Model 70 Coyote in .223 WSM

[cavpilot]

I'm trying to develop an accurate (vs. fast) load for a Winchester M 70 Coyote in .223 WSM. I've tried a variety of bullets and powders but still not satisfied. I'm getting 1.5" to 2" groups or worse at 100yds from the bench. Has anyone else experimented with this rifle/caliber combination and come up with a good formula? I'm starting to think some of the problem is in the rifle and thinking about looking into accurizing. Any help or opinions would be appreciated. Thanks!

 

[FOTIS]

With a setup like that you should be breaking 1/2" at 100. Maybe you got a lemon! Try 50 gr BT with 4064. Never seen a good 223 NOT shoot this load.

 

[remingtonman_25_06]

If its the 223 WSSM, then your results aren't that out of the ordinary from what I've been reading lately. Them short fat suckers just seem to be a pain to get to shoot for some. Been a lot of problems with the 243 and 25 WSSM's getting to shoot in Winchester rifles as well. I think its a winchester problem and would bet that somethings wrong with the barrel. You should be getting at worst 1.5" 3 shot groups at 100 yards, and should have no problems getting under 1".

 

[cavpilot]

Thanks. You've pretty much confirmed my thoughts on this and my expectations of this rifle. I have an A-Bolt in .300 WSM and it's a tack driver; I think the short mag concept is a good one. I'm going to look into accurizing and see if it makes a difference. Thanks again.

 

[rkymt hunter]

I shoot a 243 wssm in a browning and have 3 friends shooting them also played around with loads from "handloads.com" have had pretty good luck check out the site,and i have had some loads that just don't shoot so scrap them you might be pushing to fast when i went down 2 gr form the max loads was the best groups good luck :grin:

 

[CamoWildcat]

I have a Win 70 Super Shadow 223 WSSM. My results so far have been mixed. I recently discovered that a dollar bill hangs up in places while passing between barrel and stock. So I replaced the stock with the one I took off my 243 WSSM when I installed a laminated stock on that gun. Results are improving. So far, my best group is .8" using 44 grains of Varget to push a 50 grain V-Max moly at 3900 FPS. I may end up bedding the old stock since I have one to play with. Let me know your results and I will do the same.
By the way, I have a Coyote Lite 300 WSM and it shoots gr8 groups.

 

[CamoWildcat]

If its the 223 WSSM, then your results aren't that out of the ordinary from what I've been reading lately. Them short fat suckers just seem to be a pain to get to shoot for some. Been a lot of problems with the 243 and 25 WSSM's getting to shoot in Winchester rifles as well. I think its a winchester problem and would bet that somethings wrong with the barrel. You should be getting at worst 1.5" 3 shot groups at 100 yards, and should have no problems getting under 1".

I wish you would confine your negative comments to guns that you actually own - or at least have shot. I have a 'Wally World Special' Winchester Model 70 Super Shadow in 243 WSSM that shoots .5 MOA.
And you should be careful about being willing to bet - someone just might take you up on it.