TackDriver284
Handloader
- Feb 13, 2016
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Is there a list of burning rate factors Ba for Quickload? I like to setup the propellant table.
QuickLoad questions thread...
- Thread starter Ridgerunner665
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Don't really think so TD other than the defaults in QL.
Problem with a Ba number, as you're finding out, is it's just an educated guess. Sometimes they're close, most of the time not. :grin:
Only way I know to make sense of them is the same old thing. Get a case capacity from 5 or 10, then I take the average, throwing out any abnormalities.
Then chrono 10 or so. Again, throw out any weird ones. Average.
Adjust Ba for that bullet, case, primer and powder combo. Should be close at that point.
Remember, Ba will change with powder lots, case changes, bullet changes and primer changes.
Point is, the Ba for a 7 Mag for example shooting 175s in a Nosler case with a CCI primer is going to probably have a different Ba with a different bullet or case or primer.
Clear as mud? :lol:
It can be amazingly precise once the work is done and allow you to really tune it in and develop a nice load. I wouldn't be without it as I shoot quite a few wildcats. (I like weird rifles)
Problem with a Ba number, as you're finding out, is it's just an educated guess. Sometimes they're close, most of the time not. :grin:
Only way I know to make sense of them is the same old thing. Get a case capacity from 5 or 10, then I take the average, throwing out any abnormalities.
Then chrono 10 or so. Again, throw out any weird ones. Average.
Adjust Ba for that bullet, case, primer and powder combo. Should be close at that point.
Remember, Ba will change with powder lots, case changes, bullet changes and primer changes.
Point is, the Ba for a 7 Mag for example shooting 175s in a Nosler case with a CCI primer is going to probably have a different Ba with a different bullet or case or primer.
Clear as mud? :lol:
It can be amazingly precise once the work is done and allow you to really tune it in and develop a nice load. I wouldn't be without it as I shoot quite a few wildcats. (I like weird rifles)
andrewctillman
Beginner
- Feb 6, 2013
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I pulled a Hornady ELD-X 178 grain bullet from a box of 308 Winchester Pro Hunter ammo. The bullet is a whopping 1.405 inches long.
Powder charge was 42.5 grains of a small extruded kernel that looks similar to Varget but who knows? I loaded the bullet back into case and it engaged riflilng around 2.917 or a bit longer. I was able to seat it to 2.86 in my Accuracy International steel magazine.
Could I as for a Quick load for Varget at 2.860 and 2.8 OCL?
And if you think it is worthwhile, I would be curious to see other suitable powders.
Many thanks.
Powder charge was 42.5 grains of a small extruded kernel that looks similar to Varget but who knows? I loaded the bullet back into case and it engaged riflilng around 2.917 or a bit longer. I was able to seat it to 2.86 in my Accuracy International steel magazine.
Could I as for a Quick load for Varget at 2.860 and 2.8 OCL?
And if you think it is worthwhile, I would be curious to see other suitable powders.
Many thanks.
Sorry, just saw this.
I don't have the ELDXs yet. (waiting on a new disk)
I don't have the ELDXs yet. (waiting on a new disk)
Code:
Cartridge : .308 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 178, Hornady A-MAX 30712
Useable Case Capaci: 48.971 grain H2O = 3.180 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon VARGET
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.124% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-11.2 91 39.54 2378 2235 41286 6720 96.2 1.378
-10.1 92 40.05 2406 2287 42720 6803 96.6 1.356
-09.0 93 40.55 2433 2340 44204 6883 96.9 1.335
-07.9 94 41.05 2461 2393 45740 6962 97.3 1.315
-06.7 95 41.55 2488 2446 47329 7038 97.6 1.295
-05.6 96 42.05 2515 2500 48974 7111 97.9 1.276
-04.5 97 42.55 2543 2555 50677 7182 98.2 1.257
-03.4 99 43.05 2570 2610 52440 7250 98.5 1.238
-02.2 100 43.55 2597 2665 54266 7315 98.8 1.219 ! Near Maximum !
-01.1 101 44.05 2624 2721 56158 7378 99.0 1.201 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 102 44.55 2651 2777 58117 7437 99.2 1.184 ! Near Maximum !
