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[paolo65]

:grin: :grin: :grin:
I decided to go for a new rifle. Custom built on mauser 98 action.
But I have just a little problem: I don't know yet in which caliber :shock:
I would like to choose something bigger of 375 h&h, but I am not able to decide between 404 jeffery and 416 rem. Or I don't know, maybe something bigger... or different
This should be a rifle for hunting big bears, moose and very very big wild boars.
really I don't need another rifle because with my 9.3x62 and 375 hh I can do everything, but you know how these things are going on :roll:
So please give me some suggestions!
ciao,
paolo

 

[FOTIS]

If you have the 9.3 or 375 then you need a considerable jump in diameter.
I vote for the 416 .
Why? Well in my opinion the 416 is the most versatile of the big bores. They hit hard and have decent bullets for long range shooting (relative that is).
The 458 hits hard but it is not a 300 yard cartridge.
This is why I chose the 416 Wby and I keep begging for a 325 gr AccuBond.

Currently I use the GS Custom 330 grain at 3100 fps. That is power 7000 ft/lbs and can hammer elk at 400-500 yards EASY.
The 460 WBY would not do that with the same ease. This is the GS Custom.

 

[paolo65]

Ciao Pop.
416 weatherby?
I didn't consider it... Maybe it's a good idea 8)
Do you think that the 416 rem is not good enough?
Which is the suggested barrel length? I used the gs bullet in my 7x64 and I was happy of the result.
paolo

 

[FOTIS]

No your 98 will not house a 416 WBY.....WAY too big. I mean a 416 REM for your 98.

What I said is I chose the 416 WBY for the above reasons, and for the same reasons I would choose the 416 REm over the 458 Win.

404 Jeffrery is ok but you will be hunting for components , not game :lol:

This is what the 300 X will do from the 416

http://noslerreloading.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2691



LOADS indicate your 416 REM will launch a 300X at 2800 fps. That is 30-06 trajectory buddy!

Cartridge : .416 Rem. Mag.
Bullet : .416, 300, Barnes 'X' S 41680
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.600 inch or 91.44 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 61000 psi, or 420 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

