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mcseal2":38jglbam said:Would those of you who feel the 264 is on the light side for quartering shots feel comfortable taking them with a 7 mag and 175gr Partition? That would be my other option without starting over with a new gun.
Oldtrader3":34mdjdcb said:Shooters in Scandinavia do shoot moose with the 6.5x55 but they use premium 140 to 160 grain bullets at moderate velocity and extremely high sectional density. No bullet blowups with cheap bullets. These hunters also tend to be very careful about shot placement and have to pass a running moose shooting test before they can hunt. Moose are easier to kill and somewhat lethargic compared to bull elk as well. My dad used to shoot moose successfully with a 7mm Mauser 175 grain bullets in northern Quebec. They usually are not as difficult to put down as an elk.
My experiences are similar to yours, this year the elk was an even 300, last year 320, 428, the year before 330 and 250 back there a ways is also a 165. Last years 428 decided to move at the same time my brain said now! The result was a low hit way back. If he would have been near the timber I do not know what the end rusult would have been. As it was cow calling (my partner) stopped him and so did I with a shot up front. I personaly believe that a 175 would be better choice than a 140 and my ballistic program bears that out with 1800 ft. lbs out to 350+ and 1500 a little past 450. I am currently trying to develop a 175 grain bullet in my STW rather than a 160.mcseal
Where I hunt in wyoming I haven't yet had a close opportunity. I have had time to shoot and get steady, but the way the land lays sometimes a long shot is your best opportunity. I've seen 3 elk shot by guys I was hunting with and shot one myself there. The closest shot was 330yds and mine was the longest at 468. I used a 7 mag with 175gr corelokt factory loads. That was before I started loading for everything, I used them to break in the barrel and they shot well enough I bought 200 for practice and used them on the hunt. I found it under the hide on the far side.
I am sure that Scotty misspoke he "ment" 300 short magnum!beretzs
Yeah, I would equate a 175gr PT at around 2900 pretty danged good for elk. Your pretty much into the 300WM territory with a 180, but you are running a bullet with more SD.
Oldtrader3":2csx5fqs said:My point is: Norma was selling a innerbelted, bonded 160 grain, thick jacketed, semi spitzer, 6.5mm bullet for the Mauser that had very high sectional density and toughness back in the 1960-1980's and that bullet would probably go through a car body, let alone a moose. It is my understanding, that particular 160 gr design was the bullet of choice for most Scandanavian moose hunters. Is that clearer now.
Elkman":1i2hb9it said:I think perhaps Dr Mike could answer this question but I know there are some others with both Moose and Elk experience so please chime in. I have never killed a moose, my perception after watching others do so on tv, (a great place for information to form opinions) is that they are fairly easy to kill. Easier perhaps than elk, certainly one seems to be able to get closer to them. Is this false? I know a bad hit is a bad hit but it just seems moose just kind of lay down after a few seconds. While they are decideing to lay down an elk will cover 100 yards or more. Educate me please!!!
CatskillCrawler":2ozo16xh said:Oldtrader3":2ozo16xh said:My point is: Norma was selling a innerbelted, bonded 160 grain, thick jacketed, semi spitzer, 6.5mm bullet for the Mauser that had very high sectional density and toughness back in the 1960-1980's and that bullet would probably go through a car body, let alone a moose. It is my understanding, that particular 160 gr design was the bullet of choice for most Scandanavian moose hunters. Is that clearer now.
Yes. I'm not looking to argue. I just wasn't aware that Norma used any bonded bullets prior to the Oryx and they've been using the 6.5x55 since the beginning of the last century. I know the Alaska was just a cup and core RN that was fairly soft and the Vulcan was a lighter, flat-nosed bullet. Either way, they were effective at modest ranges.
Scotty - is there no load data for the Woodleigh or Oryx? I believe they both make heavier than 140gr bullets for .264. They do... I just checked.
As a general rule Woodleigh RN and PP bullets generate similar pressures to conventionally constructed soft nose bullets. You can use published data from other bullet and powder manufacturers. For safety, reduce by 5% and work up. Ensure that the case neck has a good grip on the bullet
Elkman":jhrag0r5 said:Let me see if I can get this right, this is pasted from the Woodleigh web site!
As a general rule Woodleigh RN and PP bullets generate similar pressures to conventionally constructed soft nose bullets. You can use published data from other bullet and powder manufacturers. For safety, reduce by 5% and work up. Ensure that the case neck has a good grip on the bullet
catskill, scotty, mike thanks for the info on the Moose.