Getting The 358Win Ruger Hawkeye - It's done.

[FOTIS]

Cartridge : .358 Win.
Bullet : .358, 225, Nosler PART SP 44800
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.780 inch or 70.61 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch or 558.8 mm
Powder : Accurate 2495

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 91 36.80 1984 1966 26230 5288 94.3 1.558
-18.0 93 37.72 2035 2069 28155 5428 95.4 1.514
-16.0 95 38.64 2086 2174 30238 5559 96.3 1.472
-14.0 97 39.56 2137 2282 32493 5680 97.2 1.430
-12.0 100 40.48 2188 2393 34935 5791 97.9 1.390
-10.0 102 41.40 2239 2505 37581 5891 98.5 1.350
-08.0 104 42.32 2290 2620 40451 5980 99.0 1.306
-06.0 106 43.24 2341 2737 43567 6056 99.4 1.264
-04.0 109 44.16 2391 2857 46954 6120 99.7 1.223
-02.0 111 45.08 2441 2978 50642 6170 99.9 1.184 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 113 46.00 2491 3101 54664 6205 100.0 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 116 46.92 2541 3226 59060 6231 100.0 1.110 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 118 47.84 2590 3352 63876 6253 100.0 1.075 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 120 48.76 2639 3480 69165 6272 100.0 1.041 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 122 49.68 2688 3611 74990 6287 100.0 1.009 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 125 50.60 2737 3744 81427 6298 100.0 0.977 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 113 46.00 2596 3368 69350 5837 100.0 1.052 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burni









Cartridge : .358 Win.
Bullet : .358, 225, Nosler PART SP 44800
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.780 inch or 70.61 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch or 558.8 mm
Powder : Accurate 2495

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 91 36.80 1984 1966 26230 5288 94.3 1.558
-18.0 93 37.72 2035 2069 28155 5428 95.4 1.514
-16.0 95 38.64 2086 2174 30238 5559 96.3 1.472
-14.0 97 39.56 2137 2282 32493 5680 97.2 1.430
-12.0 100 40.48 2188 2393 34935 5791 97.9 1.390
-10.0 102 41.40 2239 2505 37581 5891 98.5 1.350
-08.0 104 42.32 2290 2620 40451 5980 99.0 1.306
-06.0 106 43.24 2341 2737 43567 6056 99.4 1.264
-04.0 109 44.16 2391 2857 46954 6120 99.7 1.223
-02.0 111 45.08 2441 2978 50642 6170 99.9 1.184 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 113 46.00 2491 3101 54664 6205 100.0 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 116 46.92 2541 3226 59060 6231 100.0 1.110 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 118 47.84 2590 3352 63876 6253 100.0 1.075 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 120 48.76 2639 3480 69165 6272 100.0 1.041 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 122 49.68 2688 3611 74990 6287 100.0 1.009 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 125 50.60 2737 3744 81427 6298 100.0 0.977 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 113 46.00 2596 3368 69350 5837 100.0 1.052 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burni

 

[bullet]

POP, you have out done yourself, thanks for the confirmation of using Accurate 2495. WOW!!! that is cool :grin:

ps - I have all my hunting life wanted a 358Win in something but just did not take the leap. At least at this point in my life it is not a blind leap. This has really been fun researching this cartridge and load data. WOW!!! lots of options for sure. This will be a ball.

 

[BK]

Just noticed you signature line - nice!

I didn't mean to trash Burris. Thinking back, my cousin had a Savage .308 done up as a scout rifle. I seem to recall that was a pretty fair scope.

 

[bullet]

Just noticed you signature line - nice!

I didn't mean to trash Burris. Thinking back, my cousin had a Savage .308 done up as a scout rifle. I seem to recall that was a pretty fair scope.

BK, it is really fine with me if someone comments on a scope and for some reason does not like the scope or company. I was having fun when I said, my scope was trashed. Glad you like my signature line. I thought it was cool. I have for years used the 06 and from all of the guys who have nothing to say but good concerning the 358Win I thought the ending to my signature was more than appropriate.

 

[DrMike]

I am not trashing Burris, they make some good glass. Neither am I arguing against putting a 3 x 9 on a 358 if that is what is desired. I do believe that judging antlers and points is easier to do with a clear set of binoculars than with a rifle scope. The bottom line is that the Hawkeye is well able to wear a Fullfield on top. Without question, the better you see, the more positive your shooting experience.

