Nosler 200+ grainers VS Berger

[matthewusmc8791]

So when is Nosler going to start getting into the long range game...

210grain or 215 grain solids by nosler would be the cats ass. 1.5".. .350 G7 BC too... :grin:

 

[SJB358]

Not sure for the 30's, but they will have some 300gr AB's out shortly. We might just have to step up to Lapua's to use them!

I do think Nosler could use a few LR bullets that could be utilized by alot of common cartridges, like a high BC 7mm and 30 cal. Those would be a good place to jump in. Scotty

 

[Woodycreek]

I would like to see a higher B.C. 30cal AccuBond. The 200gr AB with a B.C. of .588 and going 3171 will work just fine for now.

 

[Oldtrader3]

I am waiting for the 300 grain AB in .338 to come out to try in my .340 Bee and see what level of velocity and accuracy I can get with them. This may be my new Roosevelt elk brush load for the .340 Bee!

 

[35 Whelen]

:mrgreen: How about a 300 gr PT for the .358 crowd ????????????????? :mrgreen:

 

[SJB358]

:mrgreen: How about a 300 gr PT for the .358 crowd ????????????????? :mrgreen:

I would take a 275/280 PT! All this heavy bullet talk has me wanting to go monkey around with the 338 a little! I hate when that happens.

 

[Oldtrader3]

I notice that Hodgdon has lawyered their data down to 2800 fps for the 200 grain bullet in the .340 Weatherby which is less than the .338 data!

 

[SJB358]

I notice that Hodgdon has lawyered their data down to 2800 fps for the 200 grain bullet in the .340 Weatherby which is less than the .338 data!

Maybe its because of those older/weaker MK5's out there? :lol:

Their data does seem to be really mild for a 340. Really no difference from that and 338WM loads by them? Odd..

 

[Oldtrader3]

That's it! That darned weak actioned Mark V's from Weatherby that can't even meet SAAMI specs and has to be loaded to .338 Federal velocity levels! Shame on Weatherby!

 

[300WSM]

Just my two cents on this... it comes down to a few things and maybe more.


The market needing a bullet like that (meaning the benchrest type crowd is next to nothing) when compared to the hunting crowd.

If you were opening a gun shop today and having a good reloading section, would you stock and carry Berger bullets? If you said yes then you would be losinig money shortly.
Berger is a houshold name among bench shooters but when was the last time you heard any hunter say I am gonna load up some berger bullets for the next hunt.
This isn't to say Berger bullets won't work, but it is marketing and perception...oh and probably the most important being dollars and cents.
Having said that why would Nosler want to venture into an area that is very wrapped up with Berger? Again this doesn't mean Nosler couldn't make one...but would it really do well in sales?

If Nosler is taking the approach of let them do the benchrest shooters and we will continue to specialize in the hunting bullet....then I certainly applaud Nosler for such a move. We actually could use more companies being satisfied and not having to get every finger and toe into all different types of markets.

 

[Oldtrader3]

It is good when companies are aware of the marketing niche that they fill and don't have some egomaniac running Marketing trying to be all thing to all people at once. That is a recipe for losing focus and losing money. Nosler has been very consistent through the years in recognizing their customer base and giving them what they need for well made, effective and accurate hunting bullets and not being all things to all people. Emulating Berger would not sell any more bullets to me anyhow.

 

[FOTIS]

Ask and ye (might) receive! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


They do listen

 

[jmad_81]

Well I guess I would like to see a few LR offerings as well. I really like what they did with the 300 AB for the big .338 shooters.

IMO, I don't think that a LR bullet needs to be bonded. Most of the time bullet impact is going to be far enough from the muzzle that a non bonded bullet will work bettet. Most inportantly, LR bullets have to be very accurate. The Nosler Ballistic tip comes to my mind. The BT is a very accurate bullet, why not just make them a bit hevier, and more arrow dynamic. Think A-Max with a thicker jacket. I'm not sold on the "Berger" theory just yet.

I also realize that this area would be new to Nosler and like any new thing, it is going to cost them some money to do R&D, and get it off the ground. Making a new line of bullets can't be cheap, and I hope for quality sake it doesn't happen overnight. I wonder how a LR bullet line would stack up against some of Noslers other bullet lines in terms of sales? With the AB, and PT being untouchable, I would almost guess that a good LR line would out sell the ET? Maybe, IDK.

I would think a 7mm 160gr-175gr, and a .308" 200gr would be a great place to start (they already have the .338 300gr, so no need to list it) if they were going to break into the LR game a bit more. Until then Keep up the GREAT work with everyhting else you (Nosler) are doing!

 

[338winmag]

"IMO, I don't think that a LR bullet needs to be bonded. Most of the time bullet impact is going to be far enough from the muzzle that a non bonded bullet will work bettet."

The only problem with that is what does happen.
You have the best of long distance equipment; you've practiced long distance all summer long; you have that long distance bullet perfected. You are on the hunt. You are all setup and... and....

Your Elk or Muley stands 50 yards away from you. :roll:

 

[C.Smith]

I would not mind having one bonded just in case for those close animals. You never know.

Corey

 

[DrMike]

Bonded bullets expand similar to cup and core bullets; they don't lose as much mass because the core is bonded to the jacket. What is lost is mass from the middle of the bullet.

 

[bullet]

For hunting AccuBond over Berger any day of the week on any game at any distance that my cartridge can produce the energy and moment to be effective on game taken.

 

[jmad_81]

"IMO, I don't think that a LR bullet needs to be bonded. Most of the time bullet impact is going to be far enough from the muzzle that a non bonded bullet will work bettet."

The only problem with that is what does happen.
You have the best of long distance equipment; you've practiced long distance all summer long; you have that long distance bullet perfected. You are on the hunt. You are all setup and... and....

Your Elk or Muley stands 50 yards away from you. :roll:

With a 300 yard zero, I don't worry about a thing and poke his lungs out the other side of him. :wink:

Don't get me wrong, I'll take a 50 yard shot over a 500 yard shot anyday! But I want to be able to take that 500-700 yard shot if it is the trophy of a lifetime, and there is no way to get closer. I'm not talking about making 1,200 yard shots.

 

[jmad_81]

For hunting AccuBond over Berger any day of the week on any game at any distance that my cartridge can produce the energy and moment to be effective on game taken.

Couldn't agree with you more! A higher BC bullet just extends your effective range a bit. I'n the grand skeem of things right now, the AB is the highest BC hunting bullet out there in most cases. But there is always room for just a little bit more. Kind of like comparing a 30-06 to a 300 WM. Both work, its just a matter of how fast and hard.

 

[caribouhunter]

wonder what a 30 cal 215-220 grain B/T would look like.
i would most certainly launch a few out of the RUM... just to see :twisted: