Your right Pop, I guess you are correct on that. I just wouldn't have imagined the 180gr BT would have acted quite like that, they actually look pretty stout in the sectioned bullets I have seen. I have a buddy that shoots them out of a 300WBY and mainly hunts elk/deer with them. Cannot get him to change. They would worry me a little at the 300 Mag speeds though. I figure the AB is probably the best compromise going for someone who wants a High BC'ed bullet that will hang together at high speeds. Velvetants pictures showed that I think. I had pretty good luck with the 140gr AB in my 270WSM on elk. Still, when I think elk, I think the worst possible case and plan for the best, so heavy and Partition are usually what I would like! Scotty