 

[SJB358]

I think his scope will work fine for for the 358. It will be nice to have the extra magnification while load testing and 3X is pretty good for close in stuff. Scotty

 

[bullet]

What I am about to say is not a reflection on any of the previous posts so please don't take it that way nor assume I am singling any one person out.

What I find interesting is that when a lower priced scope is even considered we seem to have a debate about everything from power to being able to see. If I had put a 3-9x40mm Swaro on my 358Win I don't think there would have been as much, note I said "as much" to say about my choice. I own some nice scopes, if I put a Burris FF2 on my rifle there is probably a good reason for it and I do want something I can see with.

The reason is I will hunt hard with this rifle in places that I might even damage the scope and this rifle will not be babied like I would some of my other rifles. I have a back up I will take with me on hunts and it will be the other FF2 I own. It is clear glass, holds zero under the worst of conditions. For the money spent it is really a good deal. I feel it is a sleeper.

Is it the best glass by no means but with my eye sight this is good glass. Do I take good binos with me, you bet. Do I have time to always peruse a deer and decide if it is good to take using my binos? NO! Sometimes my rifle better be up and ready. As far as the FF2 is concerned, I like the design, roughed aspects of this scope, it's weight is not heavy, it's balanced and it looks good. For those of you out there on a budget this is one fine scope to invest in until you have the money to be fooled into thinking that the more you pay the better off you are (to an extent that is true but in the world of scopes the law of diminishing returns happens much, much faster).

Now you know that if I should shoot a group while working on my loads and all three touch, I guess the logic of a better scope used would be if I use a Leupold, Zeiss, Swaro, Monarch I would have had one whole.

What ever any of you do when it comes to a scope, if it shoots great with your rifle at the bench and you drop game with it consistently, then don't let the shooting world talk you out of it and don't apologize for the use of it. I think a scope whether expensive or not is a personal thing and some scopes whether low priced or high priced are a fit for some.

 

[SJB358]

Well spoken. I still have 4X Redfield Widefield on my 7mm Rem Mag. Seems to still work pretty well when the lenses are cleaned up and it holds a zero. I have been using it for over 15 years. Scotty

 

[FOTIS]

POP, you have out done yourself, thanks for the confirmation of using Accurate 2495. WOW!!! that is cool :grin:

ps - I have all my hunting life wanted a 358Win in something but just did not take the leap. At least at this point in my life it is not a blind leap. This has really been fun researching this cartridge and load data. WOW!!! lots of options for sure. This will be a ball.

YOU WILL LOVE IT!

btw do not discount your 357 mag bullets with unique powder. Who needs a 22 lr? I went through thousand of rounds with my 35's!


Cartridge : .358 Win.
Bullet : .357, 125, Nosler HP 42055
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.400 inch or 60.96 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch or 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant UNIQUE

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 20 6.40 1219 412 5890 1151 100.0 2.602
-18.0 21 6.56 1243 429 6148 1172 100.0 2.532
-16.0 21 6.72 1266 445 6409 1193 100.0 2.467
-14.0 22 6.88 1288 461 6672 1214 100.0 2.408
-12.0 22 7.04 1310 476 6937 1235 100.0 2.354
-10.0 23 7.20 1331 492 7205 1257 100.0 2.303
-08.0 23 7.36 1352 508 7476 1278 100.0 2.256
-06.0 24 7.52 1373 523 7750 1299 100.0 2.212
-04.0 24 7.68 1393 538 8028 1321 100.0 2.170
-02.0 25 7.84 1412 554 8309 1342 100.0 2.131
+00.0 25 8.00 1432 569 8593 1364 100.0 2.094
+02.0 26 8.16 1450 584 8880 1386 100.0 2.059
+04.0 26 8.32 1469 599 9171 1407 100.0 2.026
+06.0 27 8.48 1487 614 9466 1429 100.0 1.994
+08.0 27 8.64 1505 629 9764 1451 100.0 1.964
+10.0 28 8.80 1523 644 10065 1473 100.0 1.935

 

[Big Squeeze]

A 2x7 is more than adequate even out to 400 yards. And I think the 2x7 Fullfield is available in the ballistic plex if I`m not mistaken?.........You`ll have a wider FOV on the low end for short ranged hunting and 7x on the high end, which is more than enough for those 300-350 yard shots and for the capabilities of the 358 Win cartridge..........But, if you prefer the 3x9, go for it!

