Your Berger Huunting VLD results

[Powerstroke]

I'll know more this weekend, but at the moment planning on using the 190gr VLD out of my .300RUM for elk this year.
I have a back-up load with the 180gr AccuBond, but have never been able to get the 200 grainers to shoot.

 

[nomosendero]

I tried the Berger 180's hard in my STW but could not get them to shoot better than the 160 gr TSX. They have better long range performance but out to 600 yards you just dial in a couple more clicks with the TSX. I have killed two elk with the TSX and so far have found them not as good as the Partitions, but this rifle does not like anything Nosler makes. One elk was killed with two shots at 150 yards the other with two shots at 320. My 02 and I am sticking with it.

Too bad your gun doesn't like Noslers, it would appear the 160 AccuBond would be a great choice otherwise.

 

[Big Squeeze]

Back to VLD hunting bullets. Anyone else have some opinions pictures f game taken with VLD's? Big Squeeze, you have taken bunch of hogs and elk with them, do you have any post mortem pictures of the destruction caused by them. Or maybe just entrance and any exits you might have gotten. Might add some more good talk to the bullet performance. It will be cool to compare it to the pictures of the AccuBond, PT and BT pictures on here. Scotty

........beretzs..................Unforntunately, I`ve never had that type of camera and as such I have never posted pics on line. Don`t know how. Have lots of 35mm photos though. Because I dropped and lost in a lake an expensive 35mm camera on a hunt several years ago, I just take one or two cheapie disposable cameras on hunts now.

Just another few thoughts. HSM offers hunting VLDs for the 300 Win factory ammo. Anyone can also go on Midway, reloaders nest, and other sites and read the VLD reviews or reports from,,,,"ACTUAL",,,,VLD users in the field on game.

It is one thing not to trust the VLDs based on "ACTUAL" personal field experience, as that deserves much credibility. It is quite another not to trust them based on no "ACTUAL" field experience, based on here-say, based on 2nd hand info or info handed down from one person to the next.

I`m not saying that the VLDs will always perform flawlessly as their designed to. All bullets regardless of the brand, in one form or another, to a small degree or to a larger degree, have had their defects and quirks. They are all man made.

Using the VLDs on game, I don`t look for the bullet to see what`s left of it. I don`t care about bullet weight retentions and I`m not interested in exit holes or in saving more meat. That I know, goes against the grain of many.

Instead, I`m interested in very quick kills with very little to no tracking afterwards as the end result. In that regard, I have yet to be disappointed with the "hunting" VLDs.

 

[Big Squeeze]

I'll know more this weekend, but at the moment planning on using the 190gr VLD out of my .300RUM for elk this year.
I have a back-up load with the 180gr AccuBond, but have never been able to get the 200 grainers to shoot.

.................I`ll be looking forward to reading your report using the 190 VLD on elk.

I used the same bullet on my elk last Nov. He staggered two to four yards after impacted through the right shoulder bone from 328 yards and down he went.

I was running some RL17 behing the 190 VLD @ about 2890 fps. My `lil 300 WSM Ruger Frontier compact needs all the boost it can get.

 

[SJB358]

Back to VLD hunting bullets. Anyone else have some opinions pictures f game taken with VLD's? Big Squeeze, you have taken bunch of hogs and elk with them, do you have any post mortem pictures of the destruction caused by them. Or maybe just entrance and any exits you might have gotten. Might add some more good talk to the bullet performance. It will be cool to compare it to the pictures of the AccuBond, PT and BT pictures on here. Scotty

........beretzs..................Unforntunately, I`ve never had that type of camera and as such I have never posted pics on line. Don`t know how. Have lots of 35mm photos though. Because I dropped and lost in a lake an expensive 35mm camera on a hunt several years ago, I just take one or two cheapie disposable cameras on hunts now.

Just another few thoughts. HSM offers hunting VLDs for the 300 Win factory ammo. Anyone can also go on Midway, reloaders nest, and other sites and read the VLD reviews or reports from,,,,"ACTUAL",,,,VLD users in the field on game.

