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 Post subject: .338 Win Mag Cow Elk Bullet
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 6:16 am 

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I've shot a few head of game with the 338 Caliber (WM & 340W) all but one were monos. I like elk meat so don't want a lot of bloodshot. I will be shooting at 300yds or less, but probably have to pick one out of a herd w/o hitting another one ( I know not to have anything "behind her", ha) I can go light and fast ( 160/180/200/210) or heavy and slow (250 PT/AB). Monos to PT/AB. I only have one medium weight, the 225 TTSX What have you elk/moose hunters used in any 338cal that was a good killer yet didn't ruin a lot of meat?


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 Post subject: Re: .338 Win Mag Cow Elk Bullet
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 12:04 pm 

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You'll get less bloodshot meat from a slower bullet. So I wouldn't recommend the light and fast route.
A friend has used the Speer 200 gr SP bullet a moderate velocities with good luck and performance on game and minimal meat damage. Also a very shootable load and easy on the shoulder.
Their 220 gr Fp would be a good choice, as well as the Hdy RN bullets. You could also try the 215gr SGK at a modest velocity.
The PT/AB would also be fine at slower velocities.


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 Post subject: Re: .338 Win Mag Cow Elk Bullet
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 2:18 pm 
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Jim;
load it like you did the 35/AI because you will be developing the same velocities with the same bullets. Just like the 35/AI the 338 Win is a penetrater so don't expect to keep a bullet inside an Elk unless you hit the shoulder with a cup and core bullet and then expect meat loss.
Work up a load for a 210gr PT and hold on the shoulder and make sure there isn't another one behind her.
If your going to shoot into a herd you should expect to hit more then one.


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 Post subject: Re: .338 Win Mag Cow Elk Bullet
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 3:33 pm 

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I meant I'd "have to pick one out with nothing behind her" kind of shot, requiring accuracy above speed. ha I watched a herd of milling Black Wildebeast for over 30 minutes in SA before I caught my bull alone. They are bat crap crazy too, jump, swirl, buck and run all the time! Thanks guys!


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 Post subject: Re: .338 Win Mag Cow Elk Bullet
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 4:11 pm 

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225gr Swift A-Frame in front of 71grs or IMR4350 and a Mag primer. Preferred primer would be a Fed 215. Has worked great for me in Africa and on deer here in the USA. That is what I will be using for my elk hunt in Utah in Oct.

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 5:13 pm 

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I’ve been very happy with the 250 gr Accubond. I’ve probably killed 10 or so elk with that bullet, don’t recall ever thinking about blood shot meat. Shots have ranged from 30 to 481 yards. I always try to pick up at least one shoulder, aim through to the far shoulder.


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 5:23 pm 

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Elk are big and don’t seem to get bloodied up horribly bad from 338’s or even fast 7’s or 30’s. Just a much heavier animal. The 338 Win with ANYTHING decently built will and does work great. 210 Swift’s, Noslers, Barnes and about anything else they make work excellent Jim. I’d use whichever shoots best and like Don said, aim for the far leg on away and near leg towards. They might wobble a minute but they aren’t going anywhere.

So far my favorite is the 210 Scirrocos in my 338... accurate as heck and opens like a demon.

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:34 pm 

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I’ve killed elk, moose, Sitka black tail, and coastal brown bear with factory .338 Win Mag 250gr Remington Core-Lokt. The bear took 2.


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:43 pm 
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I shot a bull elk with a 210 gr PT at 3200 fps from a 338 RUM at 350 yards through both shoulders and DRT with a golf ball sized exit. Shot a bull moose with a 250 gr PT at 3000 fps from y 338 RUM at 60 yards, bully went the off side shoulder blade and was under the hide. In both cases, meat loss was minimal.
The 250 gr PT is an impressive killer, even. WT deer.

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:54 pm 

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What is your load salmon and how fast do you push it? My rifle has a typically Remington long throat. I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up liking the longer bullets.


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:57 pm 

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I know many swear by the 210PT (Bob Hagel for sure did) but one guy reported it ruining an entire shoulder. It could have been a fluke, who knows? I'm not too worried about it as "any elk on the ground" is a good one, bloodshot or not! ha Thanks guys.


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:37 pm 

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Mine is a 338 Jarrett, so it’s on par with the RUM. I’m running 2950 with the 250 Accubond or Partitions.


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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 6:18 am 

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Only thing I've killed with a 338 RUM was a big Aoudad. I used the 180 NAB and at 250yds it acted like a Partition. Both me and the Aoudad were impressed! Thanks Pard.


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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 7:45 am 

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I love the 338 WM as an Elk rifle. I have shot several elk with several different bullets. the Barnes 185 XLC (?, the blue coated ones), the 225 AB, the 225 Ttsx and tsx. I have also ran the 225 Ab out of a 338 Edge, and the 250 VLD and 265 ABLR out of the 338 Rum.

Out of all those bullets, I really like the 265 ABLR. I felt like it was the perfect blend of "shock and awe" and controlled expansion. I really liked the 225 AB but I had it in my head that if I wasn't getting complete pass through on cows under 300 yards, I needed a different bullet (my not as intelligent younger years). But, they certainly were effective. The 225 Barnes were my answer to the perceived penetration issue. They worked well, but I got tired of cleaning my rifle (it fouls horrible with any bullet, but the barnes was worse). The XLC was just because I could get stupid speeds and have a cool blue bullet. I shot by first bull with them and they worked pretty dang well.

I guess that's the big thing I love about the .338 diameter bullets....They are almost all great elk bullets. It has also been my experience that the larger slower bullets will cause less meat damage. I would start with some 250gr. something (the AB that was suggested would be my starting point) and see what shoots.

Best of luck to you!