+01.1 103 45.05 2678 2834 60149 7493 99.4 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
+02.2 104 45.55 2705 2891 62254 7547 99.5 1.149 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.4 105 46.05 2731 2949 64438 7597 99.7 1.133 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.5 107 46.55 2758 3007 66702 7643 99.8 1.116 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.6 108 47.05 2785 3065 69052 7687 99.9 1.100 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 102 44.55 2705 2892 63106 7351 99.9 1.145 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 102 44.55 2587 2645 53186 7437 97.5 1.228 ! Near Maximum !
Code:
Cartridge : .308 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 178, Hornady A-MAX 30712
Useable Case Capaci: 47.829 grain H2O = 3.105 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon VARGET
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.124% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-11.2 93 39.54 2401 2278 43069 6684 96.5 1.354
-10.1 94 40.05 2429 2331 44599 6765 96.8 1.332
-09.0 95 40.55 2457 2385 46183 6843 97.2 1.312
-07.9 96 41.05 2484 2439 47825 6919 97.6 1.292
-06.7 97 41.55 2512 2494 49526 6991 97.9 1.272
-05.6 99 42.05 2540 2549 51289 7062 98.2 1.252
-04.5 100 42.55 2567 2605 53117 7129 98.5 1.233 ! Near Maximum !
-03.4 101 43.05 2595 2661 55011 7194 98.7 1.214 ! Near Maximum !
-02.2 102 43.55 2622 2718 56977 7256 98.9 1.196 ! Near Maximum !
-01.1 103 44.05 2650 2775 59015 7314 99.1 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 104 44.55 2677 2833 61130 7370 99.3 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
+01.1 106 45.05 2705 2891 63326 7422 99.5 1.144 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.2 107 45.55 2732 2949 65605 7471 99.6 1.127 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.4 108 46.05 2759 3008 67973 7517 99.8 1.110 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.5 109 46.55 2786 3068 70433 7560 99.8 1.094 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.6 110 47.05 2813 3127 72990 7598 99.9 1.078 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 104 44.55 2731 2947 66418 7270 100.0 1.123 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 104 44.55 2614 2700 55912 7384 97.7 1.204 ! Near Maximum !
Code:
Cartridge : .308 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 178, Hornady A-MAX 30712
Useable Case Capaci: 47.829 grain H2O = 3.105 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 62000 psi, or 427 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 106 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 85%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
ReloadSwiss RS 52 103.3 47.0 3.05 2765 100.0 62001 7647 1.144 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Elcho 17 106.0 49.0 3.18 2764 99.8 57368 8269 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 106.0 49.0 3.18 2764 99.8 57368 8269 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 105.8 48.1 3.12 2759 99.7 62001 7846 1.141 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 60 106.0 49.0 3.18 2758 100.0 55830 8318 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE223 96.7 47.5 3.08 2755 99.9 62001 7752 1.143 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Big Game 102.4 48.1 3.12 2752 99.7 62001 7752 1.142 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4895 101.9 44.9 2.91 2745 99.8 62001 7760 1.155 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H414 106.0 49.4 3.20 2738 96.5 59435 8205 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 106.0 49.4 3.20 2738 96.5 59435 8205 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 97.1 46.7 3.03 2735 100.0 62001 7589 1.156 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203B 103.2 45.5 2.95 2733 99.8 62001 7667 1.156 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP3 104.9 46.8 3.03 2733 100.0 62001 7575 1.163 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203 old 104.9 46.8 3.03 2733 100.0 62001 7575 1.163 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA11 102.6 45.3 2.93 2732 99.6 62001 7705 1.156 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-15 102.6 45.3 2.93 2732 99.6 62001 7705 1.156 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 102.6 45.3 2.93 2732 99.6 62001 7705 1.156 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 748 94.6 44.9 2.91 2728 100.0 62001 7285 1.150 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H380 103.8 46.8 3.03 2718 98.7 62001 7742 1.160 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Wild Boar 97.3 45.8 2.97 2716 99.7 62001 7538 1.154 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4895 98.9 43.6 2.83 2716 99.9 62001 7476 1.159 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 3031 102.7 42.3 2.74 2715 100.0 62001 6889 1.156 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4320 104.5 45.3 2.94 2713 99.7 62001 7412 1.144 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2206H 99.2 43.7 2.83 2712 99.7 62001 7505 1.160 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4064 105.1 45.3 2.94 2709 100.0 62001 7076 1.184 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 516 99.9 46.9 3.04 2708 98.7 62001 7639 1.154 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 9 99.9 45.5 2.95 2706 99.7 62001 7454 1.156 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2520 97.3 45.3 2.93 2705 100.0 62001 7070 1.169 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.6 99.6 45.3 2.93 2705 100.0 62001 7070 1.169 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Elcho TR140 - preliminary data 103.3 47.0 3.05 2700 98.8 62001 7529 1.158 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 507 96.3 44.3 2.87 2698 100.0 62001 7249 1.158 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S321 94.4 44.8 2.90 2697 100.0 62001 7271 1.164 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R903 106.0 46.2 3.00 2694 99.8 59452 7462 1.185 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 106.0 45.7 2.96 2691 99.8 60032 7464 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S062 103.6 44.5 2.88 2691 100.0 62001 7182 1.168 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S341 98.0 46.5 3.01 2690 99.7 62001 7247 1.157 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 50 103.3 47.4 3.07 2689 97.4 62001 7590 1.161 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon VARGET 104.9 44.8 2.90 2688 99.4 62001 7391 1.154 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2208 104.6 44.8 2.90 2688 99.4 62001 7391 1.154 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N530 95.3 42.2 2.74 2686 100.0 62001 7141 1.160 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 7 97.8 46.3 3.00 2686 98.6 62001 7436 1.166 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2495 99.0 42.7 2.77 2686 100.0 62001 6782 1.192 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation 105.0 46.7 3.03 2685 97.0 62001 7522 1.145 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N540 102.1 45.5 2.95 2684 100.0 62001 7049 1.163 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot TAC 96.8 46.0 2.98 2683 98.2 62001 7511 1.161 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4064 105.7 44.0 2.85 2681 99.5 62001 7241 1.158 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H335 90.0 43.3 2.81 2681 100.0 62001 6908 1.161 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 202 99.8 43.3 2.80 2679 100.0 62001 6891 1.166 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 8208 XBR 97.4 42.9 2.78 2678 100.0 62001 7068 1.161 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 201 100.3 43.3 2.80 2678 100.0 62001 7138 1.174 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 511 106.0 49.8 3.23 2678 96.4 54668 8123 1.198 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 10 89.6 42.2 2.74 2677 100.0 62001 6866 1.164 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 508 (PCL223) 89.6 42.3 2.74 2676 100.0 62001 6857 1.164 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N550 106.0 47.8 3.09 2674 98.1 54551 8010 1.209 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 105.0 47.0 3.04 2673 96.1 62001 7580 1.165 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R902 102.2 43.4 2.82 2669 100.0 62001 7042 1.175 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 40 93.3 41.9 2.72 2668 100.0 62001 6873 1.163 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2219 89.6 40.8 2.64 2668 100.0 62001 6669 1.159 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H322 95.3 40.8 2.64 2668 100.0 62001 6669 1.159 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.5 93.1 44.1 2.86 2667 100.0 62001 6885 1.179 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2460 92.9 44.1 2.86 2667 100.0 62001 6885 1.179 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant AR-Comp 97.6 41.6 2.70 2665 100.0 62001 6366 1.164 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP11 TZ ~approximation 97.1 41.6 2.70 2665 100.0 62001 6366 1.164 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot X-Terminator 94.4 44.4 2.88 2663 99.6 62001 7138 1.165 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2230 92.4 44.1 2.86 2660 99.9 62001 6958 1.172 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R901 98.2 41.1 2.67 2654 100.0 62001 6748 1.186 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.4 91.5 43.2 2.80 2654 100.0 62001 6772 1.176 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Nitrochemie A/S 0300 86.8 39.3 2.54 2654 100.0 62001 6426 1.168 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N140 101.9 44.1 2.86 2653 100.0 62001 6615 1.166 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP2 NT ~approximation 98.5 43.1 2.79 2650 99.8 62001 6940 1.162 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation 106.0 46.4 3.01 2648 97.6 59746 7344 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210 90.5 41.2 2.67 2643 100.0 62001 6744 1.167 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-12 95.1 42.7 2.77 2640 100.0 62001 6517 1.166 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S060 99.1 42.5 2.75 2639 99.7 62001 6905 1.165 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Benchmark 96.3 41.8 2.71 2635 100.0 62001 6707 1.167 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI BM2 88.6 41.6 2.70 2635 100.0 62001 6688 1.167 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2206 98.3 42.9 2.78 2630 99.8 62001 6802 1.166 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2200 87.9 39.3 2.55 2626 100.0 62001 6510 1.167 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-10x 92.8 38.6 2.50 2620 100.0 62001 6261 1.180 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!waveslayer
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- Mar 25, 2014
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Have you tried IMR 4064?andrewctillman":17dpej1r said:
My wife thinks I only have 3 guns
andrewctillman
Beginner
- Feb 6, 2013
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Thanks DWH, I appreciate the help.
