RL33 in 264WM

mcseal2

Handloader
Nov 1, 2010
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Anyone tried it, any recipes? Might consider it for more speed from my 25" barrel with 140's if it's temp stable enough.
 
Cartridge : .264 Win. Mag.
Bullet : .264, 140, Nosler AccuBond 39457
Useable Case Capaci: 74.854 grain H2O = 4.860 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 25.0 inch = 635.0 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder 33

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 80 60.40 2442 1854 29019 12321 86.1 1.744
-18.0 82 61.91 2513 1964 31180 12804 87.9 1.699
-16.0 84 63.42 2585 2077 33526 13274 89.6 1.654
-14.0 86 64.93 2657 2195 36064 13727 91.2 1.610
-12.0 88 66.44 2730 2318 38816 14161 92.7 1.558
-10.0 90 67.95 2804 2444 41803 14572 94.0 1.504
-08.0 92 69.46 2878 2574 45048 14958 95.3 1.451
-06.0 94 70.97 2952 2709 48573 15315 96.4 1.400
-04.0 96 72.48 3026 2847 52358 15640 97.4 1.352
-02.0 98 73.99 3100 2988 56444 15932 98.2 1.305 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 100 75.50 3175 3133 60865 16187 98.9 1.260 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 102 77.01 3249 3282 65658 16402 99.4 1.216 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 104 78.52 3323 3433 70859 16575 99.8 1.174 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 106 80.03 3397 3587 76513 16705 100.0 1.133 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 108 81.54 3470 3743 82669 16789 100.0 1.094 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 110 83.05 3543 3902 89386 16855 100.0 1.056 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 100 75.50 3355 3499 75929 15690 100.0 1.145 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 100 75.50 2923 2657 46844 15573 91.9 1.411
 
Thanks, that looks pretty good. I may have to try some when I get time. I'd gain around 225fps from my current load.
 
It does look good. Anything over 3100 with a 140 is bonus
 
mcseal2":3kzcgr0v said:
Anyone tried it, any recipes? Might consider it for more speed from my 25" barrel with 140's if it's temp stable enough.

What are you using now and what velocities do you get with the 140's?
 
Dr Mike -
Run the 140's through QL with the 6.5 WSM (Rock) using R33 and see what it says. I found a nice load with R25 last Sunday, but only bought 1 lb of it for load work. It might be interesting to try R33 to see what happens before I invest in an 5 lb jug of the two.
 
Here you go, Joel.

Cartridge : 6.5 mm Rock (WSM)
Bullet : .264, 140, Nosler AccuBond 39457
Useable Case Capaci: 71.399 grain H2O = 4.636 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder 33

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 82 59.12 2438 1848 29965 12515 86.2 1.701
-18.0 84 60.60 2510 1959 32244 13006 88.0 1.656
-16.0 86 62.08 2583 2074 34716 13483 89.7 1.611
-14.0 88 63.55 2657 2194 37399 13942 91.3 1.564
-12.0 90 65.03 2731 2318 40315 14380 92.8 1.509
-10.0 92 66.51 2805 2446 43490 14794 94.2 1.455
-08.0 94 67.99 2880 2579 46941 15180 95.5 1.403
-06.0 96 69.47 2956 2716 50721 15535 96.6 1.353
-04.0 98 70.94 3031 2856 54807 15857 97.5 1.304
-02.0 100 72.42 3107 3001 59226 16143 98.3 1.258 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 102 73.90 3183 3149 64028 16389 99.0 1.213 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 104 75.38 3258 3300 69256 16592 99.5 1.170 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 106 76.86 3334 3455 74955 16750 99.8 1.128 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 108 78.33 3409 3612 81183 16861 100.0 1.088 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 110 79.81 3484 3773 88001 16928 100.0 1.049 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 112 81.29 3558 3936 95486 16983 100.0 1.012 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 102 73.90 3361 3512 80083 15845 100.0 1.103 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 102 73.90 2932 2672 49206 15820 92.2 1.359
 
I have eyeballed RL33 a bit, and there is extra speed there as well. Just not sure I wanna rework another load with RL25 shooting so well in my rifle. I think I'll be able to step away from the bench if I invest in a 5lb jug of RL25.. My cheap side will kick in and keep me away.

Plus, as long as nothing changes, RL25 and my 264WM are really awesome. Tickling 3200 with both the 140 BT and AB, AND, they shoot to exact same POI. It is a great combo. It is actually a ton of fun putting rounds on target out to 600, just paste the circle and press the trigger. Makes it really nice.
 
Very Nice I was wondering what about Noslers 120 BT & 130 AB? I am useing IMR 4350 with 120 BT Max load what would I gain ? Model 70 XTR with a 24 inch barrel is my Rifle. Is Reloader 33 temp sensitive ?
 
257 Ackley":6bcs5zwj said:
mcseal2":6bcs5zwj said:
Anyone tried it, any recipes? Might consider it for more speed from my 25" barrel with 140's if it's temp stable enough.

What are you using now and what velocities do you get with the 140's?

The only thing I've found it likes is 60gr of H4831 with a 140gr AccuBond or Berger. I tried for a long time to find a load and finally settled on this one. The seating depth is wrong according to Berger, but I found the AccuBond load and left the die set the same. The AccuBond load is running 3000fps and the Berger 2950fps.
 
