You guys seen these? They look alot like the TC Icon/Venture.
http://www.ruger.com/products/americanRifle/models.html
http://www.ruger.com/products/americanRifle/models.html
Ruger All American
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DrMike
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Looks quite good..
Oldtrader3
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Interesting! Thompson Center is now owned by Smith and Wesson.
ScreaminEagle
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Looks like it has the Savage accutrigger on it!
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Disposable????????
(like the Remington 710?)
(like the Remington 710?)
Woodycreek
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FOTIS":2bhnxeth said:
It sure looks like it!
nvbroncrider
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Yes my thoughts exactly.
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Finally... an uglier rifle than the Mossberg 4x4.
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Now, guys, don't be jumping to conclusions! The Tikkas are ugly as sin, too, but all reports on them I've read say they shoot very well! The Ruger could be the same.
Of course, it may be a total POS, too. Or may never be released, or be released four years after it's announced (hello, Pistol of 1985, finally available in '89?).
Like I said, I want to try one, just for S&G.
Of course, it may be a total POS, too. Or may never be released, or be released four years after it's announced (hello, Pistol of 1985, finally available in '89?).
Like I said, I want to try one, just for S&G.
Wincheringen
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I don't care for them either, but more power to Ruger for making something that will probably sell very well.
They are out and available though, I believe Jeff Quinn was shooting 5/8" groups with his 30/06 and Federal Blue Box ammunition.
They are out and available though, I believe Jeff Quinn was shooting 5/8" groups with his 30/06 and Federal Blue Box ammunition.
35 Whelen
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I dont really see where Ruger is going with this. They already own a good sized junk of the market place . Life is to short to hunt with an ugly gun; and I am with Hodgeman on this one. This gun is creepie it is so ugly! It is interesting to me that Americans are still looking back at the $3-400 gun prices as traditionaly people have paid alot more for guns than they do now. My dad bought a model 81 Remington the day he came home from the USAF in the spring of 1946 I think he paid $103 for it. When he went back to work for the Maine Central Railroad; as a telegraph operator, his pay check stubs, I still have in the shop were $56 a week, So that gun, cost roughly two weeks work back then, When I bought my first new gun in 1973, it was a Winchester model 100 in .284, and it cost me $189 and I was making $90 a week; so again it was around two weeks work. Later on in the 1970's my Dads little 6.5x55 got shot out, and started keyholeing so my Mom and I went 50/50 and bought him a new Model 70 featherweight . I think it was 1978; and I was fish guiding for Wheatons Lodge that summer; and guides pay was $25 per day plus tips so on a normal day if all went well, you would get $30 that day, so times 5 days work; that was $150 a week . We paid $335 for that featherweight in 1978, again a couple weeks work. I am not postive what the avg yearly income is for a US citizen but I seam to recall the number of $35,000 that I read somewhere. So I guess thats around $675 a week on avg, and I think that is probably a realistic figure, though I am sure many are making double and tripple, that are reading this. Anyway if the $675 figure is a reasonable; two weeks work would now be $1350. So what in hell are people so darned interested in guns that cost $350 ?????? To me people want to make four times as much money as they used to but pay half as much for a gun. When I was a kid around here most familys had 3 guns a rifle a shotgun and a .22. From watching the posts on this forum; I looks to me like about everyone on here; owns at least one gun for everyday of the week; and some claim to have owned close to a hundred. It is obvious to me, that people have 10X the guns that folks had 40 years ago . Ruger has obviously researched this all out, and making this cheapie because the American public wants it . I personally have zero interest in bottom of the line guns, but alot of people are interested in them . One of my guides rushed up here a few weeks ago when they anounced this gun, and thought it was fantastic. [His gun for the last twenty years has been a Rem 760 with see thru mounts and a Tasco scope you can hardly see thru.] so I guess this new Ruger is actually the perfect compliment to his other one. Go figure.
Guns are cheaper than they EVER were if you use your weekly income as a standard to base this on.
I am guessing the reason that people are so interested in $300 guns is because they are making the minimum payment on two or three credit cards and Americans dont have as much saved as they did years ago ?????? So apparently it doesnt matter what you make; its what you saved????
My uncle and I got into a heat debate a few years ago when I told him I was going to buy a new Grandlake Square Stern Canoe from a local builder.[There is about $1500 in material and 200hrs labor in making one] When I told him the price was $4000 he turned bright red and said "You have lost your mind" and then promtly informed me that he had purchased a brand new canoe from this same builders Grandfather in 1953 when he came home from the Korean war for $200!!!!! And that I was crazy to pay that much for one!!! I then asked him to tell me what guides wages were; in the summer of 1953; and he said they paid $6 a day at Russels Lodge. So I did the math and it was "33" days work for him to pay for that canoe. At the time of the arguement we were getting payed $250 a day for fish guiding; so again I showed him that the canoe was going to take me "16 days" to pay for the same canoe, that it took him 33 days work on the same lake 50 years earlier. He thought about it for a while, and finally said "Well I guess thats right; if you want to figure it THAT way!" So I asked him how in hell else can you figure it, and he got up and left the table.