I have some ELD-X backordered. Looks like not much difference in velocity or pressure with the longer seating depth. Thanks!
I did get good data points at 500, 600 and 800 yards at 2660 fps with the precision hunter ammo and will try again at 1,000 with a +32.5 MOA hold. The 178 ELDX is as flat shooting as Hornady claims.
I did not try 4064 as I just had the one bullet and I used Varget. At higher velocity 4064 and Varget bulked out the case with the 175 Barnes Match Burner to the point it was difficult to control OCL, and it is shorter than the ELDX.
Based on the Quickload data and my experience so far with the longer 175's I will probably try Varget, CFE223, Win 748 and RL15. I will let you all know how it goes.
Come ups as follows.
500 yd 10.5 MOA
600 yd 14.25 MOA
800 yd 22.5 MOA
1000 (probably) 32.5 predicted by JBM software. I tried a six oclock hold with 34 moa and still shot over and right of a 24 inch gong. So sounds possible. I currently run Barnes Match Burners at 35 MOA.
The Match burners have a G7 of about .255 which is similar to the Berger 175 VLD and the SMK at .243 (as I recall). JBM shows the 178 ELD-X at .267 G7 and the come ups are within 1/4-1/2 moa of what I recorded.
I have some ELD-X backordered. Looks like not much difference in velocity or pressure with the longer seating depth. Thanks!
I did get good data points at 500, 600 and 800 yards at 2660 fps with the precision hunter ammo and will try again at 1,000 with a +32.5 MOA hold. The 178 ELDX is as flat shooting as Hornady claims.
I did not try 4064 as I just had the one bullet and I used Varget. At higher velocity 4064 and Varget bulked out the case with the 175 Barnes Match Burner to the point it was difficult to control OCL, and it is shorter than the ELDX.
Based on the Quickload data and my experience so far with the longer 175's I will probably try Varget, CFE223, Win 748 and RL15. I will let you all know how it goes.
Come ups as follows.
500 yd 10.5 MOA
600 yd 14.25 MOA
800 yd 22.5 MOA
1000 (probably) 32.5 predicted by JBM software. I tried a six oclock hold with 34 moa and still shot over and right of a 24 inch gong. So sounds possible. I currently run Barnes Match Burners at 35 MOA.
The Match burners have a G7 of about .255 which is similar to the Berger 175 VLD and the SMK at .243 (as I recall). JBM shows the 178 ELD-X at .267 G7 and the come ups are within 1/4-1/2 moa of what I recorded.
andrewctillman
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- Feb 6, 2013
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Reloading the 178 factory loaded bullet with 42.5 Varget gave me 2620 fps at 2.86 OCL. So my rifle with 20 inch barrel is running about 50 fps faster than QL predicts for a 24 inch. Looks like I will be safe at either OCL at about 2650 fps w Varget which is close to what I had hoped for.
If nothing else the longer OCL reduces pressure a bit so I will start there.
thanks for your help!
32.5 MOA at 1000 yards is really flat shooting for a 308, and it looks like it will do that. I purchased 40 more rounds of the precision hunter ammo which was on sale at Bimart. Midway has the ELD-X on backorder. 208 grain ELDX bullets are available at sportsmans warehouse if any Bend, Oregon area .300 win magnum shooters want to give them a try.
If nothing else the longer OCL reduces pressure a bit so I will start there.
thanks for your help!
32.5 MOA at 1000 yards is really flat shooting for a 308, and it looks like it will do that. I purchased 40 more rounds of the precision hunter ammo which was on sale at Bimart. Midway has the ELD-X on backorder. 208 grain ELDX bullets are available at sportsmans warehouse if any Bend, Oregon area .300 win magnum shooters want to give them a try.
Wyo7200":2nswa7dr said:Thought I'd do one for a 7 STW, using what Nosler has in its loads:
QL lists:
"7 mm STW ","97","2.85",".284",".6","40.39","460","Piezo CIP","3.65","","","","","","","","","","","","7MMSTW.jpg"
I literally just purchased Quickload and I'm still finding my way through it. Weighting factor was explained to me by another user as a "mysterious" number. I've been looking for the Case Capacity window(like the one you have above) that allows me to enter the data like you did, so I could get a more accurate Weighting Factor number. I can't find it and not sure if it exists in the newest version of QL. Thankfully, you did it for the 7STW which just happens to be the cartridge I'm using QL to help develop some loads for.
