I know that Nosler has their hands full with the offerings they already have, but it never hurts to ask! Nosler is probably the best bullet company out there for listening to the customer. Being in California, I'm looking for more E-tips. Specifically, a 100 grain 6.5mm as well as 100 grain and 120 grain 7mm. Monolithic bullets seem to like high impact velocities and Pena trate very well for their weight. I'd like to be able to capitalize on that. Anyone else thinking the same?
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Guy Miner
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It's been a few years since I used a mono-metal bullet. That was the 100 gr, .25 cal Barnes TSX. Those little rascals worked well.... I really ought to try the E-Tip. Never have.
Afraid that someday some idiot is going to make lead bullets illegal to shoot here in Washington and I'll be stuck with thousands of them.
Guy
Afraid that someday some idiot is going to make lead bullets illegal to shoot here in Washington and I'll be stuck with thousands of them.
Guy
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I have answered this a couple of times before. I will be brief. I have killed two elk with the Barnes line of bullets. Both standing, both required a second shot. I expected it on the first one, did not on the second. I "feel" that if I would have had a Partition, a second shot would not have been required, on the second elk. A while back I posted some pictures of recovered Partitions, I believe there were 5 or 6 of them. It took two hunters over 40+ years and a lot of elk to recover those bullets. As stated above I have killed two with the Barnes bullets and recovered one bullet. For me pretty much proof of my bullet choice.
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Bill, I have not killed nearly as many elk as you have. In my 50 years of using Partitions on deer, I have recovered only one 130 gr, .270 Win Partition from a Pronghorn stem to stern shot, under the skin of the left hip, shot at about 200 yards.
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If you hunt out of state, you can use whatever you want? California is the only western state with lead ammo restrictions.
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desertcj":mi2nfg7e said:
I like the E-Tip, having used it to take several moose, elk and deer (both whitetail and mule deer). To be certain, I used larger cartridges than one of my 6.5 mm cartridges for these animals (270 WSM, 280 Rem, 7mm WSM, 300 WSM, 325 WSM, 358 Win and 35 Whelen. I picked up some E-Tips to load in the .243 I bought for my grandson. Using a 90 grain E-Tip, I worked up a great load for a gent shooting a 6mm Rem. I'll we looking at an E-Tip load for my 257. For years, I've used TSX and X-bullets to take a variety of game from numerous cartridges. They do like higher velocities and they do penetrate deeply. I believe it is correct to state that as liberalism spreads, we will see an ever greater number of laws mandating non-lead projectiles. It makes liberals and fuzzy-thinking individuals feel good, believing they are helping nature.
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I'm not sure how this turned into a political debate and suggesting that I just hunt out of state isn't very helpful. The fact is that I live in California, I hunt deer and black bear here and it has to be done with lead free bullets. I'm not SOL or anything, I'd just like a 100 grain E-tip for a 260 and a 100 grain and 120 grain for the 7mm-08. I'm sure the guys with bigger engines wouldn't mind cranking them up to warp speed either!
Guy Miner
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Desertcj (cool handle by the way. Show us your Jeep?) I understand that you live and hunt there, and I sympathize. I grew up in California, and later was stationed there in the Marines. Some excellent hunting opportunities existed, and continue. Wild hogs & bear come to mind, as well as blacktail deer opportunities... And I've seen some HUGE elk in California.
But yes, you're stuck with no-lead rifle bullets.... Barnes is one answer, but those soft, pure copper slugs can cause fouling problems. Been there...
I like your idea of expanding the E-Tip line.
Washington and Oregon have both been targeted as possibly going to no-lead bullets. It's worth considering laying in a supply of unleaded bullets.
Years ago we had to go to no-lead birdshot for waterfowling. Now I have to use no-lead shot when hunting chukar & huns in upland game conditions, sometimes miles from the nearest large body of water...
I still think it's smart to work up a good no-lead hunting load, and hang onto some unleaded rifle ammo, just in case some politician rams through a liberal agenda... Couldn't happen in Oregon & Washington? Hah!
FWIW, Guy
But yes, you're stuck with no-lead rifle bullets.... Barnes is one answer, but those soft, pure copper slugs can cause fouling problems. Been there...
I like your idea of expanding the E-Tip line.
Washington and Oregon have both been targeted as possibly going to no-lead bullets. It's worth considering laying in a supply of unleaded bullets.
Years ago we had to go to no-lead birdshot for waterfowling. Now I have to use no-lead shot when hunting chukar & huns in upland game conditions, sometimes miles from the nearest large body of water...
I still think it's smart to work up a good no-lead hunting load, and hang onto some unleaded rifle ammo, just in case some politician rams through a liberal agenda... Couldn't happen in Oregon & Washington? Hah!
FWIW, Guy
Guy Miner
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Good observation that the light-for-caliber mono-metal bullets tend to work really well....
