Load data needed

[257 Ackley]

I have a Rock River Coyote carbine gas gun that I am tring to find load data for the 64 grain Nosler bonded bullet. The Nosler manual #6 doesn't have any data on this bullet. My Sierra manual has info on a 63 grain RN bullet, but the charges seem kinda warm for a gas gun. I have been using Benchmark for the lighter 50-55 bullets, but realize this might not be the best for the heavier bullet. There is a good supply of Varget and R15 in the cupboard, so if anyone has used those with any success, chime in. Thanks

 

[JD338]

Joel,

I would think mid range loads would work well, getting you decent velocity and longer case life.
If you used the 63 gr load data, it should get you where you want to be.

This may also be a good resource for you.
http://www.predatormastersforums.com/fo ... hreads.php

JD338

 

[Guest]

In the Nosler 7, they show 4 powders for the BSB bullet.
Imr 4895 from 23 to max of 25, 2648 fps to 2894
Varget from 23 thru max of 25, 2648 to 2899
Benchmark from 21 to max of 23, from 2767 to 2906
Cfe 223 from 24 to 26 max, 2633 to 2932

All from a 26" barrel,
Nosler case, wsr primer

Hope that helps.
As soon as Nosler puts these out for general consumption, I plan on getting some myself.
Dewey

Ps. Hope I didn't break any rules posting manual data?

 

[257 Ackley]

In the Nosler 7, they show 4 powders for the BSB bullet.
Imr 4895 from 23 to max of 25, 2648 fps to 2894
Varget from 23 thru max of 25, 2648 to 2899
Benchmark from 21 to max of 23, from 2767 to 2906
Cfe 223 from 24 to 26 max, 2633 to 2932

All from a 26" barrel,
Nosler case, wsr primer

Hope that helps.
As soon as Nosler puts these out for general consumption, I plan on getting some myself.
Dewey

Ps. Hope I didn't break any rules posting manual data?

Thank you sir...that helps a lot. I wanted to use Benchmark and was guessing a starting load around 22 grains, so that puts me right where I wanted to be. I need to get a lb of the CFE 223 and try it...no I don't :roll: .

 

[Guest]

You are welcome!
FWIW, the Cfe load was listed as most accurate in the manual. :grin:
(you can't have too much powder :grin: )
Dewey

 

[nvbroncrider]

Joel and you did see my results with it in the 22-250! I haven't gotten around to playing with it in my EBR but I will once I finish off my 4198. And that stuff meters awesome I might add.

 

[SJB358]

I have a Rock River Coyote carbine gas gun that I am tring to find load data for the 64 grain Nosler bonded bullet. The Nosler manual #6 doesn't have any data on this bullet. My Sierra manual has info on a 63 grain RN bullet, but the charges seem kinda warm for a gas gun. I have been using Benchmark for the lighter 50-55 bullets, but realize this might not be the best for the heavier bullet. There is a good supply of Varget and R15 in the cupboard, so if anyone has used those with any success, chime in. Thanks

Your not going to hurt the gun buddy. I am not sure if your rifle is chambered for a 5.56 or 223 Rem, but if it is a 5.56, you actually get stiffer data than 223 Rem.

I used a 65 grains Sierra for the run down, but it should get you into the ballpark buddy.

Cartridge : 5.56 mm NATO - 5.56 x 45 mm
Bullet : .224, 65, Sierra SPBT 1395
Useable Case Capaci: 25.258 grain H2O = 1.640 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.260 inch = 57.40 mm
Barrel Length : 16.0 inch = 406.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

