Cutting Edge Bullets Recovered

[IdahoCTD]

A buddy of mine recovered these after several attempts. Every bullet tumbled. I'm not impressed and I was going to do a few builds based on the CEB bullets. They were shot into a water jug that was in front of several wet phone books. These are 7mm 160gr bullets. It looks like it just caved in the nose and never opened.

I might have to change my .416 barrel order into something else now. It's too late for my .375 order so it's still going to happen. I might have to call CEB and see what their take is on it.

BTW they were shot out of a .284win. at 35yds.

 

[DrMike]

Penetration has to be good, but I agree with you that the failure to open up is disconcerting.

 

[JD338]

That sure doesn't look too good for a game bullet.

Tough to beat a Nosler PT for bone crushing power and penetration. I know it lacks BC but it has predictable on game performance. Just a few extra clicks on the dials and you can put it where it needs to go. Same can also be said for the AB.

JD338

 

[Guy Miner]

Tumbled before or after hitting the target?

 

[IdahoCTD]

Penetration has to be good, but I agree with you that the failure to open up is disconcerting.

Despite them tumbling it was good. He shot two prior to these and they blew through 7 phone books. With the water jug in front of the phone books these stopped in 5.

I think part of the problem is the hollow point is only about .100" deep and really small in diameter to give it that BC. There probably isn't enough tissue being shoved in the hole to peel it back or it peeled back and ripped the pedals right off. To me it looks like it caved the nose in.

Jim,

It's not only clicks. Once you drop below a certain velocity bullets don't like to open and that comes at a lot shorter distance with a lot lower BC. You also shed of ton of energy.

I'd love to see Nosler make a high BC heavy shank Ballistic Tip patterned after a Amax or similar bullets in the heavier calibers. I think a BT would be a better choice for long range then the AB just because they will open at lower velocity. I was a little disapointed with the 300gr AB's because the bearing surface was so long compared to other 300gr bullets and I'm sure it hurts the velocity some and lowers the BC. The nose profile also makes it hard to seat the bullets out further with the shorter throats. I've shot a lot of Nosler bullets for a long time but it appears to me they are falling behind some of the other companies in respect to high BC heavy bullets. I know I shoot less of them then I use to because of it.

 

[IdahoCTD]

Tumbled before or after hitting the target?

Guy,

They tumbled after hitting the wet phone books. The phone books are tied together. He said they pencil holed through the first 3 books and then went through several books sideways.

 

[Guy Miner]

Interesting. Just wanted to make sure I understood. I've seen bullets "tumble" in flight, landing sideways on target, and have also seen them start tumbling once they hit or started penetrating a target.

Interesting bullet. As with the others, I'd like to see more expansion for most game animals, but there it is.

 

[FOTIS]

MTH bullets?

 

[IdahoCTD]

Yes the match/target/hunting bullets Fotis. The same ones you have for your .375.

 

[JD338]

Good point on the lower BC and shorter range.

The 338 300 gr AB does have a long bearing surface but I am getting pretty good speed from my 338 RUM, 2742 fps.
I shot them out to 800 yds and the advertised BC of .720 seems to be spot on for me here at 1500' above sea level.
I was also able to recover 2 in water jugs at 300 yds, both were in the 8th jug which is some serious penetration.

JD338

 

[Mooswa]

I just got some of their NonCon and Raptor bullets to try.

 

[IdahoCTD]

I just got some of their NonCon and Raptor bullets to try.

I was a little disappointed in the BC of the Raptors. I was hoping they would shape them more like the MTH bullets. The good thing about brass is it is lighter so you can get the same BC with a lighter bullet that can be driven faster and has less recoil. The performance is suppose to be phenomenal with the NonCon's though.

 

[FOTIS]

NonCon ??????????????????????

 

[Mooswa]

I just got some of their NonCon and Raptor bullets to try.

I was a little disappointed in the BC of the Raptors. I was hoping they would shape them more like the MTH bullets. The good thing about brass is it is lighter so you can get the same BC with a lighter bullet that can be driven faster and has less recoil. The performance is suppose to be phenomenal with the NonCon's though.

Yes I have heard good things about the NonCon's and plan to try one in the next month or so on a bear hunt. I won't have time to play with the Raptors until August when I get out of the bush, but plan to use them in the fall for deer and moose.

Will see how it goes.

 

[IdahoCTD]

NonCon is non-conventional or brass. The other brass bullets before the Raptors.

 

[FOTIS]

I wonder how that raptors work on game. I have some in 375 cal 230 gr.

BC of .490 at 3300 fps Not too bad but on game??????????

 

[IdahoCTD]

I would bet they work great on game Fotis. I had some bullets years ago called Lion Bullets that were brass and they worked really well. The guy made them to shoot lions in Africa and apparently they flattened lions quite well.

The more I think about it I think the depth of the hollow point is to blame. Because the bullet has a really narrow tip the bullet probably opened and it ripped the pedals right off since they were really thin. The mushroom that was left is because it got down to where it was thick enough to not be ripped off. If the hollow point was deeper it would keep peeling back, without tearing, and the frontal diameter would be bigger like a Barnes. The tumbling thing is a concern though. I might have to get a few from him and do some modifications on the lathe :mrgreen: .

 

[SJB358]

Pretty interesting stuff Nathan. Thanks for posting it up though. Always cool to see what different bullets do.

 

[Mooswa]

Fotis I also have the 230 grain Raptors in .375 and 130 grain Raptors that I am going to try in the old .30-06. Plan on using the .375 on a moose and the .30-06 for deer, so will advise how it pans out on the reloading and in the field. This spring I am going to use the 275 grain NonCon's in my .375 on bear.

 

[Mountain Goat]

Those bullets are worthless to hunters. Personally, if the difference in B.C. alone determines whether or not I hit the animal, then I need to get closer. :wink: