6-06 or AI info

[remingtonman_25_06]

Have been thinking about picking up a donor savage long action to build a longer range coyote/cheaper 1K steel ringer.

I have been thinking about going with the 6mm-06, or even going the AI route.

Its basically a 240 wby without the cost of brass which is a big plus for me. Buy 25-06 brass and simply run it thru and fireform to your chamber.

I would go with a 26" stainless super match pac-nor, with 1-8". Wanting to get the 87g vmax to 3600fps and the 105 to 3300fps. Dont know if thats easily attainable or not but thats what I'd like to see with those bullets.

Figure I would shoot at the smallest 80g NBT, more then likely it would get fed the 87g vmax for out to 600-700, and then it would also have a load with the 105 amax out to 1K+

Anyone have any real world info on the 6-06 or AI and care to share some tid bits or some velocities attained would be great.

 

[CAhunter]

Rem- My brother built a 6-06 last year and it has been a great rifle. His is somewhat of a tight chamber and neck. I can tell you it shoots 105VLD over H1000 into bug holes @ 3250 with ease. Necking down brass is no problem using a bushing die. It would make an excellent 1k rifle with the 105Amax or 105VLD. Recoil is very mild also.

 

[Desert Fox]

If you're going to use the 87 grain V-Max, you should stay with 10 twist. The 8 twist is way too fast for the 87 and will probably shred it to pieces. I push this bullet to 3300 fps in my 6MM Remington and the trajectory is flatter than my 300 Win Mag loaded with 180 all the way to 1K.

 

[Woodycreek]

Been kicking around the same idea of the 6mm-06AI. #4 or #5 contour 1-8 twist 26" Pac-Nor and blueprint the Rem 700 action. Want to shoot 90gr AccuBond, 100gr Partitions and 105gr Amaxs. But looking at my 243AI with the 105gr Amax at 3180fps. I don't see a big enough gain for me to go with the 6mm-06AI. Still think it would be a cool build.

 

[jmad_81]

Been kicking around the same idea of the 6mm-06AI. #4 or #5 contour 1-8 twist 26" Pac-Nor and blueprint the Rem 700 action. Want to shoot 90gr AccuBond, 100gr Partitions and 105gr Amaxs. But looking at my 243AI with the 105gr Amax at 3180fps. I don't see a big enough gain for me to go with the 6mm-06AI. Still think it would be a cool build.

3180 with a 105! You guys are not helping the RADD! Just as I was telling myself that I didn't need to rechamber my .243 win to a 243 AI you have to go and do this to me!

It doesn't look like the 6-06 has much over the 6mm AI, or does it? I would think that a 6-06 AI would just be a bit faster yet. 3250 with a 105 is smoking! I have done a bunch or reading about the 6-284 as well. I think you'll have lots of options. I would vote for a 6mm AI in a long action so you could get your bullet seated all the way out. Just shoot the 105 A-max for everything @ 3200-3300. Or go with the 10 twist and shoot the 87 V-Max (short action) around 3400-3500 I would think.

Doing some shooting this weekend Jorey if ya want to join we can debate this all day I think :twisted: Maybe over a doggy or two...

 

[CAhunter]

Woody- What is your load with the 105Amax? I built a 243AI and love it. Using lapua brass Ive found it to really shine.

Rem- I forgot to mention in previous post and it has been touched on a bit about your rate of twist. 1:8 should be fine though. My bro's is a 1:8 and he has been shooting 90gr scirrocco's all the way up to 115VLD. All the big 6mm's are all very close in velocity just a matter of personal preference IMO. Also keep in mind you may not find the accuracy node at max charge.

 

[Woodycreek]

Jake,
You should just rechamber the 243 Win into the 243AI. Probably run you about $100 for the reamer and $50-$100 for the Smith work. I may know somebody that has a reamer :mrgreen: I think whatever 6mm wildcat you pick will be just fine for what it will be used for. 243AI, 6mmAI, 6mm-06AI, 6mm-284 would all be great picks for a build.

The load is 51.5gr of Retumbo with the 105 Amax, Win brass, and Fed 210M primers. I have enough room to go another grain maybe two? But that load shoots money!

 

[6mm Remington]

Or just go with a 6mm Remington!! :shock: I know I'm a big old smart @#%!!

 

[Woodycreek]

Or just go with a 6mm Remington!! :shock: I know I'm a big old smart @#%!!

David,
You really need to take the next step and go 6mmAI :idea:

 

[DrMike]

6mm Remington? What is that, David? Isn't that a mythical cartridge that was created in the fertile imagination of individuals deluded into thinking that the 243 Winchester was too good for their use? :mrgreen:

 

[JD338]

That 243 AI has a lot of cool factor to go along with the performance.
Of course, anything AI is cool. 8)

JD338

 

[usmc 89]

You can look up a 240 gibbs this is similar to the 6-06 AI only gibbs pushed the shoulder forward for more capacity. Reloaders nest should have info on both of these. If your looking at high bc 105s you may want to look at the berger 105vld .531 g1 .272 g7 and a jlk 105 is .523 g1 and .267 g7. Your amax is a .492 g1 and .252 g7. If your shooting up to and past 1k every little bit helps.

 

[remingtonman_25_06]

Thanks for the replies guys.

Doesn't sound like its to bad of an idea for a longer range coyote/steel rifle all in all.

I'm sure I'll have a few more ideas pop into my head before I get real serious, just wanted some real world info on the cartridges.

 

[SJB358]

I would like to see a 6mm Rem AI. I really think that would be something awesome to add just a little more over the 308 case and not so much as the 06 case. I have a feeling when the dust clears, that would be something I would build. Right now, I am happy goofing around with my son's 243! Scotty

 

[efw]

I've had my 6mm-250 for 2 yrs and have put about 800 rounds through it. I expect that another 5 or so yrs of that'll cause a need to either replace the Sako take-off w/ something new, or just recut the chamber to a longer cartridge that'll take up some of the burned-over throat.

I'll go w/ the later option, and run a 6-06. 80 gr monometal screamin along oughta kill any big game out there, and 70 gr NBT will do yeoman's work on the 'yotes I'm sure.

Sounds like fun!

of course then I'll just have to build another 6-250 !