Cartridges you can live without?

[Richracer1]

I'm in no hurry, I may wait for when one of them get a 460 or 500 revolver (especially if it's a PC model) in and do some trading for one of those.

 

[257 Ackley]

The only offensive thing I've read on the last 7 pages, was the fact that someone didn't think the 35 Whelen was an essential cartridge.

I had to step away from my computer, take a calming shot of bourbon, and try to keep my hands from shaking. Sacrilege! Heresy! Burn the apostate!

You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning! 9:10 a.m. The only time I drink that early is when I'm fishing!

Yep...that was just me stirring the pot to see how many of you Whelen guys would come out of the woodwork :mrgreen: . I can live without a 35 Whelen because I have a superior caliber based on the same case. :wink:. We all know that there isn't enough difference between the two calibers to matter.

 

[FOTIS]

It's always after 5 o'clock---somewhere in the world.
:mrgreen:

I am on Greek time when it suits me!

Just Ask Jim! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

 

[FOTIS]

Well, lately I've been thinking or reducing my rifle inventory, yeah I know, blasphemy!!

Anyway his the list of calibers on to potential "to go" list:

Savage (can't remember the model but it has a nice wood stock) - 308 Win
Vanguard Sporter - 30-06
A-bolt stainless stalker w/BOSS - 338WM

I think the scopes will be removed as two of them are sporting VX2s and the 308 has a VX3.

Nothing wrong with any of those calibers, but with having a 270WSM and all 4 RUMs, I don't need them.

I'm not listing them here as I don't want to deal with getting a rifle shipped.

I am the king----or next to kin of the king----- of shipping.

PM me for any help needed ------------------------

 

[usmc 89]

wasn't "trolling"- at least not intentionally

I don't care who you vote for.

Nice, welcome to the forum jason, love your posts and your attitude.

 

[longguner]

rifle magnums

So you would hunt Africa's Big 5 with?????????????

......a TV remote. how about you?

Not a bad response from a poor man who is only be able to hunt Pennsylvania black bear and whitetail.... LOL

But if I were able to hunt the Africa's big 5... then the larger mags would be needed...ie., 416 rigby, 458 Lott, 375 H&H,..... but up to griz here, 7mm Rem. mag .338, Win mag, .300 win mag, are not needed.

 

[Oldtrader3]

I strictly live vicariously through all of you presently, due to illness, but that is okay. I am making a hunting comeback, just wait!

 

[SJB358]

but up to griz here, 7mm Rem. mag .338, Win mag, .300 win mag, are not needed.

Need has so little to do with it. Until your actually amongst the animals and actually hunting the animals like grizzly, elk and moose, you can't fathom the longer ranges that are called upon to make kills. The extra energy from the 300's, 7mm Mags, and 338's don't go to waste. Not arguing with you, but most never complain of the energy they deliver and wished they used less.

 

[longguner]

I'd be happy if the world were without any handguns or their cartridges.

For rifles, the only ones I have any use for/intention of ever using are:

rimfire and/or .224 centerfire of your choice
30/30, 35 Rem, 45/70, etc in an open sighted, short lever action
.243 win, 250 savage, or 257 roberts
6.5 Creedmoor, 7mm-08, 6.5x55, or 7x57
7mm Rem, 30-06, or .338 Win

I can't think of any role that could be filled better by any other cartridge, and I don't understand shooting anything that might require a bigger bullet. Walking up to an animal that isn't afraid of you and shooting it at point blank range, when you aren't doing it for the meat, isn't hunting. It's trophy shooting. And I have about as much use for that as I do for a concealable weapon to be utilized against people.

I'd be happy if the world were without any handguns or their cartridges

Ummmm, Jason.... living in a liberal city like Denver, you don't anticipate any home invasions?

I don't understand shooting anything that might require a (larger diameter) bigger bullet.

If Elmer Kieth was alive he'd really like you.... He loved Jack O'Connor.

