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 Post subject: Re: Rifle/Bullet weight
PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:26 am 

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great replies and information

Gil, I think you have it covered

Hodgeman, Gil, Dan--it warms my heart to see the 30-30 war horse still being used

Charles, the 9.3 x 64 with a 286 woodleigh, will get it done!!!!

Guy and others, I am a little surprised at the light bullet weight you each use in the 06. We used the 180 and it seemed to work on all animals from whitetail to moose

Dr Mike, you also seem to like heavy to caliber bullets, as we did. At least we were always told our bullet weight selection was heavy to caliber, at least compared to some---ie, previous mention about the 06

The gentlemen on this side of the pond dont have the number of firearms each of you have and therefore they will shoot different weights in the same rifle.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:35 am 

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I like the heavier bullets for caliber, but quite honestly, if you aren't shooting far to where BC matters, alot of the lighter bullets such as the GS Customs, Barnes, Nosler E-Tip's, Partitions, Accubonds, A-Frames and similar will end up weighing as much as the older style heavier for caliber bullets and probably gain a touch of trajectory for max point blank range.

Sectional Density matters less and less with the bullets you see these days. Still doesn't mean you should totally ignore it, but it is a game changer. Fact is, it seems like you almost need to drop down in bullet weight to get good terminal effects with the heavier, yet lighter sorta bullets.

You hear more an more of folks using 130 grain mono's in fairly large rifles, we have one of our own that runs 168's in his 300 RUM and loves it. Early on I would have thought different but I hardly ever have a problem with penetration with bullets, might as well take the speed and drive them fast.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:44 am 

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and before we head back out to sea, let me respond Scotty.

I agree. Without a doubt many thing have improved, which includes bullet manufacturing, as well as "understanding" what the bullet does. Nobody is any better at understanding what each bullet does, or will do than you Scotty and I think that is not just commendable but important. I think, a lot of us older folks when we were your age felt "bigger was better" and possibly stopped right there in our analogy process. We actual discussed this at one of the meetings with the older gentlemen here recently and almost everyone agrees with what you just posted---yet, if they could hunt today they also admit they would probably use the same thing they always used.

Thank you Scotty, as you make an excellent point.

However, I still think I would use the 300 Norma Oryx and solids in the 375 H & H if hunting Cape Buffalo today. Is it needed probably not, but some habits are hard to change


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:54 am 

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As a certified codger (duffer(?), curmudgeon (?)), I grew up with "heavy for caliber" firmly implanted in my brain. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks, though not impossible. I primarily use 250 grain ABs in my 9.3X64 and 130 E-Tips in my 270 WSM. These bullets will just flat "git 'er done."

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:26 am 

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While not at antique status like the good doctor................. I was taught to hunt/shoot by both my dad and grandfather who were old school to say the least. They were always in the "Plenty" camp. Plenty of enough gun and plenty of enough bullet. Not super heavy but nowhere near light.

Their are two exceptions I can think of. One is a .270 with a 1:10 twist, for whitetail it should be fed 130 grain bullets. The other exception is the 9.3x64, I feed it the 250 grain AB's because it is a great combination of speed and weight for deer/elk. Probably bear too.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:37 am 

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I've got admit, if I lived somewhere that limited the number of rifles I could own I might be more tempted to vary bullet weights and types to extend the flexibility of any particular piece.

Modern bullets are something of a conundrum- we've lived by the "heavy for caliber bullets at moderated velocity" dictum for ages and it just flat worked...right up until bullets got so good at controlling expansion and stuff like mono-metals.

With those tougher bullets, heavy for caliber and moderate speed doesn't help- it hurts performance. I've seen a couple of those that simply penciled through and failed to expand at all. I've dug one out of a friend's moose that could (without exaggeration) be wiped off and loaded again for another trip down the barrel.

It seems the tougher the bullet, the better they perform pushed hard. That's why in some loadings those tough bullets just don't make sense. For instance, the 7-08, 308, 7x57, etc at those mild speeds cup and cores do just fine- no need to reinvent the wheel. When you see realistic impact speeds in the low 2k range- the standbys like the Corelokt, the Hot Cor and similar were perfected a generation ago.