85 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant AR-Comp 106.0 23.9 1.55 2907 100.0 60000 10786 0.786 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 TZ ~approximation 105.4 23.9 1.55 2907 100.0 60000 10786 0.786 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 101.9 25.5 1.65 2893 96.4 60000 11699 0.787 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031 110.0 23.9 1.55 2888 99.1 57504 11543 0.801 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 109.6 25.5 1.65 2887 93.8 60000 11976 0.794 ! Near Maximum !
Nitrochemie A/S 0300 94.0 22.5 1.46 2881 100.0 60000 10897 0.794 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 104.4 26.5 1.72 2881 95.2 60000 11830 0.794 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 107.5 25.8 1.67 2876 97.2 60000 11528 0.801 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 107.5 25.8 1.67 2876 97.2 60000 11528 0.801 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 106.3 24.7 1.60 2865 94.5 60000 11641 0.796 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322 102.7 23.2 1.50 2865 98.8 60000 11056 0.789 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219 96.5 23.2 1.50 2865 98.8 60000 11056 0.789 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 110.0 25.6 1.66 2861 92.7 59485 11744 0.798 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 110.0 25.6 1.66 2861 92.7 59485 11744 0.798 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 110.0 25.6 1.66 2861 92.7 59485 11744 0.798 ! Near Maximum !
SF033 fl, russ. 5,45x39 97.2 23.1 1.50 2860 100.0 60000 10345 0.805 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335 96.7 24.6 1.59 2858 97.9 60000 11221 0.793 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 107.4 24.6 1.59 2858 98.0 60000 11235 0.797 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 110.0 24.2 1.57 2857 99.5 57334 11461 0.836 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 10 96.4 24.0 1.55 2856 97.9 60000 11207 0.796 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 106.5 24.8 1.61 2855 93.7 60000 11565 0.797 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 508 (PCL223) 96.3 24.0 1.56 2855 97.9 60000 11191 0.796 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507 103.3 25.1 1.63 2851 95.4 60000 11375 0.794 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC 100.5 25.0 1.62 2851 95.5 60000 11367 0.794 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator 94.5 23.6 1.53 2851 98.6 60000 11043 0.797 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 109.5 25.8 1.67 2850 97.8 60000 11265 0.796 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321 101.3 25.4 1.64 2849 95.7 60000 11412 0.799 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 110.0 25.6 1.66 2847 93.2 58265 11700 0.806 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 110.0 26.9 1.74 2847 91.4 58772 11830 0.790 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 102.2 23.9 1.55 2845 95.5 60000 11251 0.794 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9 107.0 25.7 1.67 2845 93.6 60000 11403 0.793 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x 100.1 22.0 1.43 2843 100.0 60000 10559 0.803 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 8208 XBR 104.4 24.3 1.58 2835 95.4 60000 11125 0.795 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140 109.5 25.0 1.62 2834 98.3 60000 10818 0.795 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901 105.8 23.4 1.52 2833 97.8 60000 11086 0.817 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 103.1 24.5 1.59 2833 95.4 60000 11242 0.807 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 100.2 25.0 1.62 2830 96.4 60000 11082 0.810 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5 100.2 25.0 1.62 2830 96.4 60000 11082 0.810 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341 105.0 26.3 1.71 2828 93.4 60000 11109 0.792 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516 106.8 26.5 1.72 2828 90.7 60000 11323 0.793 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12 102.1 24.2 1.57 2827 98.7 60000 10690 0.794 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2015 101.8 22.9 1.49 2825 99.8 60000 10456 0.808 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 200 90.9 21.9 1.42 2825 100.0 60000 10326 0.816 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902 109.7 24.6 1.60 2824 95.4 60000 11107 0.808 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2230 98.3 24.5 1.59 2819 96.3 60000 10883 0.806 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.4 98.3 24.5 1.59 2819 96.3 60000 10883 0.806 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4198 99.2 20.7 1.34 2810 100.0 60000 9796 0.787 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7 104.7 26.1 1.69 2808 90.6 60000 11098 0.802 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210 96.8 23.3 1.51 2808 96.4 60000 10733 0.797 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S062 110.0 24.9 1.61 2807 94.9 57468 11201 0.818 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2207 94.5 20.6 1.33 2806 100.0 60000 9682 0.802 ! Near Maximum !

 

[257 Ackley]

Thanks Scott -
That is good intel. It is a 5.56 X45 NATO. I prepped 200 cases last night and will be loading them up today. I don't see Benchmark listed in the load data.??? It must be less than a 90% fill. I was hoping to use that powder since I have about 7 lbs of it sitting in the cabinet and don't have anything else to use it in now that the .204 has been sold. Maybe it will work in the 45-70! My son is heading up to the cabin with some buddies to spend New Years eve and he wants to have it with him for some yotes and general plinking while up there.

What grease do you use on the bolt and other moving parts for your work rifles?

 

[257 Ackley]

Joel and you did see my results with it in the 22-250! I haven't gotten around to playing with it in my EBR but I will once I finish off my 4198. And that stuff meters awesome I might add.

I did see the great results Jake. My problem is the amount of powder I have sitting on my shelf that needs to be used in something. I had just bought an 8 lb jug of Benchmark for my .204 last spring and than sold the rifle in April after I got back from a p-dog shoot in Montana. I stocked up on a few powders when I went through Michigan last month on a business trip and can't justify buying anymore until some of the stock on hand gets used up. :roll: The gas gun isn't a real serious one-hole type of rifle for me (plinking and home-defense), but I do have a T3 Tikka in a .223 that I haven't started working loads up for yet. I am planning on shooting mainly 69-80 grain bullets in that rifle. The CFE and Benchmark might be a bit too fast burning for that heavy of a bullet. I wish Alliant still made the old R12 that Hercules used to make. That was my go-to powder for my 22-250 with 55 grain bullets! I put over 6000 rounds through a Ruger #1 with that combo. I am trying to find a gunsmith that will rebarrel that rifle, but nobody seems to want to work on #1's anymore. They must be difficult to rebarrel for some reason. I have a nice Brux Sendero contour barrel that I bought last summer waiting to go on it. It is going to be chambered for a 22X47 Lapua though instead of a 22-250.