84 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Winchester 760 104.3 89.2 5.78 2790 94.9 61000 8381 1.076 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 102.7 85.8 5.56 2788 98.8 61000 8047 1.080 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 100.9 78.9 5.12 2779 99.8 61000 7594 1.074 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame 105.0 84.9 5.50 2767 98.7 59508 8008 1.090 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 94.0 83.0 5.38 2759 99.6 61000 7808 1.096 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 91.5 79.7 5.16 2758 99.9 61000 7532 1.091 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 99.7 85.9 5.57 2756 95.6 61000 8174 1.093 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 99.9 80.8 5.24 2754 98.9 61000 7859 1.097 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031 99.1 74.9 4.86 2753 100.0 61000 7078 1.095 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 99.4 80.4 5.21 2752 98.5 61000 7886 1.097 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 99.4 80.4 5.21 2752 98.5 61000 7886 1.097 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 99.4 80.4 5.21 2752 98.5 61000 7886 1.097 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 105.0 86.8 5.62 2752 97.1 58267 8257 1.103 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 101.4 82.9 5.37 2752 99.5 61000 7784 1.101 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 105.0 90.5 5.86 2748 95.1 57607 8311 1.097 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 101.6 80.8 5.24 2744 98.8 61000 7606 1.085 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 103.6 82.0 5.31 2737 99.2 61000 7702 1.103 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 100.7 83.2 5.39 2733 97.3 61000 7887 1.101 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 102.2 80.0 5.18 2731 100.0 61000 7274 1.092 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 96.1 80.1 5.19 2731 100.0 61000 7303 1.107 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9 96.9 80.9 5.24 2730 98.9 61000 7645 1.099 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507 93.3 78.8 5.10 2726 99.6 61000 7476 1.102 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516 97.0 83.6 5.42 2726 97.2 61000 7780 1.097 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC 92.7 78.6 5.09 2726 99.7 61000 7461 1.102 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321 91.5 79.7 5.16 2724 99.7 61000 7503 1.106 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 105.0 79.4 5.14 2719 100.0 60319 7244 1.123 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 98.9 80.9 5.24 2718 100.0 61000 7269 1.105 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 92.5 75.2 4.87 2715 99.7 61000 7373 1.104 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 96.6 76.8 4.98 2713 100.0 61000 7113 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341 95.1 82.8 5.36 2712 98.8 61000 7437 1.100 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208 101.6 79.7 5.17 2712 98.3 61000 7560 1.100 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET 101.9 79.7 5.17 2712 98.3 61000 7560 1.100 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 97.7 74.8 4.85 2707 100.0 61000 6904 1.125 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322 92.3 72.5 4.70 2707 100.0 61000 6874 1.104 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064 102.7 78.4 5.08 2704 98.5 61000 7428 1.103 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 93.2 77.0 4.99 2703 99.7 61000 7379 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 105.0 81.6 5.29 2702 99.0 58239 7623 1.123 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902 99.2 77.3 5.01 2694 99.6 61000 7284 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140 104.9 81.5 5.28 2692 99.5 61000 7192 1.105 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 90.1 78.2 5.07 2690 99.9 61000 7129 1.118 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N135 105.0 77.0 4.99 2687 100.0 60718 6619 1.112 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 102.3 83.9 5.44 2687 94.0 61000 7692 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901 95.3 73.2 4.74 2683 100.0 61000 7006 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12 92.2 76.0 4.93 2679 100.0 61000 6725 1.111 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 105.0 84.5 5.47 2674 94.5 53466 7989 1.127 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 105.0 84.0 5.44 2672 96.2 53051 7947 1.137 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark 93.9 74.8 4.85 2672 99.8 61000 6975 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 105.0 84.0 5.44 2671 96.2 53005 7943 1.137
Rottweil R907 105.0 83.4 5.40 2671 93.7 59928 7653 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206 96.1 76.9 4.98 2663 99.2 61000 7041 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 95.2 77.0 4.99 2657 99.1 61000 7005 1.114 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2015 91.2 71.3 4.62 2650 100.0 61000 6371 1.127 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 105.0 87.7 5.68 2648 90.2 54982 7825 1.125 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S335 96.6 76.5 4.95 2647 100.0 61000 6568 1.125 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 105.0 84.5 5.47 2642 98.6 48172 7878 1.163
Accurate 2700 103.2 86.2 5.59 2634 93.5 61000 7210 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N133 98.3 72.8 4.72 2631 100.0 61000 6190 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N130 92.7 70.1 4.54 2617 100.0 61000 6107 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150 105.0 80.1 5.19 2615 99.3 54936 7100 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 105.0 84.9 5.50 2561 88.6 49998 7532 1.168
Raufoss RA4 105.0 84.9 5.50 2561 88.6 49998 7532 1.168
Accurate 4350 105.0 81.2 5.26 2558 94.7 47214 7664 1.230
ADI AR 2209 105.0 84.5 5.47 2540 87.6 48182 7525 1.179
Alliant Reloder-19 105.0 84.9 5.50 2528 87.7 46911 7564 1.193
Norma MRP 105.0 88.6 5.74 2525 87.7 43319 8063 1.240
Rottweil R904 105.0 83.7 5.43 2512 86.8 49405 7183 1.184
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 105.0 84.9 5.50 2503 87.2 46007 7436 1.203
IMR 4350 105.0 81.3 5.27 2502 87.0 47941 7243 1.197
Somchem S385 105.0 85.9 5.56 2486 89.0 45550 7348 1.250
IMR 7828 SSC 105.0 87.2 5.65 2476 82.5 44518 7482 1.237
Vihtavuori N560 105.0 86.8 5.62 2457 81.5 42151 7607 1.262
ADI AR 2213 105.0 85.9 5.56 2454 82.2 43926 7331 1.249
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 105.0 85.9 5.56 2452 84.9 41599 7564 1.273
Raufoss RA15 105.0 85.9 5.56 2452 84.9 41599 7564 1.273
Alliant Reloder-22 105.0 85.9 5.56 2452 84.9 41599 7564 1.273
IMR 4831 105.0 81.3 5.27 2442 90.7 41944 7251 1.249
Hodgdon H4831 SC 105.0 85.9 5.56 2422 81.6 44494 6964 1.226
Accurate MAGPRO 105.0 90.3 5.85 2412 78.2 40937 7414 1.276
Winchester WXR 105.0 84.0 5.44 2383 83.1 38829 7280 1.312
Rottweil R905 105.0 84.3 5.46 2379 81.1 40583 7026 1.295
Alliant Reloder-25 105.0 84.5 5.47 2335 85.4 35915 7234 1.348
IMR 7828 105.0 82.5 5.35 2335 79.0 38243 6887 1.321
Vihtavuori N165 105.0 84.0 5.44 2334 85.0 39744 6628 1.283
Vihtavuori N160 105.0 81.4 5.28 2331 82.9 41222 6462 1.276
SNPE Vectan SP 12 105.0 90.7 5.87 2327 78.0 38418 7043 1.311
Hodgdon H4831 105.0 82.5 5.35 2323 79.4 39921 6584 1.280
PB Clermont PCL 517 105.0 90.7 5.87 2321 77.7 38257 7018 1.313
Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy) 105.0 90.5 5.86 2318 77.6 38099 7009 1.315
ADI AP 2214 105.0 88.2 5.71 2305 77.4 38912 6647 1.316
Accurate 3100 105.0 80.3 5.20 2246 86.1 34717 6579 1.397
Norma MRP 2 105.0 84.9 5.50 2230 76.3 32761 6758 1.394
Hodgdon H1000 105.0 84.0 5.44 2185 74.0 33941 6088 1.395
Vihtavuori N570 105.0 89.6 5.80 2170 65.3 32077 6433 1.405
Hodgdon Retumbo 105.0 85.4 5.53 2136 73.9 30015 6208 1.456
Vihtavuori N170 105.0 84.0 5.44 2055 67.1 30818 5610 1.475
Vihtavuori 24N41 105.0 90.5 5.86 2053 58.3 31752 5304 1.443
ADI AR 2218 105.0 90.5 5.86 2048 56.0 30215 5295 1.463

