35 Whelen AI

[truck driver]

I'm probably going to cause some disenchantment with this but I can't help myself.
I'm sending my M70 off to JES for a .358 Bore and 35 Whelen AI chamber. I have been looking at different web sites for info and remembered I had Scotty run me some QLs for someone else and was looking at the Data for RL 17 with a 225gr Sierra and I'll be danged if it doesn't show more muzzle velocity with a lot less powder than a 338 Win mag with the same weight Nosler and that was only a near max load on QL and a max load in the Nosler manual.
Does that 40 degree shoulder really give that much more performance in the Whelen?

 

[gerry]

No it won't give much more than the standard Whelen at equal pressures to matter since the shoulder that will be blown out is so small to begin with. The 35 Whelen AI is still a good round however, maybe run light bullets in the standard since they shoot so well and something heavier in the AI?

 

[truck driver]

That's the plan Gerry unless it shoots better than the M700 and then I might retire it. :mrgreen:

 

[preacher]

Hey there truck driver- I think the 35 WAI case works so well with R15, H322, etc. because it is almost a straight case with a great expansion ratio. I have had no issues with mine....love it! :grin: In fact, my 35 WAI "has" replaced my 338s and 300s! My Barnes 200 TTSX at 2950fps sighted +3"@100 is only -3" low at 300...that's pretty flat for a 200gr bullet! I can get 2700 easily with multiple reloadings, with the 250 Partition and R15. I have done 2750 with it but it was pretty warm, and I backed it down a tad. I used 53.5gr of the old 2015br and the old Barnes 250X for 2600 with mild pressures, back in '95. It shot through some tough, heavy muscled plains game like hot butter! You are going to love it!

 

[gerry]

That's the plan Gerry unless it shoots better than the M700 and then I might retire it. :mrgreen:

You would have less "overlap" than most guys who have a 270 and 280 or even a 30-06 and then load the typical deer bullets that weigh pretty much the same.

 

[truck driver]

Here's what caught my eye (quote) in QL.

Step% -02.0 Fill% 106 Charge grains 70.56 Vel fps 2913 Energy ft lbs 4240
P-Max psi 58489 P-Muz %8604 Prop Burnt MS 99.9 B_Time 1.132

And there is still one load yet to go before you reach max dangerous loads.
Granted you may not be able to get 70.56 to shoot good it still exceeds what is published in Noslers Manual for a 225gr AB by 100fps for the 338 Win Mag with less powder to do it.

Would I ever try that load? Probably not but you have to admit it is interesting.

 

[sask boy]

Rodger it is always fun to try something a little different and if you do go with the 1-12 twist you can still play with some of the heavier weights as well. 35 Whelen AI just has a cool factor !!
I am looking forward to this build please keep us up on it if possible.


Blessings,
Dan

 

[truck driver]

Dan It has been a long time taking shape but I'm doing my best to make it a reality. I hope to have more to say as things develop.

 

[JD338]

Good luck with your rebarrel. The 35 Whelen AI should be right on the heels of the 338 Win Mag.

JD338

 

[truck driver]

Thanks Jim, I'm looking forward to this and hoping to get a little more flexibility with it.

 

[SJB358]

Good luck. Can't wait to see what it does. Nothing about that and a 338 would leave too much on the table.

 

[lanman]

Here's what caught my eye (quote) in QL.

Step% -02.0 Fill% 106 Charge grains 70.56 Vel fps 2913 Energy ft lbs 4240
P-Max psi 58489 P-Muz %8604 Prop Burnt MS 99.9 B_Time 1.132

Would I ever try that load? Probably not but you have to admit it is interesting.

I'm very curious to know if it is even possible to put 70 grains or RL-17 in a 35WAI case....
I run 67 grains in my standard Whelen case.. and that is a case FULL!!

I am also considering a new barrel and an AI'd chamber, so I am interested in what you get out of yours.

 

[truck driver]

Here's what caught my eye (quote) in QL.

Step% -02.0 Fill% 106 Charge grains 70.56 Vel fps 2913 Energy ft lbs 4240
P-Max psi 58489 P-Muz %8604 Prop Burnt MS 99.9 B_Time 1.132

Would I ever try that load? Probably not but you have to admit it is interesting.

I'm very curious to know if it is even possible to put 70 grains or RL-17 in a 35WAI case....
I run 67 grains in my standard Whelen case.. and that is a case FULL!!

I am also considering a new barrel and an AI'd chamber, so I am interested in what you get out of yours.

When I get everything put together I'll be posting my findings here for everyone to see.
Preacher sent me 6 cases he fire formed, 3 from Nosler 30-06 brass and 3 from Remington 35 Whelen brass so I'll have something to set the dies up with when they arrive. Ianman I'm not looking to get a high velocity increase which I don't think will happen but I do look to get some increase in case life and less stretch.

 

[nvbroncrider]

That's the plan Gerry unless it shoots better than the M700 and then I might retire it. :mrgreen:

You would have less "overlap" than most guys who have a 270 and 280 or even a 30-06 and then load the typical deer bullets that weigh pretty much the same.

And what's that thing you call "overlap" Gerry? 7X57 280 and 280AI?

 

[SJB358]

That's the plan Gerry unless it shoots better than the M700 and then I might retire it. :mrgreen:

You would have less "overlap" than most guys who have a 270 and 280 or even a 30-06 and then load the typical deer bullets that weigh pretty much the same.

And what's that thing you call "overlap" Gerry? 7X57 280 and 280AI?

Guilty as well... :lol:

 

[DrMike]

That's the plan Gerry unless it shoots better than the M700 and then I might retire it. :mrgreen:

You would have less "overlap" than most guys who have a 270 and 280 or even a 30-06 and then load the typical deer bullets that weigh pretty much the same.

And what's that thing you call "overlap" Gerry? 7X57 280 and 280AI?

Guilty as well... :lol:

There is a lot of that going on around here. :twisted:

 

[Elkman]

See if your like me you have managed and traded them away, it takes a long time but is worth the effort. I now have a . 308, 30:06, 30:06AI, 300 WM, and a 300 Weatherby Mag, see how easy it is no "overlap" at all. :? :? :?

Sorry for high jacking the post I just couldn't resist.

 

[SJB358]

See if your like me you have managed and traded them away, it takes a long time but is worth the effort. I now have a . 308, 30:06, 30:06AI, 300 WM, and a 300 Weatherby Mag, see how easy it is no "overlap" at all. :? :? :?

Sorry for high jacking the post I just couldn't resist.

Your grounded Bill :lol:

I think you have a couple of 7's kicking around as well don't you? :mrgreen:

 

[gerry]

That's the plan Gerry unless it shoots better than the M700 and then I might retire it. :mrgreen:

You would have less "overlap" than most guys who have a 270 and 280 or even a 30-06 and then load the typical deer bullets that weigh pretty much the same.

And what's that thing you call "overlap" Gerry? 7X57 280 and 280AI?

I know guys that have several 300 magnums, that "might" be considered overlap :lol:

 

[JD338]

No such thing as overlap. No such thing as overkill either.

JD338