 

[nvbroncrider]

The CFE is actually slower than Varget so it might really shine in your application. Mine will shoot consistant 1/2-3/4" opens up to about 3 inches if I put a whole clip through and pull the trigger as soon as my sights settle. I think it will surprize you. Do you have a 24 or 26" barrel.

 

[257 Ackley]

The T3 is a 24" barrel. USMC89 picked it up last spring from a guy that said it wouldn't shoot and he developed a load with the 75 Amax that was wacking p-dogs consistently past 600 yards. I watched him do "dial a dog" with that rifle and a NF scope for a day and decided I needed it. This was the main reason for deciding to make sure all the varminting barrels in the future have at least an 8 twist to stabilize the longer/heavier bullets.

I will more than likely get an 8lb jug of CFE next time I go through Michigan. :roll: It sure is nice to work with powders that meter well when you are pumping out a few hundred at a time for a varmint shoot! :mrgreen:

 

[SJB358]

Joel and you did see my results with it in the 22-250! I haven't gotten around to playing with it in my EBR but I will once I finish off my 4198. And that stuff meters awesome I might add.

I did see the great results Jake. My problem is the amount of powder I have sitting on my shelf that needs to be used in something. I had just bought an 8 lb jug of Benchmark for my .204 last spring and than sold the rifle in April after I got back from a p-dog shoot in Montana. I stocked up on a few powders when I went through Michigan last month on a business trip and can't justify buying anymore until some of the stock on hand gets used up. :roll: The gas gun isn't a real serious one-hole type of rifle for me (plinking and home-defense), but I do have a T3 Tikka in a .223 that I haven't started working loads up for yet. I am planning on shooting mainly 69-80 grain bullets in that rifle. The CFE and Benchmark might be a bit too fast burning for that heavy of a bullet. I wish Alliant still made the old R12 that Hercules used to make. That was my go-to powder for my 22-250 with 55 grain bullets! I put over 6000 rounds through a Ruger #1 with that combo. I am trying to find a gunsmith that will rebarrel that rifle, but nobody seems to want to work on #1's anymore. They must be difficult to rebarrel for some reason. I have a nice Brux Sendero contour barrel that I bought last summer waiting to go on it. It is going to be chambered for a 22X47 Lapua though instead of a 22-250.

I think Benchmark would be okay for your uses Joel.

Cartridge : 5.56 mm NATO - 5.56 x 45 mm
Bullet : .224, 69, Nosler CC HPBT 17101
Useable Case Capaci: 24.786 grain H2O = 1.609 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.260 inch = 57.40 mm
Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm
Powder : Hodgdon Benchmark

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 90 20.25 2541 989 41509 7225 93.8 1.107
-09.0 91 20.48 2568 1010 42789 7309 94.2 1.092
-08.0 92 20.70 2594 1031 44107 7391 94.7 1.077
-07.0 93 20.93 2620 1052 45466 7471 95.1 1.062
-06.0 94 21.15 2647 1073 46866 7550 95.5 1.047
-05.0 95 21.38 2673 1095 48309 7627 95.8 1.033
-04.0 96 21.60 2699 1116 49796 7701 96.2 1.019
-03.0 97 21.83 2725 1138 51329 7774 96.6 1.005
-02.0 98 22.05 2752 1160 52911 7845 96.9 0.992
-01.0 99 22.28 2778 1182 54541 7913 97.2 0.978 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 100 22.50 2804 1204 56223 7979 97.5 0.965 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 101 22.73 2830 1227 57959 8043 97.8 0.953 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 102 22.95 2856 1249 59749 8104 98.1 0.940 ! Near Maximum !
+03.0 103 23.18 2882 1272 61597 8163 98.3 0.928 ! Near Maximum !
+04.0 104 23.40 2907 1295 63505 8220 98.5 0.916 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 105 23.63 2933 1318 65474 8274 98.7 0.904 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 100 22.50 2922 1308 65623 7908 99.9 0.903 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 100 22.50 2648 1074 47048 7720 91.7 1.046

 

[257 Ackley]

Scott -
That data looks pretty good for the 69 CC. 2800 fps doesn't sound that fast for a varmint bullet, but if it is accurate...the p-dogs will explode! :lol: That will make a great cheap p-dog bullet if it shoots well! I am waiting on some rings for the .223 Tikka to get here so I can mount a scope and run a few rounds through it. I have Lapua brass that came with the rifle and plan on doing a volume test with them today to see how many grains they hold. Jeff had a really nice load with the 75 Amax, so I want to test that bullet as well. I also have a couple hundred 80 grain Scenars that I want to try and see if this 8 twist barrel will stabalize them while I'm testing all these different bullets.

 

[SJB358]

Let me know what you need Joel..

 

[257 Ackley]

All right buddy -
Give me the info for the 69 grain Scenar with Varget and R15. See what you get for the 80 grain Custom comp with those powders as well. Thanks