It is one thing not to trust the VLDs based on "ACTUAL" personal field experience, as that deserves much credibility. It is quite another not to trust them based on no "ACTUAL" field experience, based on here-say, based on 2nd hand info or info handed down from one person to the next.

I`m not saying that the VLDs will always perform flawlessly as their designed to. All bullets regardless of the brand, in one form or another, to a small degree or to a larger degree, have had their defects and quirks. They are all man made.

Using the VLDs on game, I don`t look for the bullet to see what`s left of it. I don`t care about bullet weight retentions and I`m not interested in exit holes or in saving more meat. That I know, goes against the grain of many.

Instead, I`m interested in very quick kills with very little to no tracking afterwards as the end result. In that regard, I have yet to be disappointed with the "hunting" VLDs.

No worries, it sounds like you have a deadly combo with your 300WSM and the VLDS. Plus, that speed you are getting out of a shorty is unreal. Very impressive to say the least. Good luck this Fall. Hope you can scan and get some of those pictures put on a CD. If you send them my way I would be more than happy to put them up for you. I would be interested in seeing the wound channels of the Bergers. I am with you, I don't like to find bullets either, I am always hoping it makes a 2nd hole to bleed through! Scotty

 

[SJB358]

I tried the Berger 180's hard in my STW but could not get them to shoot better than the 160 gr TSX. They have better long range performance but out to 600 yards you just dial in a couple more clicks with the TSX. I have killed two elk with the TSX and so far have found them not as good as the Partitions, but this rifle does not like anything Nosler makes. One elk was killed with two shots at 150 yards the other with two shots at 320. My 02 and I am sticking with it.

Too bad your gun doesn't like Noslers, it would appear the 160 AccuBond would be a great choice otherwise.

I gave Bill a bag of 50 Accubonds to try out in his 7STW and he didn't have any luck with them. I was thinking the same thing. Scotty

 

[Big Squeeze]

Back to VLD hunting bullets. Anyone else have some opinions pictures f game taken with VLD's? Big Squeeze, you have taken bunch of hogs and elk with them, do you have any post mortem pictures of the destruction caused by them. Or maybe just entrance and any exits you might have gotten. Might add some more good talk to the bullet performance. It will be cool to compare it to the pictures of the AccuBond, PT and BT pictures on here. Scotty

........beretzs..................Unforntunately, I`ve never had that type of camera and as such I have never posted pics on line. Don`t know how. Have lots of 35mm photos though. Because I dropped and lost in a lake an expensive 35mm camera on a hunt several years ago, I just take one or two cheapie disposable cameras on hunts now.

Just another few thoughts. HSM offers hunting VLDs for the 300 Win factory ammo. Anyone can also go on Midway, reloaders nest, and other sites and read the VLD reviews or reports from,,,,"ACTUAL",,,,VLD users in the field on game.

It is one thing not to trust the VLDs based on "ACTUAL" personal field experience, as that deserves much credibility. It is quite another not to trust them based on no "ACTUAL" field experience, based on here-say, based on 2nd hand info or info handed down from one person to the next.

I`m not saying that the VLDs will always perform flawlessly as their designed to. All bullets regardless of the brand, in one form or another, to a small degree or to a larger degree, have had their defects and quirks. They are all man made.

Using the VLDs on game, I don`t look for the bullet to see what`s left of it. I don`t care about bullet weight retentions and I`m not interested in exit holes or in saving more meat. That I know, goes against the grain of many.

Instead, I`m interested in very quick kills with very little to no tracking afterwards as the end result. In that regard, I have yet to be disappointed with the "hunting" VLDs.

