First sighting of RL33

[Wincheringen]

Powder Valley is showing some RL33 on their list now. No mention from Alliant yet but it should be interesting.

http://powdervalleyinc.com/

 

[DrMike]

Maybe one day it will show up in Canada. However, it normally takes a year or two to get it up here. The positive aspect of that delay is that many of the problems with using the powder will have been worked out before I start dealing with it.

 

[Horsethief]

Is RL-33 slower or faster burning than H-1000? I am guessing it is slower.

 

[SJB358]

I think it is pretty slow. It looks to be about like V570 on most data I've seen. I would love to try it with the WSMs and the 264 with heavy bullets. It looks really good.

 

[usmc 89]

I have not heard about the burn rate as to where it falls on the list, apparently the military is testing it in the 338 lapua and finding it 150fps faster than the normal offerings. it does utilise the same technology as reloaded 17 and is made by the same Swiss company that makes re-17. May be looking to try some in the 300 norma AFTER there is some valid data out.

 

[gerry]

Good idea to wait for data after seeing how many guys were hot rodding RL 17 before proper data came out. Some of the loads posted on 24hourcampfire and HuntingBC were scary.

 

[usmc 89]

Exactly Gerry, I have a extractor laying somewhere in Wisconsin as a result of using re-17 in a 6.5-284. The scary part was the fact I fired four rounds before it with no problems.

 

[SJB358]

I have not heard about the burn rate as to where it falls on the list, apparently the military is testing it in the 338 lapua and finding it 150fps faster than the normal offerings. it does utilise the same technology as reloaded 17 and is made by the same Swiss company that makes re-17. May be looking to try some in the 300 norma AFTER there is some valid data out.

Jeff, QL does show RL33 data, so if you want some let me know.

 

[wildgene]

I think it is pretty slow. It looks to be about like V570 on most data I've seen. I would love to try it with the WSMs and the 264 with heavy bullets. It looks really good.

...not sure it's going to be better than RL-17 in the shorts, sounds like it's designed to be a little bulky/ weight to maximize case fill on the large magnum cases, too "slow" to hit the optimum burn profile for the short mags, but heavier boolits in the .264 & 7mm's might be getting a "substantial boost" {ooo-rah!!!}...

...I suspect that just like N205 or RL-17, it's not going to be "The Answer" or "One Powder fits All", but it's going to work extremely well for what it was designed to do, same as RL-17...

 

[JD338]

I am looking forward to giving RL 33 a try in my 338 RUM with the roo gr AB.
As of now Alliant does not have any load data available, which is a surprise to me.

If someone wants to run QL, that would be great!

JD338

 

[bullet]

I am looking forward to giving RL 33 a try in my 338 RUM with the roo gr AB.
As of now Alliant does not have any load data available, which is a surprise to me.

If someone wants to run QL, that would be great!

JD338

Yes, I will be watching the results you get and other magnums before I try it in my 8mm Rem Mag, but should be interesting indeed. :mrgreen:

 

[SJB358]

I am looking forward to giving RL 33 a try in my 338 RUM with the roo gr AB.
As of now Alliant does not have any load data available, which is a surprise to me.

If someone wants to run QL, that would be great!

JD338

I got ya Jim..


Cartridge : .338 Rem Ultra Mag
Bullet : .338, 300, Nosler AccuBond 54851
Useable Case Capaci: 89.671 grain H2O = 5.822 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.600 inch = 91.44 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder 33

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 95 85.84 2433 3943 44051 11215 97.0 1.647
-09.0 96 86.80 2463 4043 45778 11330 97.5 1.618
-08.0 97 87.75 2494 4144 47582 11438 97.9 1.590
-07.0 98 88.70 2525 4246 49469 11540 98.3 1.562
-06.0 99 89.66 2555 4350 51442 11635 98.6 1.534
-05.0 100 90.61 2586 4454 53510 11723 98.9 1.507
-04.0 101 91.56 2616 4560 55673 11803 99.2 1.481 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 102 92.52 2647 4667 57940 11876 99.4 1.455 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 103 93.47 2677 4775 60309 11941 99.6 1.429 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 104 94.43 2708 4884 62777 11998 99.8 1.404 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 105 95.38 2738 4994 65353 12047 99.9 1.379 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.0 106 96.33 2768 5105 68048 12088 100.0 1.355 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 107 97.29 2798 5216 70867 12120 100.0 1.331 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 108 98.24 2828 5329 73820 12144 100.0 1.308 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 109 99.20 2858 5443 76913 12165 100.0 1.285 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 110 100.15 2888 5557 80155 12185 100.0 1.263 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 105 95.38 2868 5480 82242 11467 100.0 1.262 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 105 95.38 2543 4309 50231 12050 95.2 1.537

 

[kraky]

So...i just got a new ql update and like above its in there...how do they get it before alliant publishes? Ql has european heritage...did they get it from the mfg?

 

[DrMike]

The manufacturers supply Harmut Broemel with samples of powders and bullets to build his data for QL. If they fail to supply (as was the case with LeverEvolution and SuperFormance and a few other selected powders) they aren't included in the data base for calculations.

 

[JD338]

Thanks Scotty.
I will be on the look out for RL 33. I think it is worth a try.

JD338

 

[FOTIS]

Is RL-33 slower or faster burning than H-1000? I am guessing it is slower.

slower, as is rl25

 

[FOTIS]

I want to try it in my 270 WSM Tikka.