The fact that Ruger is targeting themsleves into this price range, doesnt look good for the American Economy to me!
Guns are cheaper than they EVER were if you use your weekly income as a standard to base this on.
I am guessing the reason that people are so interested in $300 guns is because they are making the minimum payment on two or three credit cards and Americans dont have as much saved as they did years ago ?????? So apparently it doesnt matter what you make; its what you saved????
My uncle and I got into a heat debate a few years ago when I told him I was going to buy a new Grandlake Square Stern Canoe from a local builder.[There is about $1500 in material and 200hrs labor in making one] When I told him the price was $4000 he turned bright red and said "You have lost your mind" and then promtly informed me that he had purchased a brand new canoe from this same builders Grandfather in 1953 when he came home from the Korean war for $200!!!!! And that I was crazy to pay that much for one!!! I then asked him to tell me what guides wages were; in the summer of 1953; and he said they paid $6 a day at Russels Lodge. So I did the math and it was "33" days work for him to pay for that canoe. At the time of the arguement we were getting payed $250 a day for fish guiding; so again I showed him that the canoe was going to take me "16 days" to pay for the same canoe, that it took him 33 days work on the same lake 50 years earlier. He thought about it for a while, and finally said "Well I guess thats right; if you want to figure it THAT way!" So I asked him how in hell else can you figure it, and he got up and left the table.
The fact that Ruger is targeting themsleves into this price range, doesnt look good for the American Economy to me!
DrMike
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I believe that is precisely the point, Earl.
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We argued this over in 24 hour. My point is this. If you want to save $$$ you can not beat this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Plus 35 bux for a barrel nut wrench and you have a switch barrel. Not a disposable gun and they shoot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
New in box. Sometimes cheaper than that! Trigger job is 2 minutes work
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =271174028
Plus 35 bux for a barrel nut wrench and you have a switch barrel. Not a disposable gun and they shoot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
New in box. Sometimes cheaper than that! Trigger job is 2 minutes work
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =271174028
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I guess I have to wonder where this is really going...I've no doubt that Ruger will sell a trainload and then some.
The guns may shoot and last forever...but they're still ugly.
I also don't understand the entire "budget" rifle mentality- I really believe price shouldn't be a significant consideration when you contemplate a purchase that should last generations. I realize that folks have all sorts of different situations so to each his own, but I'd rather have a couple quality rifles than a closet full of lesser pieces.
I've got several of my family's heirloom pieces- mostly from the Depression era/ Interwar era, despite the stalled economy- even the pieces that were "budget guns" show considerable care in manufacture, decent wood and a surprising amount of hand fitting. 80-90 years later they still work well, look great and I hunt with them from time to time still.
To drift a bit, I still think you're hard pressed to find a modern pump shotgun that can hold a candle to the M12 Winchester in any grade.
The guns may shoot and last forever...but they're still ugly.
I also don't understand the entire "budget" rifle mentality- I really believe price shouldn't be a significant consideration when you contemplate a purchase that should last generations. I realize that folks have all sorts of different situations so to each his own, but I'd rather have a couple quality rifles than a closet full of lesser pieces.
I've got several of my family's heirloom pieces- mostly from the Depression era/ Interwar era, despite the stalled economy- even the pieces that were "budget guns" show considerable care in manufacture, decent wood and a surprising amount of hand fitting. 80-90 years later they still work well, look great and I hunt with them from time to time still.
To drift a bit, I still think you're hard pressed to find a modern pump shotgun that can hold a candle to the M12 Winchester in any grade.
the Ruger all american?? another tupperware, not too much to
be seen, good for the season hunter, buy it put some cheapy bases
and rings and el cheapo scope and go to kill your deer at 50yds.
They are not for everyone,hihi.
with this economy from the $ standpoint they will be good sellers,
thats the way it is like someone said, i dont remember who???? :roll:
be seen, good for the season hunter, buy it put some cheapy bases
and rings and el cheapo scope and go to kill your deer at 50yds.
They are not for everyone,hihi.
with this economy from the $ standpoint they will be good sellers,
thats the way it is like someone said, i dont remember who???? :roll:
35 Whelen
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Of course all of us buy different things but I can tell you that I have been saving for a while now and my next rifle isnt going to be any more expensive than my Dads was back in 1946 when he came home as a young bomber pilot. It is going to be a Kimber and have a Swarvoski scope ontop of it as I have wanted one for years ........................ I dont need it and most certainly dont have to have it . But I will most certainly wind up with one. If you like cheapie guns that is cool too but I think this whole thing about seeing some craftsmanship with all the cool features is worth something to me that a cheap deal is never going to match . And it will still be about two weeks work............... :shock:[thats a 7 day week and a used scope!]
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Maybe its just the recoil pad.... :mrgreen:
35 Whelen said it best.
JD338
35 Whelen said it best.
JD338
