Mountain Goat
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RiverRider":35do0stf said:
Why did it take 4 pages to come to this conclusion? The original thread had a tackle box full of ford fenders and doc sheltons. Let's not forget the wedding ring... :?
why magnums?
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Why did it take 4 pages to come to this conclusion? The original thread had a tackle box full of ford fenders and doc sheltons. Let's not forget the wedding ring... :?
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Most people have a tendency of giving others the benefit of the doubt..................
Well, here I may be of use as a "lighter side".....I sense such is needed here but is only IMHO>LOL!
I love em all!
They all go BANG..!
and send bullets out whackin' whatever I'm after at the time!
What's not to love?
ON THE SUBJECT though (lighter side of it).....I chose a maggie because I wanted a 35 cal round with enough case capacity (aka "fat enough") to give me 358 Win case capacity.....or a pinch more, AFTER committing an abortion and shortened it to fit Indiana's *** WILD AND CRAZY *** rifle cartridge regs to hunt deer...uh.......during season that is. Depredation tags NOT during season I could use a 338 Lapua if I wanted.....uh..hmmm. ???
Anywho........I took a 350 Rem Mag and shortened it to 1.795" (max brass length allowed is 1.8" ), having the barrel set back and rechambered with a pt&g custom reamer for that.......oh yeah. Also part of the reason I went with the 350 Rem mag is 'cause I wanted a M700 Remington rifle in "my" wildcat.
We cut off the Redding trim die and FL die, working on the neck die and finishing up the chambering this week (hopefully) or maybe a few days more but wont be much longer.
FL resized, new brass gives me 58.7 grains of H20........I should push 60 grains Id think on fired, neck sized brass. Making brass is a breeze.
Anyway......here is my reason for picking a Magnum.
Hence my moniker here.
The 350 JR.......uh Magnum? LOL!!! (NO LAUGHING ALLOWED *grin*). Im "state regulation handicapped".
Never let it be said that I ever claimed to be "NORMAL".....!! Those using the WSM and WSSM brass have more capacity.......but for my use, I couldnt see the "need" for more and this was LOOOOOOOOOOOOOTS less expensive!
50 some years ago my Dad accused me of "being different".... I always thought that was a compliment!
I love em all!
They all go BANG..!
and send bullets out whackin' whatever I'm after at the time!
What's not to love?
ON THE SUBJECT though (lighter side of it).....I chose a maggie because I wanted a 35 cal round with enough case capacity (aka "fat enough") to give me 358 Win case capacity.....or a pinch more, AFTER committing an abortion and shortened it to fit Indiana's *** WILD AND CRAZY *** rifle cartridge regs to hunt deer...uh.......during season that is. Depredation tags NOT during season I could use a 338 Lapua if I wanted.....uh..hmmm. ???
Anywho........I took a 350 Rem Mag and shortened it to 1.795" (max brass length allowed is 1.8" ), having the barrel set back and rechambered with a pt&g custom reamer for that.......oh yeah. Also part of the reason I went with the 350 Rem mag is 'cause I wanted a M700 Remington rifle in "my" wildcat.
We cut off the Redding trim die and FL die, working on the neck die and finishing up the chambering this week (hopefully) or maybe a few days more but wont be much longer.
FL resized, new brass gives me 58.7 grains of H20........I should push 60 grains Id think on fired, neck sized brass. Making brass is a breeze.
Anyway......here is my reason for picking a Magnum.
Hence my moniker here.
The 350 JR.......uh Magnum? LOL!!! (NO LAUGHING ALLOWED *grin*). Im "state regulation handicapped".
Never let it be said that I ever claimed to be "NORMAL".....!! Those using the WSM and WSSM brass have more capacity.......but for my use, I couldnt see the "need" for more and this was LOOOOOOOOOOOOOTS less expensive!
50 some years ago my Dad accused me of "being different".... I always thought that was a compliment!
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DrMike
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350JR,
That is, indeed, a fascinating response to an arcane law. 444 Mad Max? Fotis, that is just great!
That is, indeed, a fascinating response to an arcane law. 444 Mad Max? Fotis, that is just great!
The "rifle bug" hath bit here in Indiana, for sure!
I hadn't seen that one yet, Fotis. Thank you. There are several wildcats jumping out of the woodwork.
2012 is our 5th year of legally hunting whitetail with a CF rifle.