Walking up to an animal that isn't afraid of you and shooting it at point blank range, when you aren't doing it for the meat, isn't hunting. It's trophy shooting. And I have about as much use for that as I do for a concealable weapon to be utilized against people.

1- You can kill a critter at leat at 100 yards with a 44 magnum.
2- And I take it if you were among the innocient in that movie theater otherwise you would have a different attitude about concealed carry? Why wait for that to happen?

 

[longguner]

Wow Jason - quite a stand against handguns! However I respect your opinion. It just surprises me, probably because I was raised around handguns. Dad had them. Grandpa had them. And I've made a living most of my adult life, carrying one. Still, I do respect your opinion.

Re the hunting - I'd say most of us here with computers, cars, cell phones, etc... Aren't really hunting for food. We may eat what we kill or catch, but we're really doing it because we enjoy it. For example, the salmon I brought home from my recent trip to Alaska was an awful lot of fun to catch, but it would have been a lot less expensive and a lot less trouble to just buy fish at the local market. Still, other than predators and varmints, I mostly eat what I kill, from ducks to deer & elk.

If I were a police officer or a drug dealer(not that they are the same, and absolutely not a knock against policemen), I could see owning a handgun. But since I don't plan on murdering anyone, have no desire to enter a dangerous situation along with the ability to generally avoid them, and don't believe worldly possessions are worth killing a person to defend, I'll pass.

As far as game, I understand that it's easier to go to the supermarket and grab some 'burger than it is to harvest and process a deer/moose/elk. I also understand the allure in going out in the field to wage a battle of wits and harvest your own food. I meant more along the lines of dangerous game "hunting". I saw a hunting show where some woman walked up to an elephant and shot it in the face a couple of times. Good job, great skills you have there... The same can be said for another show where another hunter(and another woman) walked up to a grizzly bear, while it watched her the entire time, and put an arrow into it while it sun-bathed on a snow bank. Congratulations... Why don't you just go down to the zoo, "sneak up" on a giraffe, slit its throat, and then make a nice rug out of it and throw the meat out? I can understand how people become anti-hunting if the depiction in these tv shows is what they think hunters do all the time.

have no desire to enter a dangerous situation along with the ability to generally avoid them, and don't believe worldly possessions are worth killing a person to defend, I'll pass.

1- I don't think any of us are invincible.

Let me see if i get this straight as I commented on another of your posts....

about the movie theater.... you would have been able to avoid that aye?

2- If someone would want to go up against a firearm for your "worldly possessions" then they would want more than you possessions. What's the difference if a cop held or shot dead a thug breaking into your house to steal your stuff? You "letting them" come into your house to take your stuff, is allowing them to break the law. The law is alowing you to become a "police officer" of your own home. Imagine if people didn't police thier, "worldly possessions" and just threw up thier hands and said, "the hell with it, come in and take what you want, who cares?" Have you ever watch the movie, "The magnificent seven?" If not watch it some time. The bandits take more than thier, "worldly possesions". Ever hear the saying "give an inch take a yard?" I'm sure you have. Think on these things.

3- As far as game.... well it's about conservation/managment. EVERYTHING has to be managed. We aren't living in the Garden of Eden.

 

[longguner]

but up to griz here, 7mm Rem. mag .338, Win mag, .300 win mag, are not needed.

Need has so little to do with it. Until your actually amongst the animals and actually hunting the animals like grizzly, elk and moose, you can't fathom the longer ranges that are called upon to make kills. The extra energy from the 300's, 7mm Mags, and 338's don't go to waste. Not arguing with you, but most never complain of the energy they deliver and wished they used less.

Anyone I ever talked to, said 400 to 500 yards.. was it. I know a guy who wacked a moose at 600, with an aught6 and the thing didn't go far.. 25 yards the most.