It seems a lot of folks like to "over bullet" for those cartridges.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:48 pm 

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Don't get me wrong, I'd still run some 175 RN's in the 7x57 for fun and knowing I won't be shooting long, but most of the time I've settled down and like how the medium weights work for the most part. Heck, it's getting so a 175 grain 7mm bullet is a light one these days!!

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:12 am 

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Multiple loads per any rifle I have, properly zeroed for the load I choose for the Hunt. Only exceptions are the rifles I have/have had that only shot "one load well". I like to read John Taylor's glowing report on the .375 H&H but when I used one, I carefully zeroed the load I wanted to use and "if" the heavier bullet hit at same zero, wonderful, if not, still wonderful-wouldn't use it. A good 270gr is all that's needed anyhow.
I found out early that Life is too short, opportunities/finances too few and Obligations/Responsibilities too many and varied for me to hunt/shoot the way I wanted to! So, I had to be creative and hustle in order to do " a lot" of what I loved from age 13 to 50. Now, at 64, while not in the "Twilight of my years" I am definitely in the "mid afternoon", ha. I "should" have found out in my early 20s ( after I had some good Life experiences i.e work ethic, Military Service, wife & kids) that I had inherited a gazillion dollars. Then I could razzle dazzle my wife, educate my kids properly and still have time to hunt the World, accumulate warehouses of rifles ( ah, a few shotguns and pistols) and reload/shoot 6 days a week...church on Sunday, always! :)


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:01 am 

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Multiple loads per any rifle I have, properly zeroed for the load I choose for the Hunt. Only exceptions are the rifles I have/have had that only shot "one load well". I like to read John Taylor's glowing report on the .375 H&H but when I used one, I carefully zeroed the load I wanted to use and "if" the heavier bullet hit at same zero, wonderful, if not, still wonderful-wouldn't use it. A good 270gr is all that's needed anyhow.
I found out early that Life is too short, opportunities/finances too few and Obligations/Responsibilities too many and varied for me to hunt/shoot the way I wanted to! So, I had to be creative and hustle in order to do " a lot" of what I loved from age 13 to 50. Now, at 64, while not in the "Twilight of my years" I am definitely in the "mid afternoon", ha. I "should" have found out in my early 20s ( after I had some good Life experiences i.e work ethic, Military Service, wife & kids) that I had inherited a gazillion dollars. Then I could razzle dazzle my wife, educate my kids properly and still have time to hunt the World, accumulate warehouses of rifles ( ah, a few shotguns and pistols) and reload/shoot 6 days a week...church on Sunday, always! :)


I like the way you think buddy!

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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2017 5:47 am 

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Remington 700 .223 Rem. 53gr V-Max Hornady
Remington 700 6mm Rem. Varmint's to Antelope 85gr Sierra HPBT, Deer 100gr Hornady but I just picked up some 95gr Noslers BT to try.
Winchester .264 Win Mag 120gr Nosler BT, has been my Antelope & Deer load. I plan on moving up to a heavier bullet so I have a back up to my 300 H & H
Winchester 300 H & H 180gr Nosler AB for any hoofed game in North America.


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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2017 12:35 pm 

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223 - 53 vmax
270 - 129 Barnes LRX, 130 Partitions
375 HH - 250 Barnes TTX


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...hmmm, appears I'm the "odd man out". Only rifle I have 'one' load for is the .325 WSM, the .530 B.C. 220gr. Sierra SBT @2800fps takes it from the 'ho-hum', mediocre class of most of the 200gr (.400 B.C.) 'book loads' to very comparable to the 8mm RM/ .338 loads. Everything else, even the .223, has @ least a varmint or 'toy' load & a 'serious' hunting load. While I've managed to get 'match' loads in the .223 down into the 'teens', a 50gr. TNT over some TAC is consistently in the 1/4 MOA area, & costs about 1/2 of a match load. A light, fast varmint load & heavy hunting load for the .243, .25 WSM's & Creedmoor, toy loads, mule deer loads, & elk loads for the 7's & .300's. First time I loaded some 100gr. Sierra Varminteers for my 7mm RM I figured they'd never 'shoot', but they really surprised me, grouping as well or better than my hunting loads. They & the .30cal 110's allow for a lot of practice shooting over the off season, & have a pretty good 'near miss blast radius'. I usually pack a few rounds in my pocket for shooting the heads off grouse during hunting season...