A 2-7 is not adequate for 400yds. I have shot all my life and a 7 is not adequate on deer at 250-300yds because I need to be able to see spread width and count points on a white tail. In some places I could be ticketed and on some leases I could pay a 100 dollars or more for a mistake and some places would not invite me back not to mention possibly loosing my license.

I have 20/20 in one eye and 20/10 in the other eye and at 300 yds seeing the spread width and counting points is all but impossible under some legal light and conditions to even see with a 9 power. Anyone who hunts a lot and has these requirements on buck knows what I am talking about. I don't always have time to throw up my binos and look through them when a buck is walking across a gas line or narrow area and if he is chasing does and I stop him for a moment with a grunt or some other means I need to have my rifle ready to fire. The 3-9x40mm is the minimum as far as I am concerned especially hunting white tail at any distance over 250 and beyond. Of course if I did not have to worry about the spread width or points on one side then I would get a lower power, or if I was only shooting game up close I would.

...........Maybe I`m a little far sighted then. On deer sized and larger targets, I have no problem set on 5x using my 1.5-5x20 VX3, in putting the crosshairs on the target at 400-500 yards........However, using your scope to check antlers and such may be a different story. You`ll need a 8x or 9x for that.
I use my 10x binocs for that purpose.

 

[bullet]

Well, there has been a delay and my 358Win will not be shipped until next Tuesday. That gives time for more reflection as I peruse over the load data I have collect. This way I can find common denominators within all the load data which could save me time and money and also keeps me on the safe and sensible side of max loads.

 

[SJB358]

Thats a good point. It should give you some time to get all of the componets together and ready to give that new rifle a ring out. Scotty

 

[JD338]

What I am about to say is not a reflection on any of the previous posts so please don't take it that way nor assume I am singling any one person out.

I own some nice scopes, if I put a Burris FF2 on my rifle there is probably a good reason for it and I do want something I can see with.

The reason is I will hunt hard with this rifle in places that I might even damage the scope and this rifle will not be babied like I would some of my other rifles.


I think a scope whether expensive or not is a personal thing and some scopes whether low priced or high priced are a fit for some.

bullet,

Good points.

My comments on Burris are based on personal experience. YMMV
http://noslerreloading.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8593

I am a big fan of the VX III 2.5x8 scopes and have a couple of them, including a Vari X III 2.5x8 on my 35 Whelen. IMO, this is one of the best scopes Leupold makes. The power range covers 90% of all hunting requirements. I have shot WT deer in the cedar swamps at 20 feet with the scope set at 2.5x and at 8x, I have no problem covering a 6" black bull at 500 yds.

Leupold makes very good quality scopes and their customer service is second to none. Should you ever have a problem, Leupold will promptly repair or replace the scope! I have used their custom shop to have M1 dials added to a couple scopes and the scope is back to me in 2 weeks!

I agree with you that optics are a personal decision and ones budget can often be the determining factor. I was raised to buy the very best you can afford. For optics, there are not many short cuts. Leupold stands behind their products and that means everything in my book.

JD338

 

[SJB358]

It is hard to change from Leupold if you have had good luck with them. Since I grew up in a shotgun county, we put scopes on our 12 gauges. We busted crosshairs and just really put alot of scopes out of commission. Not just cheap Bushnells and Tasco's either. We blasted Nikon's, Burris and the line. Leupold was the only scope that really held up "FOR US". I tried a Zeiss on a 300WSM Browning A Bolt and that rifle recoiled pretty heavily. It broke the Zeiss also. I know this is not conclusive that the others were bad scopes, but it made me realize I should just stick to Leupolds in the first place. I know we run Leupolds on our DMR rifles here in the Marine Corps and they are ABUSED. I haven't seen a failure, even with one rifle getting blown up by an IED. The stock was busted, but the scope was put on another rifle and rezeroed. They just plain work. But, I will never tell anyone they are making a bad decision with something else, they may really like them and have the best of luck with them. Sorry for the long post. Scotty

 

[bullet]