What's the best way to start using QL when you want to develop a new load? I'm using the 175gr Partition. Was planning on using H1000 but open to using any powder that may be better. Usually I would start with 74.0gr H1000 and do a seating depth test. Once I have the best COAL, then work up the load from there. So, do the seating depth test, find the best one and enter the data into QL and see if it falls on a node in OTL (or adjust the Ba until it falls on a node)??? Then load up 10 and run them over the chronograph and put the velocity into QL and make whatever adjustments to Ba to match up with my velocity. Then, use the table to help find a higher velocity node and load up your rounds from below that ultimate charge and work up to it?
Somebody help me streamline this process!!
Also, do the twist rate of the barrel matter in QL? I don't see a box to enter that value, but I'm sure it exists somewhere
Wyo7200
Handloader
- Aug 20, 2014
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Many questions 
Start by getting your case capacity, a seating depth (doesn't have to be the 'most accurate'), and velocity. QL is *blindly guessing* without your real world variable data.
If I understand your question correctly, you are looking for where to enter the weighing factor (main window, under the in the box under the cartridge box. The same box that you enter your case h2o), or wondering where it is calculated in the window I posted? (It's the bottom line "rough estimate...")
Twist rate... I'm on the fence about its effects, but you can change that in the rifles info menu. I'm not informer of QL to show you where exactly, but you build your own gun file and can reference it for more accurate estimates. I think the default variables that QL uses for rifle data is based on the .308 and 30-06.
Hate to cut this short but I am being pulled away to adult (taxes). Hope this will give you some guidance to help you get started.
Start by getting your case capacity, a seating depth (doesn't have to be the 'most accurate'), and velocity. QL is *blindly guessing* without your real world variable data.
If I understand your question correctly, you are looking for where to enter the weighing factor (main window, under the in the box under the cartridge box. The same box that you enter your case h2o), or wondering where it is calculated in the window I posted? (It's the bottom line "rough estimate...")
Twist rate... I'm on the fence about its effects, but you can change that in the rifles info menu. I'm not informer of QL to show you where exactly, but you build your own gun file and can reference it for more accurate estimates. I think the default variables that QL uses for rifle data is based on the .308 and 30-06.
Hate to cut this short but I am being pulled away to adult (taxes). Hope this will give you some guidance to help you get started.
The case dimensions are under "data, add, change, load, save"
Pull down menu, go to case, caliber, then over to change data records in active file
That opens a box with a pull down for the various cartridges
Dimensions are in there
The other way to do it easier is buy QuickDesign which is made to work with QuickLoad. You can modify, alter or adapt cartridges in it and run them in quickload
Cool way to actually use QuickLoad on wildcats
Pull down menu, go to case, caliber, then over to change data records in active file
That opens a box with a pull down for the various cartridges
Dimensions are in there
The other way to do it easier is buy QuickDesign which is made to work with QuickLoad. You can modify, alter or adapt cartridges in it and run them in quickload
Cool way to actually use QuickLoad on wildcats
Dwh7271":2qvw5tkm said:
Thank you very much. I found it. The "change data records in active file" scared me to click on it because I thought I could mess something up. I appreciate the help. QL is pretty awesome and I know I'm just scratching the surface of what it can do at the moment. Wish I purchased it about a year ago, because it would have helped me and saved me an incredible amount of time.
hseII":3fabulkz said:
HSE II, I am not sure the 338-06 Ackley is added to the profile, but you can use 338-06 info and probably add 5% to the top to get an idea. I'll take a peak this evening.
Pull this out and put it in a separate topic and I'll bet you get some more data. It sounds like a cool build. I'd be with a 26" barrel you'll get great speeds from it.