SJB358":20ghldnt said:
I have eyeballed RL33 a bit, and there is extra speed there as well. Just not sure I wanna rework another load with RL25 shooting so well in my rifle. I think I'll be able to step away from the bench if I invest in a 5lb jug of RL25.. My cheap side will kick in and keep me away.

Plus, as long as nothing changes, RL25 and my 264WM are really awesome. Tickling 3200 with both the 140 BT and AB, AND, they shoot to exact same POI. It is a great combo. It is actually a ton of fun putting rounds on target out to 600, just paste the circle and press the trigger. Makes it really nice.

Tinkerer!

Leave well enough alone~ :mrgreen:
 
Mike,

Will you run a QL for N570, R-33, and Retumbo in a .264wm using 140gr Amax's? That will give me a idea of approximately where I should be for my 6.5-300wm. I'll try some in the next couple days to see what I get.
 
Cartridge : .264 Win. Mag.
Bullet : .264, 140, Hornady A-MAX 26332
Useable Case Capaci: 75.046 grain H2O = 4.873 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Vihtavuori N570

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 80 58.00 2501 1944 29566 12042 86.2 1.761
-18.0 81 59.45 2571 2055 31705 12499 87.9 1.717
-16.0 83 60.90 2642 2169 34010 12943 89.6 1.673
-14.0 85 62.35 2713 2288 36495 13372 91.1 1.631
-12.0 87 63.80 2784 2410 39176 13783 92.5 1.577
-10.0 89 65.25 2856 2536 42072 14175 93.8 1.524
-08.0 91 66.70 2929 2666 45199 14543 95.0 1.473
-06.0 93 68.15 3001 2799 48574 14887 96.1 1.424
-04.0 95 69.60 3073 2936 52174 15203 97.0 1.377
-02.0 97 71.05 3145 3075 56038 15490 97.9 1.332 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 99 72.50 3217 3218 60195 15745 98.6 1.288 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 101 73.95 3289 3364 64670 15965 99.1 1.246 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 103 75.40 3361 3512 69493 16151 99.6 1.206 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 105 76.85 3432 3662 74697 16298 99.8 1.167 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 107 78.30 3503 3815 80318 16406 100.0 1.129 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 109 79.75 3573 3969 86399 16478 100.0 1.092 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 99 72.50 3397 3587 74563 15297 100.0 1.175 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 99 72.50 2970 2742 46714 15132 91.5 1.438

Cartridge : .264 Win. Mag.
Bullet : .264, 140, Hornady A-MAX 26332
Useable Case Capaci: 75.046 grain H2O = 4.873 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder 33

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 79 60.40 2474 1902 28904 11890 86.8 1.781
-18.0 81 61.91 2545 2014 31055 12346 88.6 1.735
-16.0 83 63.42 2617 2129 33383 12787 90.2 1.690
-14.0 85 64.93 2690 2249 35903 13212 91.8 1.645
-12.0 87 66.44 2763 2372 38637 13617 93.2 1.593
-10.0 89 67.95 2836 2500 41603 13999 94.5 1.538
-08.0 91 69.46 2910 2632 44825 14356 95.7 1.484
-06.0 93 70.97 2984 2767 48321 14685 96.8 1.433
-04.0 95 72.48 3058 2906 52075 14984 97.7 1.384
-02.0 97 73.99 3132 3049 56125 15249 98.5 1.336 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 99 75.50 3206 3194 60508 15478 99.1 1.290 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 101 77.01 3279 3343 65256 15670 99.5 1.246 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 103 78.52 3353 3494 70406 15821 99.8 1.203 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 105 80.03 3426 3648 76002 15931 100.0 1.162 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 107 81.54 3498 3805 82092 16003 100.0 1.122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 109 83.05 3571 3963 88734 16064 100.0 1.084 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 99 75.50 3383 3558 75470 14960 100.0 1.174 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 99 75.50 2956 2716 46578 14966 92.4 1.444

Cartridge : .264 Win. Mag.
Bullet : .264, 140, Hornady A-MAX 26332
Useable Case Capaci: 75.046 grain H2O = 4.873 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Hodgdon Retumbo

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 83 57.60 2542 2009 30499 11860 96.9 1.729
-18.0 85 59.04 2609 2116 32661 12179 97.9 1.686
-16.0 87 60.48 2676 2226 34981 12464 98.7 1.643
-14.0 89 61.92 2743 2339 37478 12715 99.3 1.597
-12.0 91 63.36 2809 2453 40162 12927 99.8 1.544
-10.0 93 64.80 2875 2569 43051 13099 100.0 1.494
-08.0 95 66.24 2940 2686 46162 13235 100.0 1.446
-06.0 97 67.68 3004 2804 49516 13361 100.0 1.400
-04.0 99 69.12 3067 2924 53135 13483 100.0 1.355 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 101 70.56 3129 3044 57040 13601 100.0 1.312 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 104 72.00 3191 3166 61269 13715 100.0 1.270 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 106 73.44 3252 3288 65843 13824 100.0 1.230 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 108 74.88 3313 3413 70796 13928 100.0 1.192 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 110 76.32 3374 3539 76120 14027 100.0 1.155 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 112 77.76 3434 3666 81858 14121 100.0 1.119 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 114 79.20 3494 3795 88053 14210 100.0 1.085 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 104 72.00 3315 3416 76176 13224 100.0 1.167 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 104 72.00 3000 2797 48201 14334 99.5 1.408
 
I think RL 33 is worth a try in the 264 WM.
I just loaded up some RL 33 in my 338 RUM with the 300 gr AB to test.

JD338
 
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