A great many of those I personally know started with , and some stuck with, a rifle in a 44 mag, quickly discovering that such didnt give them much, if any, range advantage over a well tuned slug gun and when the IN DNR increased the max brass length from 1.625 to 1.8 for 2012, the gloves came off for many.
While it legalizes the .460 Smith and Wesson, .450 Bushmaster and .458 SOCOM, the wildcatters, whom already had created rounds bassed on the WSSM brass necked to .358, grabbed at this golden ring of opportunity with a ferver.
It seems the slightly shortened, shoulder set back on the 358 Win, with others simply trimming the required length off of the same round are the most often discussed. The 358 Hoosier is the former of the two.
Hardly a wildcat expert, I've seen the posts, checked the data and just have a hard time swallowing the reported velocities some claim to be getting. Might very well be but, if so, they are doing so at pressures above what I would ever want a steady diet of.
I kept the 350 RM neck length on the 350JR. Simply my choice. I easily could have shortened it a bit and set the shoulder back less for more capacity, but as said, with the 358 Win successfully taking pretty big critters for some time now, matching it's capacity was the target from the start, just in an IN legal round.
Shortening the 358 Win and pushing the envelope on pressures combined just wasnt where I wanted to go but more power to those doing so with satisfactory results. Besides, a 358 Win in a Remington 700 would have been a tough find since the Big Green never chambered that round in one, to my knowledge.
I've taken deer here with the 35 Rem in a contender and in an Xp-100 both, along with a few other big bore handguns. Handled correctly all of them whack em and stack em in experienced hands. I just wanted a "little more" in a long gun.
I do have to say that never in my wildest dreams a few years back had I ever DREAMED that one day I'd be hunting whitetail in my home state with a model 700!!
Im just a LITTLE bit psyched!!
It's a tough call to say what will come over the ballistic horizon in days to come. Without mentioning the wildcats, there are some already out there claiming to surpass the 35 Whelen velocities with stats on "400 yard shots".
Pfffffffffft. If I wanted to shoot over about 225 yards in my area, I'd have to get up and run the other way before shooting!! I probably see fewer than a dozen deer over 150 yards each year. I think Ill be fine.
God Bless
Steve
I hadn't seen that one yet, Fotis. Thank you. There are several wildcats jumping out of the woodwork.
2012 is our 5th year of legally hunting whitetail with a CF rifle.
A great many of those I personally know started with , and some stuck with, a rifle in a 44 mag, quickly discovering that such didnt give them much, if any, range advantage over a well tuned slug gun and when the IN DNR increased the max brass length from 1.625 to 1.8 for 2012, the gloves came off for many.
While it legalizes the .460 Smith and Wesson, .450 Bushmaster and .458 SOCOM, the wildcatters, whom already had created rounds bassed on the WSSM brass necked to .358, grabbed at this golden ring of opportunity with a ferver.
It seems the slightly shortened, shoulder set back on the 358 Win, with others simply trimming the required length off of the same round are the most often discussed. The 358 Hoosier is the former of the two.
Hardly a wildcat expert, I've seen the posts, checked the data and just have a hard time swallowing the reported velocities some claim to be getting. Might very well be but, if so, they are doing so at pressures above what I would ever want a steady diet of.
I kept the 350 RM neck length on the 350JR. Simply my choice. I easily could have shortened it a bit and set the shoulder back less for more capacity, but as said, with the 358 Win successfully taking pretty big critters for some time now, matching it's capacity was the target from the start, just in an IN legal round.
Shortening the 358 Win and pushing the envelope on pressures combined just wasnt where I wanted to go but more power to those doing so with satisfactory results. Besides, a 358 Win in a Remington 700 would have been a tough find since the Big Green never chambered that round in one, to my knowledge.
I've taken deer here with the 35 Rem in a contender and in an Xp-100 both, along with a few other big bore handguns. Handled correctly all of them whack em and stack em in experienced hands. I just wanted a "little more" in a long gun.
I do have to say that never in my wildest dreams a few years back had I ever DREAMED that one day I'd be hunting whitetail in my home state with a model 700!!
Im just a LITTLE bit psyched!!
It's a tough call to say what will come over the ballistic horizon in days to come. Without mentioning the wildcats, there are some already out there claiming to surpass the 35 Whelen velocities with stats on "400 yard shots".