I built you one in QuickDesign
Code:
Cartridge : 338-06 Ackley Improved
Bullet : .338, 210, Nosler PART SP 16337
Useable Case Capaci: 66.435 grain H2O = 4.314 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.332 inch = 84.63 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 64000 psi, or 441 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
5 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 85%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
ReloadSwiss RS 60 105.5 67.8 4.39 3014 100.0 64001 8603 1.136 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 104.6 67.2 4.35 2996 100.0 64001 8560 1.142 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17 104.6 67.2 4.35 2996 100.0 64001 8560 1.142 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62 108.5 69.7 4.51 2969 99.9 64001 8635 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511 106.0 69.2 4.48 2956 99.2 64001 8750 1.153 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 109.5 69.3 4.49 2954 99.2 64001 8736 1.153 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 110.0 71.8 4.65 2950 98.4 60950 9202 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518 110.0 69.6 4.51 2947 98.9 63288 8776 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 103.5 67.0 4.34 2946 98.6 64001 8702 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 103.5 67.0 4.34 2946 98.6 64001 8702 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 106.0 66.3 4.30 2939 99.8 64001 8533 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 109.1 66.1 4.28 2939 99.9 64001 8411 1.160 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 109.2 66.1 4.29 2939 99.9 64001 8409 1.160 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 108.5 66.4 4.30 2937 99.9 64001 8372 1.173 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 102.0 64.5 4.18 2919 100.0 64001 8094 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 110.0 65.6 4.25 2919 100.0 59586 8399 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 52 99.5 62.9 4.08 2917 100.0 64001 7867 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE223 93.2 63.6 4.12 2913 100.0 64001 7984 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Big Game 98.7 64.4 4.17 2912 100.0 64001 8000 1.163 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 110.0 67.0 4.34 2912 100.0 58903 8102 1.191 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 107.8 68.2 4.42 2910 96.8 64001 8586 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 98.3 60.2 3.90 2906 100.0 64001 8013 1.173 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-26 110.0 72.4 4.69 2897 99.0 52310 9463 1.238
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 108.9 67.7 4.39 2896 98.3 64001 8355 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 99.1 60.7 3.93 2896 100.0 64001 7983 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 99.1 60.7 3.93 2896 100.0 64001 7983 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 99.1 60.7 3.93 2896 100.0 64001 7983 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 99.6 61.0 3.95 2894 100.0 64001 7919 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 93.7 62.6 4.06 2891 100.0 64001 7816 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 101.1 62.6 4.06 2888 100.0 64001 7794 1.184 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 101.1 62.6 4.06 2888 100.0 64001 7794 1.184 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 100.3 62.8 4.07 2885 99.7 64001 8078 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 108.1 65.5 4.24 2882 98.7 64001 8238 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 103.4 62.6 4.06 2881 100.0 64001 7717 1.185 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 91.2 60.1 3.90 2880 100.0 64001 7513 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Wild Boar 94.0 61.5 3.99 2878 100.0 64001 7800 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 95.6 58.6 3.80 2877 100.0 64001 7723 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 101.1 60.9 3.95 2876 100.0 64001 7675 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516 96.7 63.1 4.09 2875 99.7 64001 7981 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 96.0 58.8 3.81 2874 100.0 64001 7771 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 103.4 61.9 4.01 2874 100.0 64001 7736 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 108.8 66.3 4.29 2873 98.0 64001 8146 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 110.0 67.4 4.37 2872 96.3 61138 8499 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 110.0 67.4 4.37 2872 96.3 61138 8499 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9 96.6 61.1 3.96 2868 100.0 64001 7718 1.173 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho TR140 - preliminary data 99.9 63.2 4.09 2867 99.8 64001 7855 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation 102.0 63.0 4.08 2864 98.7 64001 7953 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 50 100.0 63.7 4.13 2861 98.9 64001 7990 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 106.7 63.9 4.14 2860 99.3 64001 7962 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031 98.9 56.6 3.67 2858 100.0 64001 7126 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507 93.1 59.5 3.86 2856 100.0 64001 7488 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208 101.3 60.2 3.90 2854 100.0 64001 7696 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET 101.7 60.2 3.90 2854 100.0 64001 7696 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 96.0 60.6 3.92 2853 100.0 64001 7290 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 93.8 60.6 3.92 2853 100.0 64001 7290 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC 93.8 61.9 4.01 2853 99.4 64001 7885 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7 94.6 62.2 4.03 2853 99.7 64001 7771 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4451 Enduron 103.7 62.8 4.07 