It is hard to change from Leupold if you have had good luck with them. Since I grew up in a shotgun county, we put scopes on our 12 gauges. We busted crosshairs and just really put alot of scopes out of commission. Not just cheap Bushnells and Tasco's either. We blasted Nikon's, Burris and the line. Leupold was the only scope that really held up "FOR US". I tried a Zeiss on a 300WSM Browning A Bolt and that rifle recoiled pretty heavily. It broke the Zeiss also. I know this is not conclusive that the others were bad scopes, but it made me realize I should just stick to Leupolds in the first place. I know we run Leupolds on our DMR rifles here in the Marine Corps and they are ABUSED. I haven't seen a failure, even with one rifle getting blown up by an IED. The stock was busted, but the scope was put on another rifle and rezeroed. They just plain work. But, I will never tell anyone they are making a bad decision with something else, they may really like them and have the best of luck with them. Sorry for the long post. Scotty

Question, I don't understand what on the Zeiss broke, help me out because their reticle is etched on the glass. Also, Luepold's have also been broken by others so because a scope goes down does not mean it's not a good product. And this warranty thing has complaints by others on Leupold's, in fact my gunsmith that works on my Weatherby's has had problems with Leupold that really frustrated him and I would be glad to put you in contact with him concerning his problems. What I am saying is there is problems with all manufacturing and their warranties at times. I will say Leupold ask to much for what you get for the buck. I would really like for this thread to leave the scope thing and get back to the 358Win and I am sorry I brought up the scope thing at all which has derailed this thread to some extent and I apologize for that. I will start a new reloading thread when I get the 358win and finish some beginning load work. thank you bullet

 

[SJB358]

Last note, and I will drop it also. The adjustments broke on the scope. Meaning, you could crank it and nothing would change. That is what I meant.

I was not saying that to conflict with anything and for all I know I could go home and all of my scopes could be broke, I was just saying that I have had luck with mine, as you have had great luck with your choice. Thats all. Sorry Bullet, it wasn't meant to offend or anything like that.

Back to the 358 it is! Hopefully we will both have some solid results once we start loading. I am excited to try out my new Co Ax press, and the 358 should be a good breaking in period for it. I am going to order some more 225gr Sierra and Nosler PT's and see where they take me. One of them should be ticket. Right now I am looking pretty hard at H322, H4895 and TAC as suggested on here. I am thinking one of those will get me what I am looking for. Scotty

 

[bullet]

Last note, and I will drop it also. The adjustments broke on the scope. Meaning, you could crank it and nothing would change. That is what I meant.

I was not saying that to conflict with anything and for all I know I could go home and all of my scopes could be broke, I was just saying that I have had luck with mine, as you have had great luck with your choice. Thats all. Sorry Bullet, it wasn't meant to offend or anything like that.

Back to the 358 it is! Hopefully we will both have some solid results once we start loading. I am excited to try out my new Co Ax press, and the 358 should be a good breaking in period for it. I am going to order some more 225gr Sierra and Nosler PT's and see where they take me. One of them should be ticket. Right now I am looking pretty hard at H322, H4895 and TAC as suggested on here. I am thinking one of those will get me what I am looking for. Scotty

Thanks, I just did not know what broke. :grin:

 

[bullet]

Last note, and I will drop it also. The adjustments broke on the scope. Meaning, you could crank it and nothing would change. That is what I meant.

I was not saying that to conflict with anything and for all I know I could go home and all of my scopes could be broke, I was just saying that I have had luck with mine, as you have had great luck with your choice. Thats all. Sorry Bullet, it wasn't meant to offend or anything like that.

Back to the 358 it is! Hopefully we will both have some solid results once we start loading. I am excited to try out my new Co Ax press, and the 358 should be a good breaking in period for it. I am going to order some more 225gr Sierra and Nosler PT's and see where they take me. One of them should be ticket. Right now I am looking pretty hard at H322, H4895 and TAC as suggested on here. I am thinking one of those will get me what I am looking for. Scotty

Scotty, I am looking forward also to the load work and see what the 358Win will do in accuracy and velocities out of a 22" Ruger.

 

[SJB358]

Hopefully the little Browning will be able to keep up! I think you are going to really like that Ruger, I wanted to buy one when I bought my wife hers in 308. Would have been cool to have two of them. They are pretty nice rifles in my book. Short, handy and very function driven rifles, and hers shoots pretty well. Still need to really work on it, but so far it is proving to be a great rifle. Scotty

 

[BK]

Has anybody played with a Browning BLR .358? I was thinking that might be a pretty decent dark-timber rifle for elk, but the only BLR I have ever really handled much is a .300 WinMag, and it was kind of a tree trunk handling wise.

225 Partition should be good for both elk and blacktail deer...