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I have a few Jeeps actually. Desertcj is just a name I've been using online for half my life. I'm no stranger to E-tips. Several years ago I posted a thread here when I shot a hog with the 90 gainers out of my .243. I recovered both of the slugs. They worked well, but the range was short and the impact velocity was high.
DesertCJ. I understand how one sometimes cannot move from an intolerably liberal state for one reaon or another. sometimes one makes a decision to just say, "To hell with it. I'm outta here!" I lived in San Francisco and in 1968 when Feinstein was mayor, that's exactly what I did. I quit my job, packed what stuff that would it in my car and left for Nevada. Tough times for a while but they got better. Lots better.
I've been playing with the TSX bullet in a .257 Bob, 7x57 and .35 Whelen. Hit perfection in seating depth on the Whelen first try out. Still looking for it in the other two. I think I might be getting close in the .257 with the 100 gr. TSX but the 120 and 140 gr. bullets in the 7x57 so far are not cooperating.
Here in Arizona, monometal bullets are not yet mandatory although in the Kaibab National Forest hunters are asked to voluntarily use them as the area is part of the condor flyway. So far it is voluntary but I wonder for how much longer before it becomes mandatory?
Paul B.
I've been playing with the TSX bullet in a .257 Bob, 7x57 and .35 Whelen. Hit perfection in seating depth on the Whelen first try out. Still looking for it in the other two. I think I might be getting close in the .257 with the 100 gr. TSX but the 120 and 140 gr. bullets in the 7x57 so far are not cooperating.
Here in Arizona, monometal bullets are not yet mandatory although in the Kaibab National Forest hunters are asked to voluntarily use them as the area is part of the condor flyway. So far it is voluntary but I wonder for how much longer before it becomes mandatory?
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DesertCJ, I am not trying to make your life difficult. I lived and worked in California for 15 years and left in 2003. In fact my oldest son just moved back there.
Pertaining to the subject of lead bullets, I have spoken to the Chief Biologist in Washington state and she has no intention of banning lead projectiles, except for waterfowl which makes sense. I liked living in California and it is a beautiful state. I used Barnes bullets while I lived there.
I just, being retired, can not handle the taxes, traffic, poor and expensive medical treatment and cost of housing there on a fixed income. I also am disabled and it makes a big difference where I live. Additionally, my house was robbed several times while I lived in LA and the police do not hardly care! They won't even come out to fill out a theft report.
We all have to make choices in life and I had to make mine. No dis on California or its people, just the politicians!
Pertaining to the subject of lead bullets, I have spoken to the Chief Biologist in Washington state and she has no intention of banning lead projectiles, except for waterfowl which makes sense. I liked living in California and it is a beautiful state. I used Barnes bullets while I lived there.
I just, being retired, can not handle the taxes, traffic, poor and expensive medical treatment and cost of housing there on a fixed income. I also am disabled and it makes a big difference where I live. Additionally, my house was robbed several times while I lived in LA and the police do not hardly care! They won't even come out to fill out a theft report.
We all have to make choices in life and I had to make mine. No dis on California or its people, just the politicians!
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Sadly OT3, it may not be up to the Chief Biologist.
It was the people who outlawed the use of dogs for hunting cougar & bear, and the practice of baiting bears... Over the objections of the WDFW.
One of the ramifications of living with the vote, is that the majority can be wrong. There has been considerable talk of expanding the "condor range" into other states than California, all the way up into our Columbia River gorge.
BTW, lead shot is already banned for more than just waterfowl - if you're hunting on some lands, upland game hunting. Using the excuse of protecting waterfowl, where there are no waterfowl... Politics and common sense don't always go together.
DesertCJ, sorry we got off topic. Tends to happen around here sometimes! :mrgreen:
I haven't been able to recognize some of my own threads after they took a few twists & turns on the forum!
Guy
It was the people who outlawed the use of dogs for hunting cougar & bear, and the practice of baiting bears... Over the objections of the WDFW.
One of the ramifications of living with the vote, is that the majority can be wrong. There has been considerable talk of expanding the "condor range" into other states than California, all the way up into our Columbia River gorge.
BTW, lead shot is already banned for more than just waterfowl - if you're hunting on some lands, upland game hunting. Using the excuse of protecting waterfowl, where there are no waterfowl... Politics and common sense don't always go together.
DesertCJ, sorry we got off topic. Tends to happen around here sometimes! :mrgreen:
I haven't been able to recognize some of my own threads after they took a few twists & turns on the forum!
Guy
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It's all good. We got a 2015 wish list out of it! It was the state legislature that voted to ban lead. It had nothing to do with a biologist and unfortunately we just have to deal with it for now. I have a wife, two kids, a house mortgage that I just got into and a decent job when they aren't super easy to come by. I would love to leave this liberal state one day and I'm sure that I will but for the next 8 to 10 years I have to stay here...
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I understand, been there, done that!