2853 98.4 64001 8009 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321 91.3 60.2 3.90 2853 100.0 64001 7509 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 101.1 60.6 3.92 2853 100.0 64001 7290 1.206 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 110.0 65.9 4.27 2852 97.7 62374 8113 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 110.0 65.2 4.22 2851 100.0 59814 7664 1.192 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341 94.8 62.5 4.05 2850 100.0 64001 7501 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 105.1 63.2 4.09 2850 98.0 64001 8036 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 105.1 63.2 4.09 2850 98.0 64001 8036 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 101.8 63.2 4.10 2849 98.0 64001 8030 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 110.0 67.0 4.34 2848 95.8 58373 8568 1.196 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation 103.8 63.2 4.09 2847 99.3 64001 7782 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S062 100.1 59.7 3.87 2847 100.0 64001 7412 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 110.0 70.3 4.56 2846 96.4 51928 9220 1.249
IMR 4064 102.4 59.2 3.84 2845 100.0 64001 7526 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 92.2 56.8 3.68 2845 100.0 64001 7388 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 8208 XBR 94.3 57.8 3.74 2837 100.0 64001 7312 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 97.0 58.1 3.77 2836 100.0 64001 7376 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 98.7 61.1 3.96 2834 100.0 64001 7294 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 110.0 71.0 4.60 2831 96.1 60351 8233 1.188 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335 87.0 58.2 3.77 2831 100.0 64001 7156 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150 108.7 62.8 4.07 2831 100.0 64001 7260 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 110.0 67.4 4.37 2830 95.7 56320 8596 1.217 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 96.4 58.1 3.76 2829 100.0 64001 7135 1.185 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 10 86.7 56.7 3.68 2828 100.0 64001 7116 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 508 (PCL223) 86.6 56.8 3.68 2827 100.0 64001 7107 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902 98.9 58.4 3.78 2826 100.0 64001 7277 1.192 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator 91.5 59.8 3.88 2826 100.0 64001 7415 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 95.1 57.0 3.69 2825 100.0 64001 7003 1.214 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4166 Enduron 102.7 60.2 3.90 2824 98.4 64001 7724 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 40 90.4 56.4 3.66 2823 100.0 64001 7124 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5 90.0 59.1 3.83 2819 100.0 64001 7110 1.197 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 89.7 59.1 3.83 2819 100.0 64001 7110 1.197 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361 110.0 71.8 4.65 2818 94.4 62950 8041 1.184 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2230 89.4 59.3 3.84 2818 100.0 64001 7192 1.189 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 110.0 66.4 4.30 2817 94.9 60018 8161 1.195 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322 92.2 54.8 3.55 2816 100.0 64001 6923 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219 86.7 54.8 3.55 2816 100.0 64001 6923 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP2 NT ~approximation 95.5 58.1 3.76 2812 100.0 64001 7199 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 110.0 64.5 4.18 2807 99.4 55398 8067 1.243 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.4 88.5 58.1 3.76 2807 100.0 64001 7002 1.194 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901 95.0 55.3 3.58 2805 100.0 64001 6993 1.202 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060 96.2 57.3 3.71 2803 100.0 64001 7183 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 110.0 67.4 4.37 2802 95.4 55012 8473 1.231
IMR 7828 SSC 110.0 69.2 4.48 2802 92.7 53637 8788 1.236
Vihtavuori N140 98.6 59.2 3.83 2800 100.0 64001 6853 1.185 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant AR-Comp 93.9 55.6 3.60 2799 100.0 64001 6600 1.189 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210 87.8 55.5 3.60 2799 100.0 64001 6999 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 TZ ~approximation 93.4 55.6 3.60 2799 100.0 64001 6600 1.189 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N135 105.0 58.3 3.78 2794 100.0 64001 6671 1.193 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700 101.6 64.9 4.21 2794 97.7 64001 7529 1.187 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark 93.5 56.4 3.65 2793 100.0 64001 6961 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
ADI BM2 86.0 56.1 3.64 2792 100.0 64001 6944 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206 95.6 57.9 3.75 2792 100.0 64001 7067 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 110.0 68.1 4.41 2788 96.6 55098 8255 1.246
Alliant Reloder-12 92.1 57.5 3.72 2787 100.0 64001 6767 1.184 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2200 85.3 53.1 3.44 2781 100.0 64001 6774 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 110.0 68.8 4.46 2772 91.4 49789 8947 1.277
ADI AR 2213 110.0 68.1 4.41 2767 92.2 52532 8623 1.250
Alliant Reloder-10x 89.7 51.9 3.36 2763 100.0 64001 6519 1.198 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 110.0 68.1 4.41 2761 92.4 55084 8215 1.233
Somchem S335 96.4 57.8 3.74 2757 100.0 64001 6591 1.198 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 110.0 68.1 4.41 2757 94.0 48960 8761 1.288
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 110.0 68.1 4.41 2757 94.0 48960 8761 1.288
Alliant Reloder-22 110.0 68.1 4.41 2757 94.0 48960 8761 1.288
Accurate 2015 92.3 54.1 3.50 2755 100.0 64001 6443 1.204 ! Near Maximum !
