different folks makes the shooting world go round!

 

[JD338]

Or you could do a .358-300 RUM and turn the big 35 into a freight train. I bet you could get real close to 3100 fps with a 250 gr PT.
Talk about an elk hammer...

JD338

 

[SJB358]

Yeah, that would be a beast Jim, without a doubt. I have looked at the 358 UMT a little. Read a great article on it as well. Just not sure how easy it is to get a RUM M70 for the build. They are kinda rare..

 

[FOTIS]

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =288226911

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[SJB358]

Fotis, that rifle would be the first one I would buy should I ever run across enough loot! It is just about everything I want in a big 35 Cal!

 

[FOTIS]

It is a dandy. Heck it is only $$$$