35 WSM/35 Sambar

truck driver · Feb 25, 2015

With all the talk about the 325WSM I ran across this over on the Bullet forum. Looks like it would put the hurt on the 325WSM big time with the wider range of bullets available.
I'm sure Homer Oz can enlighten us on this one since it was created down under.

gerry · Feb 25, 2015

Naturally as a 35 caliber fan I thought about it and even necked up a 325 WSM case to 35 and seated a bullet, looks cool. I do wonder if it would have sold a bit better than the 325 has, guess we will never know. The 35 WSM should come quite close to duplicating the great 358 Norma Mag, it would be an easy wildcat to form and rebarreling a Short magnum action would be no problem.

Here is a 350 Rem mag that was rechambered to the round.

http://www.35cal.com/ruger77_350wsm.html

truck driver · Feb 26, 2015

That's one of the stories I read gerry. I would never build one since the trouble of resale would be almost impossible.

Oldtrader3 · Feb 26, 2015

Some of those loads are Kama-kazi loads!

gerry · Feb 26, 2015

Charlie, they don't seem to be excessive to me, that is less than 358 Norma speeds and the WSM case should be quite similar in capacity.

Rodger, I guess if a guy wanted to try a 350 WSM maybe keeping around a take off barrel in a standard WSM case would be good. Just have it swapped and sell the gun, consider it part of the cost for having a wildcat.

SJB358 · Feb 26, 2015

I was pretty close to doing a 35 WSM. Ended up with the Newton instead. I'm pretty sure In a Winchester it'd be really good as the magazine would allow seating the bullet into the case neck but not below the shoulder neck junction. I bet it could be made into a really handy package that made good use of the powder used.

I like just anything .358" so I'm kind of a sucker for the anyhow.

gerry · Feb 26, 2015

I know buddy, me too :lol:

Do you have the 350 WSM on Quickload? Would be neat to see what the round is capable of, should be quite close to the Norma and the Newton

SJB358 · Feb 26, 2015

I might have it Gerry. I'll check it out once I get back to my computer.

Your right though, they should all be relatively close in performance.

PJGunner · Feb 26, 2015

The only load of his that I was interested in was with the 225 gr. TSX which I shoot in my .35 Whelen. He only got 140 FPS more than what I get. I thought it would be more.

I shoot a .375 Taylor; the .338 Win. Mag. necked up to .375 caliber. Duplicates the .375 H&H in a 30-06 length action. Very accurate and kicked like an angry mule in that 7.5 pound rifle. It's one you carry a lot and shoot as little as possible. :lol:

Yes, wildcats are hard to get rid of. Probably have to rebarrel it to something more popular.
Paul B.

SJB358 · Feb 26, 2015

I guess I don't care too much about resale when my mind gets stuck on something. Chances are unless it's a complete dud I'll probably hold onto it for quite awhile.

Guy Miner · Feb 26, 2015

Fellow I know in Wyoming has a .375 WSM... Built for Alaska & grizzly.

DrMike · Feb 26, 2015

Code:

Cartridge          : .35/300 WSM (.35 Sambar)
Bullet             : .358, 225, Nosler AccuBond 50712
Useable Case Capaci: 68.678 grain H2O = 4.459 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 63000 psi, or 434 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-17                 108.1     71.8     4.65    2964   100.0    63000    8774   1.088  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                    109.6     70.9     4.60    2909    99.1    63000    8649   1.109  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     107.0     71.6     4.64    2908    97.1    63000    8728   1.102  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       107.0     71.6     4.64    2908    97.1    63000    8728   1.102  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                      104.7     67.0     4.34    2866   100.0    63000    7983   1.126  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                       103.6     67.0     4.34    2852    98.8    63000    8165   1.123  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                      110.0     69.6     4.51    2841    98.7    57782    8416   1.156  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                      104.9     65.0     4.21    2840   100.0    63000    7467   1.147  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                       97.2     64.9     4.20    2837   100.0    63000    7461   1.131  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                          110.0     68.9     4.46    2831    98.5    57158    8396   1.149  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204                          110.0     71.9     4.66    2828    94.0    60666    8424   1.122  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     110.0     71.9     4.66    2828    96.8    56877    8591   1.148  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                       98.8     61.2     3.96    2818   100.0    63000    7165   1.154  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                       104.9     67.3     4.36    2806    96.2    63000    8001   1.127  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460                       92.7     63.2     4.09    2799   100.0    63000    7270   1.140  ! Near Maximum !

Code:

Cartridge          : .35/300 WSM (.35 Sambar)
Bullet             : .358, 250, Nosler PART SP 44801
Useable Case Capaci: 70.787 grain H2O = 4.596 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   83    57.04   2272    2864   31538   7509     95.3    1.545
-18.0   85    58.47   2329    3011   33731   7714     96.3    1.503
-16.0   88    59.89   2386    3160   36087   7904     97.2    1.463
-14.0   90    61.32   2443    3313   38606   8079     98.0    1.418
-12.0   92    62.74   2500    3470   41335   8238     98.7    1.374
-10.0   94    64.17   2557    3629   44257   8379     99.2    1.331
-08.0   96    65.60   2613    3790   47407   8502     99.6    1.290
-06.0   98    67.02   2669    3955   50802   8605     99.9    1.251
-04.0  100    68.45   2725    4121   54465   8688    100.0    1.213  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  102    69.87   2780    4289   58426   8753    100.0    1.176  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  104    71.30   2834    4459   62714   8812    100.0    1.141  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  106    72.73   2888    4631   67363   8868    100.0    1.107  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  108    74.15   2942    4805   72415   8920    100.0    1.074  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  110    75.58   2996    4982   77907   8969    100.0    1.042  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  113    77.00   3049    5161   83911   9013    100.0    1.011  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  115    78.43   3102    5342   90469   9053    100.0    0.982  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    104    71.30   2940    4797   76629   8412    100.0    1.060  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    104    71.30   2671    3960   50706   9110     97.9    1.249