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 Post subject: Re: .338 Win Mag Cow Elk Bullet
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 9:56 am 

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preacher wrote:
I know many swear by the 210PT (Bob Hagel for sure did) but one guy reported it ruining an entire shoulder. It could have been a fluke, who knows? I'm not too worried about it as "any elk on the ground" is a good one, bloodshot or not! ha Thanks guys.


I’d not sweat it a bit Jim. The 210 hasn’t ever been hard on meat that I’ve seen. It’s is HARD on elk though.

I’ll echo Jakes thoughts though. Ain’t a bad 338 Bullet really.

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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 1:12 pm 

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The 225AB has worked well for me out of my 338WM. My load isn't the fastest, but it is accurate out of my Browning A-bolt with the BOSS.

Edit: The average velocity I get is 2784 fps.

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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 7:13 pm 
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FWIW, I use the 250 gr AB as my go to bullet in the 338 RUM for crop damage deer hunting. With a MV of 3000 fps, it just plain kills deer from 50-500+ yards with a nice exit wound in the ribs. The 250 gr AB would be a great choice!

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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 6:32 am 

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Thanks JD, it IS one long beautiful bullet! I am starting out with R26 and it, hoping I'l have good accuracy at or near 2800fps. There was a time I would have already had this 338WM converted to the 338 RUM or 340W, but I've played with both before, and loved them. Now I'm dialing back a bit. As I mentioned elsewhere, I "should" have been born as a Trust Fund Baby, with all the time/ money to hunt/shoot all over the world...and my little wife go with me! ha. But, didn't happen. :)


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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 3:27 pm 

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Finally got to the range today. 50 deg, no wind and sunshine! Both these Classics ( .270W & 338WM) have pretty long throats. I can seat bullets pretty far out ( more room for powder!) so was able to get about .85" with 4rds 130 Hornady/61gr H4831 with no problem. 62 started to open up. The champs were the 150 & 160 partitions. 150NP over 59gr of N560 (210M instead of BR2) gave .62" for 3 shots. (right at 2950) and the 160NP over 60gr R26 went .55 for 3! That's also right at 2950fps or so! Man! That's the best I ever got with my 24" 7mm Rem Mag 160NP/IMR 4350 40 years ago! No hard bolt lift, etc. Both are around 64+K according to QL.

The "kicker" though (Classics are pretty light!) (not really, its Limbsaver pad was wonderful!) was the 338. The R15/200NBT and best 210PT over R17 both went into 1.24-1.40". Kinda disappointing really. But the 250NP over 74.8gr/N560 went .64" for 3 and its best was with the 250NAB over 74.6gr/R26 with 3 going into .52" average! Now I'll check it out further and see if it holds its accuracy.

I'm happy. Way Happy...tickled "pink"! :)


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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 5:47 pm 

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That’s great Jim. What did the 338 loads run for speed?

Sounds like the 270 and 338 are pretty danged good.

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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 6:30 pm 

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The 200 & 210 were right at 2800fps. The 250NAB was a solid 2800fps and the 250PT was 2750. Pretty snazzy! The Trigger Tech helped out too...one sweet trigger! I had no problem using regular Benchrest holds on the 338 either. I just had my left hand over the scope, holding it and didn't have a death grip with my thumb on the wrist either. That Classic comes straight back...sooo special! ha. The 338 MGA I used the 185 XLC with had a much shorter throat than this 1987 factory model. One reason I had to compress the load so much. I never knew the barrel maker or if they made them themselves on that MGA. I am pretty sure that either (fixed it!) of those 250s will shoot as flat as I need as far as I need. I'll probably set the NAB about 2 1/2" high at 100 and shoot it at 100yd intervals, measure the drops out to 500yds out in the desert later on. That 65gr/R15/200NBT was pretty easy shooting. Still accurate enough to use on anything from coyotes up! I don't think I am even going to mess with the 225 TTSX or the rest of them. I got my paperwork coming for my cow elk hunt out near Vernal, Utah. I plan on going anywhere from mid December to mid January. I'll still put in for Antlerless mule deer and antelope CWMU (private ranches) soon.


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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 9:03 pm 
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Sounds like you found some good loads!
Test one of the 250 gr AB in some water jugs, you will be impressed. For that matter, shoot a 250 gr PT into the jugs for a comparison. The 338 250 gr PT is an amazing killer!

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 5:53 am 

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My feeling is if you like Elk meat (as I do) you stay away from shoulder shots unless you want to lose the shoulder. I've hit a number of Elk in the classic heart shot and tried to stay away from any area with bone. They may travel just a bit further before giving it up but I find with my .338RUM that is not an issue. I use either the 225 Grain partition or the 225 Prohunter. Both bullets do an excellent job. Actually I weighed a Prohunter a while back after recovery and the retention worked out to 84 percent. Definitely not complaining about that.


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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 6:16 am 

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Yes sir, I try to stay away from a direct shoulder shot, unless I want to break them down. then I use a high shoulder. I always "start out" looking for that classic broadside rib shot, but sometimes it gets wild n wooley, ha. I hate running shots and just won't hardly take them, just because I can't say it won't ruin meat or paunch/leg or jawbone! I don't need the thing that bad. Now, if I have hit them first and they run, its "shame on him time"! My dad called it "rabbit shoot" him...hit him anywhere!


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:18 am 

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The 71.6gr R17 shot .85" for 3 with the 210PT, more than Noslers 70gr MAX but still under 62K per QL. It was mild and primers rounded. Its also seated further out so more capacity than the test round. I need to shoot it again. That was its most accurate and it was pretty pleasant to shoot. It was a few grains under TDs best load in his Ruger. I also did not clock that one. It could be around 2900 easy.


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