No worries, it sounds like you have a deadly combo with your 300WSM and the VLDS. Plus, that speed you are getting out of a shorty is unreal. Very impressive to say the least. Good luck this Fall. Hope you can scan and get some of those pictures put on a CD. If you send them my way I would be more than happy to put them up for you. I would be interested in seeing the wound channels of the Bergers. I am with you, I don't like to find bullets either, I am always hoping it makes a 2nd hole to bleed through! Scotty

......................The 300 WSM is an excellent short barreled performer. Jeff Quinn of "gunblast .com" fame, in the "archives" section going back to 2/22/05 which is there to read, chrony`d three different brands of 180 gr factory ammo using the same 300 WSM Ruger Frontier. His velocities ranged from 2716 fps up to 2796 fps. One of those factory brands from my rifle, averaged 2822 fps. Faster bore? Probably! Faster bores buys additional fps.

Secondly. The VLDs because of their ogive design, will have slightly less bullet surface against the bore as the bullet moves down the barrel. That buys a few more fps.

Now tack on some RL17, which is known to increase velocities in the 300 WSM. In my rifle`s case, an additional 90 to 110 fps (over any other powder used) using various VLD bullet weights were realized.

For example; 66.5 gr RL17 w/ 175 gr VLD gets me 2983 fps. That loading should get well over 3100 fps to about 3135 fps out of a 24" barreled 300 WSM. 66 gr of RL 17 using the 180 gr Speer is listed by Alliant @ 3082 fps from a 24" barrel.

69.0 gr RL17 using 155 gr VLDs gets me 3234 fps on average. That same loading which I duplicated off of the reloaders nest site, got that poster`s 24" 300 WSM 3380 fps.

My 190 gr VLD elk load which averaged 2890 fps, was with 65.0 gr RL17.

A faster bore + the VLDs + some RL17, make for some very good and higher than expected velocities from such a short 16.5" 300 WSM barrel.

Unreal velocities? No not really, once you understand how I get there.

 

[SJB358]

Good enough for me. Seems like a very portable rifle for sure with good all around speed! 300WSM is a cool cartridge. Probably one of the better ones brought out in the last ten years or so. Scotty

 

[Big Squeeze]

Good enough for me. Seems like a very portable rifle for sure with good all around speed! 300WSM is a cool cartridge. Probably one of the better ones brought out in the last ten years or so. Scotty

...........Yep! That`s the idea. A shorter, handier, a more manuverable, easier carrying, and a better all around user friendly rifle in the field that`s only 35.5" long, but which can exceed 24" barreled `06 performance.

In the 300 WSM, it is not just a shorter ranged rifle for the brush and timbers. For its size, it has quite a bit of longer ranged oooooomph for the open country as well.

She is a very loud beeee-otch though with some recoil behind her too!!! For hunting, my "Walker Game Ears" and Limbsaver slip on pad solve those issues.

 

[jmad_81]

So... I've been avoiding this one because I have never used them on anything.

Well tonight I smoked a young yote at 450 yards with a 95 VLD out of my .243 win. No sing of where the bullet entered, but the back side was a way different story! I could of shoved a football into that mess! Granted a pup yote is only a few inches thick to start with, but I wouldn't want that kind of a mess inside any deer or elk! Damn sure not on anything that could hunt me back!

 

[Guy Miner]

"I wouldn't want that kind of a mess inside any deer or elk! Damn sure not on anything that could hunt me back!"

You sure? :grin: If something's big and dangerous, I want to mess it up as bad as possible! I figure if it hasn't got a heart or lungs anymore, it probably can't run away, or at me either...

I understand about the 'yote though - those VLD's are pretty awesome on coyotes. The other side of this one was pretty mangled...

Actually though, for something Big and Dangerous like big bear, I'd much rather have a heavy Nosler Partition, for the penetration & bone breaking ability.

Regards, Guy

 

[bullet]

Guy, I really like the looks of that Remington CDL, that is one nice looking piece. I had a CDL in 35 Whelen and it was beautiful. Love the satin finish on that wood.

 

[FOTIS]

Yup it is a great looking rifle. The only short barreled rifles I like better be lever or no thanks.

 

[jmad_81]

Guy I see your point. I guess I just feel more comfertable with a bullet that will hold together more and have some bone crushing penitration. I want something that will take out the offside shoulder of a bull, bear, or someday a buff.

I have seen these bullets make some impressive kills on tv, I just don't trust them yet I guess.