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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 2:53 pm 
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Blkram wrote:
I like and use one load per rifle as well. The rifle will always be sighted in for that load.

Where I have multiple rifles in a given cartridge or caliber, I will stick to a given load for each rifle.

The exception to this will be the Dangerous Game Rifles; .....



Yes - That is my one and only exception, too.

I worked up 2 reloads for my 458 WM.
Took me 3 years of tinkering to get these 2 loads to:
1) Shoot to the same POI and then
2) Shooting to the same POA.

My work finally paid dividends - See:

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Two shot 1/16" CTC at 50 yds with irons sights.
Two different reloads:
1 is a 450 gr Swift-"A"
Other is a 450 gr Barnes flat nose solid.

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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 4:16 pm 

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Ray, nicely done!

I hope to achieve the same results!


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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 8:19 am 

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Ray that is some fine shooting (y). I love it when a plan comes together :wink:.

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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 11:13 am 

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I generally have 1 load per rifle, and I keep 50-100 rounds loaded and ready to roll for each. That way I have a choice when I go hunting on which rifle combo would work best for the intended circumstances.

With that said, I'm a consummate tinkerer. I like trying new things, and have tendency to keep shooting rifles that already have loads developed and loaded.

A couple good examples... When I finally got my hands on some RL-26, I started working on one of my 270's to see how it would do with 150's, instead of the 130 BT load I already had worked up. I liked the new combo so much, I now have two loads for this rifle. I doubt the original load will get hunted though, because the new combo works so well.

I did the same thing with a 6.5x55, RL-16 and 140 AB's, although it never worked better than the original load of H4831 with the same 140 AB's.

I also tried changing powders and bullets with my favorite 7-08. My original load of RL-17 and 140 BT's is awesome, but I wanted to see if all the hype was true about Big Game and 120 BT's. The new load lived up to the hype, and again, I have two loads for one rifle. For this one though I'm stuck between which one I'd actually hunt.

Most my rifles though have a single load, and I pick the gun/load based on conditions.


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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 4:13 pm 

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I tend to tinker too much, but I also have kids that I am thinking about. I tend to start out with one really good "do all" load, but then think about loading up a youth load and intermediate loads. I also tend to try different bullets and powders for funsies, and next thing I know I've found a half dozen or so loads that work well for my rifle.

Finnaddiction, I seem to be a lot like you


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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 7:00 am 
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 7:07 am 
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I never seam to be able to do the, one load for everything deal.... Though the 06 with a 165gr at 2900 will handle almost any situation I would be likely to encounter around here.
But here is a list of how I am set up
243 W. 70gr Armageddon/ Coyote. 95gr BT for Deer
25/06. 90gr Blitzkings./Coyote. 120gr Speer SPBT, Deer
6.5x55. 123gr SST Deer. 142ABLR. Long Stuff.
270W. 130 SST / Deer. 150ABLR. Long range game
30/06. 150/165 SST Deer. 210 grABLR. " "
35 Whelen. 250gr Speers. 250gr Kodiaks (Alaska)
All the rifles are zeroed at 200yds so I am good to 300yds
With a hold of over the shoulder on big game. All the rifles are either " hold over reticule Z600" or now CDS Leupolds
So I simply set them all up for the LR loads so they are spot on for any OVER 300 yd stuff. They are all so close with the standard loads, inside 300: I find its so minor, that
I dont need a cheat sheet. So without any hassle; I can shoot out to 300 without any problem. And with the LR loads the scopes are already set up with those loads! For shooting 300/600 yds.
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