I think the longer ranges are just what some folks WANT to make thier kills at. I would think in open country you have the wind in your favor and have knolls and ridges to cover you to stalk closer than 1000 yards. But hey, why bother with a .338 win mag right?

 

[CMBTshooter]

longguner,

We all know a guy :lol:

You can shoot far with a .30-06 but may people including myself would prefer to have that extra power at extended ranges. Open country winds have almost never been in my favor and those ridges and draws are a little bit harder to move through for a person than a pronghorn.

 

[longguner]

CMBT

The guy is a gunsmith. And the 06 is more than adaquate.

Why would you prefer extra power when it's not needed?

Help me understand this.

 

[CMBTshooter]

I like the extra power mainly because of the reliability of the killing power. I'm not saying that a .30-06 can't make a clean and effective kill, I'm just saying that I personally try to mitigate risks that are within my control. Recoil and rifle weight don't bother me either so why not go magnum?

 

[longguner]

I like the extra power mainly because of the reliability of the killing power. I'm not saying that a .30-06 can't make a clean and effective kill, I'm just saying that I personally try to mitigate risks that are within my control. Recoil and rifle weight don't bother me either so why not go magnum?

mitigate risks

what kind of risks? like a less than perfect shot? the angle of the shot? What?

 

[Woodycreek]

I would rather shoot through both shoulders of an elk 400-500 yards with a 338 Win mag over a 243 Win, 308 Win, or 270 Win. That 200-250 gr bullet will have no problem taking out both shoulders.

 

[longguner]

I would rather shoot through both shoulders of an elk 400-500 yards with a 338 Win mag over a 243 Win, 308 Win, or 270 Win. That 200-250 gr bullet will have no problem taking out both shoulders.

Why you would mention the .308 or the .243,.. to kill an elk,.. at that distance, is beyond me.

As far as taking out both shouders is also beyond me. A spine shot would suffice.

 

[Oldtrader3]

Spine shots are risky. There is "Taint" (taint spine, taint lung) that you can hit and you can hit one of the spines off of the vertebrea, not sever the spine and knock an animal out but not kill it. I never take a spine shot at more than 50 yards. On elk, they are hard to kill very often and do not cooperate. The last one that I shot at about 140 yards with a .30-06, 180 grain Partition was shoulder broken on the off side, high lung shot and still staggered 100 yards and was standing spraddle legged with his head down. It took two more bullets at about 50 yards, through the heart-lungs, to lay that boy down!

My normal rifle for elk is the .340 Weatherby with 225 Partitions at about 3100 fps. Hit a bull elk with that bullet and hit him hard and he will be done fast!

 

[SJB358]

what kind of risks? like a less than perfect shot? the angle of the shot? What?

Without a doubt, a less than perfect shot. I actually don't plan to ever shoot more than 600 yards and would prefer everything to be under 400. I plan for the worst and hope for the best. Also, I generally use 1500 Ftlbs as my minimum on target energy. Not so much for the energy, but in order to create enough bullet upset to be effective. Nothing against a 30-06, but it takes a very sleek bullet humping pretty quickly to get to 600 with the numbers. Again, I have no dog in this fight, I just hunt elk/deer. I have my minimums for them, but they are mine and not for everyone.

I would never, ever tell someone they need to use what I use, but if you shoot it well, under hunting conditions, you are much better off than you are with something you aren't skilled with. But if you can use the extra power to your advantage, why not?

 

[SJB358]

I would rather shoot through both shoulders of an elk 400-500 yards with a 338 Win mag over a 243 Win, 308 Win, or 270 Win. That 200-250 gr bullet will have no problem taking out both shoulders.

Why you would mention the .308 or the .243,.. to kill an elk,.. at that distance, is beyond me.

As far as taking out both shouders is also beyond me. A spine shot would suffice.

If you can drill an elk in the spine everytime, heck, a 243 would get it done for you everytime at just about any range.. I am however not that good of a shooter. I will take the shoulders on a bull. Larger target and more room for error.