SF033 fl, russ. 5,45x39 86.2 54.0 3.50 2751 100.0 64001 6342 1.209 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 200 86.0 51.5 3.34 2738 100.0 64001 6340 1.213 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 110.0 71.6 4.64 2737 88.9 48531 8835 1.296
Vihtavuori N133 98.2 55.1 3.57 2732 100.0 64001 6252 1.193 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 110.0 73.4 4.75 2723 94.2 50191 8423 1.276
Vihtavuori N130 92.7 53.1 3.44 2715 100.0 64001 6182 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
Kazan Sunar 308W 88.4 53.0 3.43 2711 100.0 64001 6165 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron 110.0 65.5 4.25 2711 92.6 53705 7905 1.257
Alliant Reloder-23 110.0 65.9 4.27 2686 98.7 44011 8274 1.348
Rottweil R905 110.0 66.9 4.33 2681 90.7 47492 8244 1.313
Accurate 3100 110.0 67.4 4.37 2677 96.7 47528 7950 1.334
Bofors RP15 110.0 66.6 4.32 2673 92.3 44649 8504 1.344
Winchester WXR 110.0 66.6 4.32 2673 92.3 44649 8504 1.344
SNPE Vectan SP 12 110.0 71.9 4.66 2650 89.9 45424 8538 1.333
PB Clermont PCL 517 110.0 71.9 4.66 2644 89.6 45180 8523 1.337
Hodgdon H4831 110.0 65.5 4.24 2640 90.2 47781 7855 1.314
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 110.0 68.7 4.45 2625 87.2 47089 7996 1.323
IMR 7828 110.0 65.5 4.24 2621 89.2 43892 8225 1.354
Vihtavuori N165 110.0 66.6 4.32 2617 93.6 46170 7636 1.337
Vihtavuori N160 110.0 64.6 4.18 2610 91.5 47869 7482 1.322
ADI AP 2214 110.0 69.9 4.53 2606 88.9 45727 8083 1.336
Alliant Reloder-25 110.0 67.0 4.34 2606 94.8 40447 8483 1.400
Lovex S071 110.0 63.7 4.13 2510 94.1 38551 7541 1.465
IMR 7977 Enduron 110.0 66.6 4.32 2497 80.5 47164 6837 1.349
Norma MRP 2 110.0 67.4 4.37 2493 86.4 35897 8151 1.481
Bofors RP30 110.0 67.4 4.37 2493 86.4 35897 8151 1.481
Hodgdon H1000 110.0 66.6 4.32 2440 84.8 37970 7483 1.457
ADI AR 2217 110.0 66.6 4.32 2440 84.8 37970 7483 1.457
Hodgdon Retumbo 110.0 67.7 4.39 2366 85.3 32463 7815 1.550
ADI AR 2225 110.0 67.7 4.39 2366 85.3 32463 7815 1.550
Lovex D100 110.0 72.5 4.70 2342 72.7 37560 6645 1.486
Vihtavuori N170 110.0 66.6 4.32 2310 76.4 33035 6793 1.559
RiverRider
Handloader
- Dec 9, 2008
- 1,436
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SJB358":3eszbrsx said:
All you gotta do is use .338-06 with case capacity adjusted to match your real world fireformed AI cases. The shoulder shape differences won't mean a thing.
mjcmichigan
Handloader
- Dec 26, 2016
- 2,402
- 356
Working up a white tail load for a 11 year old hunter. He's carrying a Savage 99 20" barrel in a 303 Savage.
Looking at a couple bullets.
Hornady GMX 140g (30310 monoflex)
Hornady FTX 160g (30396)
Nosler CTBT 3030 RN(51165)
Probably Leverevolution or IMR 4894
WLR,
Prvi brass
Can Quick load estimatemax loads for this?
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Looking at a couple bullets.
Hornady GMX 140g (30310 monoflex)
Hornady FTX 160g (30396)
Nosler CTBT 3030 RN(51165)
Probably Leverevolution or IMR 4894
WLR,
Prvi brass
Can Quick load estimatemax loads for this?
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