 

[paolo65]

That antelope looks like very happy!!! :shock:
Pop I can change my k 98 action to a longer one if you think that the 416 wby will be better. Anyway the 416 rem at 2800 with 300 gr it's impressive too.
So finally which one do you suggest? With brake ore without brake?
ciao,
paolo

 

[Big Squeeze]

:grin: :grin: :grin:
I decided to go for a new rifle. Custom built on mauser 98 action.
But I have just a little problem: I don't know yet in which caliber :shock:
I would like to choose something bigger of 375 h&h, but I am not able to decide between 404 jeffery and 416 rem. Or I don't know, maybe something bigger... or different
This should be a rifle for hunting big bears, moose and very very big wild boars.
really I don't need another rifle because with my 9.3x62 and 375 hh I can do everything, but you know how these things are going on :roll:
So please give me some suggestions!
ciao,
paolo

.........................Above the 375, I`d go with the 416 as well. Offers great shorter range stopping power, while giving longer range capabilities with the right bullet. Better versatility than the 458 for the longer shots.

 

[bullet]

If you have the 9.3 or 375 then you need a considerable jump in diameter.
I vote for the 416 .
Why? Well in my opinion the 416 is the most versatile of the big bores. They hit hard and have decent bullets for long range shooting (relative that is).
The 458 hits hard but it is not a 300 yard cartridge.
This is why I chose the 416 Wby and I keep begging for a 325 gr AccuBond.

Currently I use the GS Custom 330 grain at 3100 fps. That is power 7000 ft/lbs and can hammer elk at 400-500 yards EASY.
The 460 WBY would not do that with the same ease. This is the GS Custom.

True, very well put, it is what it is!!!!! 416Wby

 

[6ppcar]

That antelope looks like very happy!!! :shock:
Pop I can change my k 98 action to a longer one if you think that the 416 wby will be better. Anyway the 416 rem at 2800 with 300 gr it's impressive too.
So finally which one do you suggest? With brake ore without brake?
ciao,
paolo

I don't think K98 action is not long enough for the 416 Remington mag, but the 416 Taylor will work if you can get it to feed properly. I think you would be better off to start with a action that is designed for the cartridge that you have in mind.

 

[FOTIS]

Actually 6ppc is correct! Sorry for the SNAFU!

The 98 was off the 8mm mauser or 30-06 length.
Hence if you open up the bolt face you can build any magnum based on the 30-06 length.....7mm rem mag, 300 win. 338 win 416 Taylor or 458 win mag


Now the 416 Rem mag needs a 375 HH/ 8mm rem mag action length.

Thank 6ppc

 

[paolo65]

First of all thanks to everybody.
But I guess I made a mistake!
Because I didn' tell you that my action is K98 (style) of course but it's the double square bridge magnum. Long and big enough for all the cartridges about we discussed.
So I guess that the final choice will be 416 wby! :grin:
but let's go further: which barrel length do you suggest and twist? which kind of brake? which profile of stock?
Let's try to build it together...
ciao,
paolo

 

[jmad_81]

I read a really interesting article a few months back about a guy that necked up a 375 Ruger to a 416 and had a little better FPS than the 416 Remington. Don't know if your into wild cats but might be pretty dang cool!!!

 

[Big Squeeze]

I read a really interesting article a few months back about a guy that necked up a 375 Ruger to a 416 and had a little better FPS than the 416 Remington. Don't know if your into wild cats but might be pretty dang cool!!!

.............Interesting that you mentioned that.............I read somewhere that Hornady will neck up the 375 Ruger case to the 416 caliber and Ruger will chamber it in their 20" Alaskan.....Whoa baby!! What a compact handy thumper that`ll be!!!

 

[paolo65]

I read a really interesting article a few months back about a guy that necked up a 375 Ruger to a 416 and had a little better FPS than the 416 Remington. Don't know if your into wild cats but might be pretty dang cool!!!

thanks Jmad.
In Italy with wildcats we cannot work because of a special (and above all stupid) law we cannot even modify cases (or better we should not...)
We cannot modify a chamber or change from a caliber to another on a rifle, but we can sell that one and buy another (authorized by the law and recognized by a special department named BANCO DI PROVA that must test it...) so the only solution is to build it or buy in authorized calibers.
Really bad and sad dituation. I avoid to explain all the other rules concerning rifle because in Italy they are really crazy!!!
paolo

 

[Antelope_Sniper]

We could be just as crazy in 4 years.....

 

[FOTIS]

You're better than Greece...
Only shotguns there....

 

[Antelope_Sniper]

As for barrels, if you want to peg big critters in the 400-500 yard range, how a 26" tube around 4 or 5 contour?

 

[paolo65]

As for barrels, if you want to peg big critters in the 400-500 yard range, how a 26" tube around 4 or 5 contour?

I guess it's a good idea, I was thinking at the same contour and length.
How long the brake/port and which model?

 

[Antelope_Sniper]

As for Brakes, I like my Accubrake. It's about 2" long and a little fatter then my 5 contour barrel.

I seem to remember that some member really like their Vias brakes as well.