Code:

Cartridge          : .35/300 WSM (.35 Sambar)
Bullet             : .358, 250, Nosler PART SP 44801
Useable Case Capaci: 70.787 grain H2O = 4.596 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 63000 psi, or 434 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-17                 104.3     71.4     4.63    2838   100.0    63000    8816   1.139  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                           104.3     71.4     4.63    2838   100.0    63000    8816   1.139  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     109.2     73.6     4.77    2797    99.0    63000    8978   1.149  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     103.2     71.2     4.61    2789    98.4    63000    8935   1.154  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       103.2     71.2     4.61    2789    98.4    63000    8935   1.154  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                          108.8     70.2     4.55    2783    99.8    63000    8651   1.156  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                    105.7     70.4     4.56    2783    99.8    63000    8772   1.162  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                      108.2     70.6     4.57    2782    99.8    63000    8617   1.169  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204                          107.6     72.5     4.70    2754    96.5    63000    8804   1.152  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                      100.8     66.5     4.31    2735   100.0    63000    8013   1.181  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                       100.0     66.7     4.32    2730    99.6    63000    8293   1.174  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                110.0     69.4     4.50    2707   100.0    59486    7898   1.183  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                       93.5     64.3     4.17    2702   100.0    63000    7490   1.187  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                      100.7     64.3     4.17    2701   100.0    63000    7490   1.203  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                       101.4     67.1     4.35    2696    97.7    63000    8228   1.176  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             110.0     75.7     4.90    2687    95.8    59962    8462   1.179  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19                 110.0     71.8     4.65    2686    95.5    56017    8828   1.208  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                       94.8     60.5     3.92    2675   100.0    63000    7186   1.211  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           110.0     68.7     4.45    2665    99.3    55095    8299   1.234  ! Near Maximum !

Looks as if it would deliver a pretty good blow to anything shot with one of those bullets.

truck driver · Feb 26, 2015

If I had a 300WSM it might be something I would consider and send it to JES for a rebore and chamber job.

HomerOz · Feb 26, 2015

G'Day Fella's,

Truck Driver, I do remember the initial (only) magazine article on this cartridge!
IIRC, it was the idea of one of the people (Breil Jackson?) from http://www.gunsgame.com magazine.
I'm not sure if you can gain access to these articles via the interweb, so when I get a chance, I will try and locate this article!

It would certainly be an impressive performer but until I see the need, I'll stick with my .350 Rem Mags (Rem 763 & Ruger MkII stainless)!!!

Edited by Homer; I just went and had a look via the above web address, and then clicked on both Article Index and also Back Issues!
The whole story of this cartridge and rifle starts in the year 2002 in issue #34 then continues in 35, 36 and finishes in year 2003 in issue #37.
Unfortunately, you can only gain access to the first page (I think?) of each of these four articles via this web site, so I will try and track them down for you ASAP!!!

Hope that helps

Doh!
Homer

SJB358 · Feb 26, 2015

The poster data actually is a little stronger than what I get from my 20.5" barreled 35 Newton.

I'd think it would be a great one for a heavy game thumper. Seems like a good use for a WSM case. Plus the WSM cases are pretty danged tough.

DrMike · Feb 26, 2015

The twenty-four inch barrel helps velocities. Still, it would deliver quite a thump to whatever was shot with it. Loaded with a 280 grain Swift A-Frame, it would deliver a whoopin' on most anything.

Code:

Cartridge          : .35/300 WSM (.35 Sambar)
Bullet             : .358, 280, Swift A-Frame SS
Useable Case Capaci: 68.874 grain H2O = 4.472 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   81    53.84   2162    2905   33005   7219     97.3    1.582
-18.0   83    55.19   2212    3043   35144   7392     98.0    1.542
-16.0   85    56.53   2263    3184   37431   7552     98.7    1.503
-14.0   87    57.88   2313    3327   39878   7698     99.2    1.465
-12.0   89    59.22   2363    3473   42497   7829     99.5    1.427
-10.0   91    60.57   2413    3621   45302   7943     99.8    1.391
-08.0   93    61.92   2463    3771   48316   8041    100.0    1.356
-06.0   95    63.26   2512    3923   51549   8123    100.0    1.320
-04.0   97    64.61   2561    4077   55022   8197    100.0    1.282  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   99    65.95   2609    4232   58758   8268    100.0    1.246  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  101    67.30   2657    4388   62787   8337    100.0    1.211  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  103    68.65   2704    4547   67130   8403    100.0    1.177  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  105    69.99   2752    4707   71822   8465    100.0    1.144  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  107    71.34   2799    4870   76900   8525    100.0    1.112  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  109    72.68   2846    5035   82406   8580    100.0    1.082  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  111    74.03   2893    5202   88377   8632    100.0    1.052  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    101    67.30   2745    4685   76417   7987    100.0    1.129  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    101    67.30   2519    3945   51033   8716     98.9    1.320

gerry · Feb 26, 2015

Looks to be a dead ringer for the Norma and Newton with that data.

Oldtrader3 · Feb 26, 2015

It does and the .358 Norma. being a larger case (.338 necked up) is actually faster.

SJB358 · Mar 2, 2015

You aren't kidding Mike. Looks like it could be real slick in a nicely built Featherweight sorta rifle.

fwood · Mar 4, 2015

Nosler is making all sorts of new rounds I have no use for, but this is one I might bite on?

Fwood

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