Pfffffffffft. If I wanted to shoot over about 225 yards in my area, I'd have to get up and run the other way before shooting!! I probably see fewer than a dozen deer over 150 yards each year. I think Ill be fine.
God Bless
Steve
OU812
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Mountain Goat":1p035esf said:
It didn't, well for me any ways. I was just having some fun myself, he's entertaining.
Mountain Goat
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OU812,
this thread was actually quite informative and fun. The quality responses just reassures the quality of participants we have here on the Nosler forum.
this thread was actually quite informative and fun. The quality responses just reassures the quality of participants we have here on the Nosler forum.
OU812
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Mountain Goat":2fwlyz4e said:
That is true it is fun, even when dealing with an obvious troll. Lots of great thoughts are coming to lite and there is no right or wrong answer, it's a personal choice.
Horsethief
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Make an accurate shot with an appropirate, heavy-for-caliber bullet (or nearly the heaviest) at the fastest speed with a recoil effect you can manage = why I like a magnum chambering, like the 300 Wby Mag over the 30-06 Springfield.
The appropirate bullet for a long-range shot means a spire point, not a round nose or flat nose. It also means a bullet designed for big game, not paper target shooting, ie a Nosler Partition for elk and not a target competition bullet. The spire point bullet at a high velocity and with a high BC is going to buck the wind better than a lighter-for-caliber bullet that has a lower BC. A 180 grain bullet from a max load of a 30-06 is going to drift a bit more than the same bullet at a max load of a 300 Wby Mag. (Of course, if you shoot 3 grains less than a max load because accuracy is better there than at max load then you know what you're doing.) All of these factors effect the speed does its work with, where "knock down power" really means impact force and bullet expansion to make a quick kill.
If you choose to shoot a standard, non-magnum rifle then you're likely aware of how you have to compensate for long shots vs shorter ones. I like the flatter trajectory my 300 Wby Mag gives me since I live in the Land of the Long Shots where a .243 Win is still a fine chambering, but not for long shots here.
Last, but not least, go back and read Dubyum's comments. They're very good.
The appropirate bullet for a long-range shot means a spire point, not a round nose or flat nose. It also means a bullet designed for big game, not paper target shooting, ie a Nosler Partition for elk and not a target competition bullet. The spire point bullet at a high velocity and with a high BC is going to buck the wind better than a lighter-for-caliber bullet that has a lower BC. A 180 grain bullet from a max load of a 30-06 is going to drift a bit more than the same bullet at a max load of a 300 Wby Mag. (Of course, if you shoot 3 grains less than a max load because accuracy is better there than at max load then you know what you're doing.) All of these factors effect the speed does its work with, where "knock down power" really means impact force and bullet expansion to make a quick kill.
If you choose to shoot a standard, non-magnum rifle then you're likely aware of how you have to compensate for long shots vs shorter ones. I like the flatter trajectory my 300 Wby Mag gives me since I live in the Land of the Long Shots where a .243 Win is still a fine chambering, but not for long shots here.
Last, but not least, go back and read Dubyum's comments. They're very good.
Personally I prefer the standard cartridges because there is a certain level of recoil beyond which, I don't enjoy shooting as much. that being said, magnums do offer some advantages at long ranges. They can also have some disadvantages at shorter ranges, such as more meat damage, and an increased importance of bullet selection. At longer ranges bullet velocity is higher as many of you have already said. One reason this is important is it promotes proper bullet expansion. If you choose a stout bullet to handle the velocity for close in shots, you may need that velocity to make the bullet expand at longer ranges. Many of you have talked about the ability to shoot heavier, higher bc bullets at higher velocities. The advantages here are many under field conditions. Higher retained velocity, less wind drift, reduced drop. These advantages help reduce the impact of errors in range estimation, wind velocity and direction, shooting up or downhill, etc.
RiverRider
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AzDak42":3a4q7g3d said:
I think I'd have to respond in the affirmative.
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I got a better one
RiverRider
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So...if that snake just keeps on going, will he eventually just disappear? :mrgreen:
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Not sure but he will be hurting sooner or later no?
Wow is right. Tell ya one thing. I,ll never trade my .270 for a magnum. AND, I will never trade my 300 winnie for a standard cal. Ha Ha, its fun to talk which is best. I have been known to carry an 06 loaded with 200 gr. PT,s. It,s more fun to have one of each so you have all the bases covered.
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Let us move on gents
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