 

[usmc 89]

Judging by the quick load numbers it seems to fall right next to retumbo in the burn rate . seems like I was running 93.5 grains in the 338 um with the 300 grain Berger. Scott if you could run those numbers for the 300 Norma with a 210 vld and a 230 hybrid that would be swell, have your brass you want me to ship it or do you want to pick it up on your way through?

 

[DrMike]

Jeff,

Here are the numbers you requested.

Cartridge : .300 Norma Mag
Bullet : .308, 230, Berger Hybrid G7 #30428
Useable Case Capaci: 95.294 grain H2O = 6.187 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.680 inch = 93.47 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder 33

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 79 76.16 2255 2597 30443 12794 89.4 1.797
-18.0 81 78.06 2319 2747 32703 13258 91.0 1.750
-16.0 83 79.97 2384 2901 35147 13706 92.4 1.704
-14.0 85 81.87 2448 3061 37790 14134 93.8 1.655
-12.0 87 83.78 2514 3227 40654 14540 95.0 1.596
-10.0 89 85.68 2579 3397 43745 14922 96.1 1.542
-08.0 91 87.58 2645 3572 47048 15276 97.1 1.489
-06.0 93 89.49 2710 3751 50596 15599 98.0 1.438
-04.0 95 91.39 2776 3935 54419 15890 98.7 1.389 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 97 93.30 2841 4123 58541 16146 99.2 1.341 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 99 95.20 2907 4315 62992 16365 99.6 1.296 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 101 97.10 2972 4511 67802 16543 99.9 1.252 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 103 99.01 3037 4710 73007 16680 100.0 1.210 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 105 100.91 3101 4912 78649 16785 100.0 1.169 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 107 102.82 3165 5117 84776 16882 100.0 1.130 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 108 104.72 3229 5326 91440 16972 100.0 1.092 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 99 95.20 3056 4770 78129 15732 100.0 1.182 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 99 95.20 2691 3699 48553 16061 94.1 1.449

Cartridge : .300 Norma Mag
Bullet : .308, 210, Berger VLD G7 #30415
Useable Case Capaci: 98.587 grain H2O = 6.401 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.680 inch = 93.47 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon Retumbo

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 83 75.68 2387 2658 31346 12836 97.1 1.692
-18.0 85 77.57 2451 2800 33566 13183 98.1 1.648
-16.0 87 79.46 2514 2947 35952 13495 98.8 1.606
-14.0 89 81.36 2577 3096 38514 13769 99.4 1.556
-12.0 91 83.25 2639 3248 41271 14003 99.8 1.505
-10.0 93 85.14 2701 3403 44235 14194 100.0 1.456
-08.0 95 87.03 2763 3559 47427 14350 100.0 1.409
-06.0 97 88.92 2823 3717 50867 14498 100.0 1.363
-04.0 99 90.82 2883 3876 54577 14643 100.0 1.319 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 101 92.71 2942 4037 58581 14783 100.0 1.277 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 104 94.60 3001 4200 62914 14918 100.0 1.236 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 106 96.49 3060 4365 67596 15048 100.0 1.197 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 108 98.38 3118 4532 72620 15173 100.0 1.159 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 110 100.28 3175 4702 78024 15292 100.0 1.123 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 112 102.17 3233 4873 83848 15406 100.0 1.088 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 114 104.06 3290 5048 90133 15513 100.0 1.054 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 104 94.60 3117 4531 78016 14398 100.0 1.135 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 104 94.60 2822 3714 49401 15583 99.5 1.371

Cartridge : .300 Norma Mag
Bullet : .308, 210, Berger VLD G7 #30415
Useable Case Capaci: 98.587 grain H2O = 6.401 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.680 inch = 93.47 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder 33

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 80 79.68 2336 2544 30098 12983 87.4 1.735
-18.0 82 81.67 2403 2693 32352 13480 89.1 1.690
-16.0 84 83.66 2472 2848 34789 13962 90.8 1.645
-14.0 86 85.66 2540 3009 37433 14425 92.3 1.597
-12.0 88 87.65 2610 3176 40299 14868 93.7 1.542
-10.0 90 89.64 2680 3348 43410 15286 94.9 1.487
-08.0 92 91.63 2750 3526 46777 15676 96.1 1.435
-06.0 94 93.62 2820 3709 50386 16036 97.1 1.385
-04.0 96 95.62 2891 3896 54277 16362 97.9 1.337 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 98 97.61 2961 4089 58483 16652 98.7 1.291 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 100 99.60 3032 4285 63033 16904 99.2 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 102 101.59 3102 4486 67962 17114 99.6 1.203 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 104 103.58 3172 4691 73310 17280 99.9 1.161 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 106 105.58 3242 4900 79120 17399 100.0 1.121 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 108 107.57 3311 5112 85447 17488 100.0 1.082 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 110 109.56 3380 5327 92348 17568 100.0 1.045 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 100 99.60 3197 4766 78416 16322 100.0 1.134 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 100 99.60 2797 3649 48513 16393 92.9 1.395

 

[jmad_81]

I'm really happy with what H1000 is doing in my STW, but I want a pound of this to play with. Don't know how it would fair in a 270 Weatherby, but I might have to try it as well. Right now 7828ssc seems to be in the lead.