Just for grins...where would one start to get "optimum" results ( hopefully 2400fps) results with this bullet in a 24 inch barrel, straight 338/06 (necked up Winchester brass) ??? I'm leaning toward Big Game for powder, think I can get more in a cramped space! Should make a heck of a 25-250yd elk load!
338/06 282gr Shock Hammer load anyone?
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Cartridge : .338-06 A-Square
Bullet : .338, 282, Hammer SH
Useable Case Capaci: 49.173 grain H2O = 3.193 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Ramshot Big Game
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-10.0 91 43.92 2111 2790 43822 6287 99.1 1.505
-09.0 92 44.41 2133 2848 45359 6334 99.3 1.483
-08.0 93 44.90 2154 2906 46951 6380 99.5 1.461
-07.0 94 45.38 2176 2965 48599 6422 99.6 1.440
-06.0 95 45.87 2198 3025 50310 6461 99.7 1.419
-05.0 96 46.36 2219 3085 52081 6498 99.8 1.399
-04.0 97 46.85 2241 3145 53919 6532 99.9 1.379 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 98 47.34 2262 3205 55826 6562 100.0 1.359 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 99 47.82 2284 3265 57796 6590 100.0 1.340 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 100 48.31 2305 3326 59851 6615 100.0 1.321 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 101 48.80 2326 3388 61987 6638 100.0 1.303 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 102 49.29 2347 3449 64196 6661 100.0 1.284 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 103 49.78 2368 3511 66482 6683 100.0 1.267 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 104 50.26 2389 3573 68854 6704 100.0 1.249 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 105 50.75 2409 3635 71316 6726 100.0 1.232 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 106 51.24 2430 3698 73872 6746 100.0 1.215 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 101 48.80 2368 3511 68538 6466 100.0 1.257 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 101 48.80 2273 3235 55659 6800 99.6 1.355 ! Near Maximum !
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Cartridge : .338-06 A-Square
Bullet : .338, 282, Hammer SH
Useable Case Capaci: 49.173 grain H2O = 3.193 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 63000 psi, or 434 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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ReloadSwiss RS 60 *T 108.3 51.5 3.34 2416 100.0 63000 7181 1.264 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17 107.5 51.1 3.31 2403 100.0 63000 7143 1.270 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 *T 107.5 51.1 3.31 2403 100.0 63000 7143 1.270 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 *C 110.0 53.1 3.44 2383 99.7 61150 7525 1.284 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511 109.0 52.6 3.41 2375 99.3 63000 7335 1.281 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 106.4 51.0 3.31 2366 98.9 63000 7275 1.286 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 106.4 51.0 3.31 2366 98.9 63000 7275 1.286 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 *C*T 109.0 50.5 3.27 2362 99.9 63000 7139 1.294 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon LVR 109.2 49.5 3.21 2351 99.8 63000 6972 1.289 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62 110.0 52.2 3.39 2348 99.8 58764 7185 1.318 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RL16 TZ *C *T 110.0 48.6 3.15 2329 99.9 57881 7041 1.319 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T 110.0 48.6 3.15 2329 99.9 57881 7041 1.319 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 110.0 49.9 3.23 2321 99.8 58863 6949 1.336 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 *C 110.0 51.5 3.34 2319 96.8 61730 7159 1.299 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 *C 108.7 50.3 3.26 2318 99.9 63000 6597 1.297 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 110.0 51.5 3.34 2318 98.9 57776 7226 1.328 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 104.2 47.7 3.09 2317 100.0 63000 6482 1.316 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 104.2 47.7 3.09 2317 100.0 63000 6482 1.316 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP *C 110.0 49.3 3.20 2313 99.8 58282 6959 1.330 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 110.0 49.3 3.20 2313 99.8 58223 6957 1.330 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 103.1 47.7 3.09 2312 99.8 63000 6720 1.312 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 106.5 47.7 3.09 2311 100.0 63000 6407 1.317 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 106.3 47.1 3.05 2303 100.0 63000 6423 1.316 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518 110.0 51.5 3.34 2301 98.4 56207 7237 1.342 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Long Rifle 109.5 48.6 3.15 2291 99.5 63000 6630 1.317 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 109.5 48.6 3.15 2291 99.5 63000 6630 1.317 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World SW4350 110.0 49.3 3.20 2290 98.7 60881 6836 1.331 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 110.0 49.3 3.20 2290 98.7 60881 6836 1.331 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 104.5 46.3 3.00 2288 100.0 63000 6059 1.340 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Match Rifle 98.8 46.2 2.99 2285 100.0 63000 6037 1.325 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 96.6 46.2 2.99 2285 100.0 63000 6037 1.325 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 98.8 46.2 2.99 2285 100.0 63000 6037 1.325 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7 97.1 47.2 3.06 2284 99.8 63000 6445 1.319 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT *C ~approximation 110.0 50.6 3.28 2284 98.0 58976 6915 1.333 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 107.7 47.9 3.10 2281 98.2 63000 6687 1.317 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 107.7 47.9 3.10 2281 98.2 63000 6687 1.317 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 104.3 47.9 3.11 2281 98.2 63000 6682 1.317 ! Near Maximum !In my experience with Hammers, the faster the better. Both in accuracy and expansion. They don’t work like lead core bullets. That 282gr may be a bit too much bullet in 338-06. I use the 186gr Shock Hammer in my 338 Federal. 2750 is reasonable in it and extremely accurate. Close to .338-06 in velocity. I expect it would be an awesome combination.
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Alaska
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Two bullets that performed excellent in 338-06
Reloader 17 and 225gr Hornady SP and 210gr Nosler Part in WW brass with Fed 210M and before Reloader 17 it was IMR 4320 I used .
Reloader 17 and 225gr Hornady SP and 210gr Nosler Part in WW brass with Fed 210M and before Reloader 17 it was IMR 4320 I used .
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I agree that it's a little too much bullet for the 338-06. A 210 gr PT would be about perfect.
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In my 338-06, I am getting the following results:
Wby factory ammo w/ 210 gr Partition: 2750 fps and 1/2" groups @ 100 yards
62.0 gr of H-414 w/ 215 gr SGK @ 2751 fps and 1/2" groups @ 100 yards
Have some of the Nosler 225 gr AB ammunition, but haven't tried it yet in my rifle
(custom Rem 700 LH w/ 22" King Barrel glass and pillar bedded in a Wenig Nutmeg laminated stock and Leupold VX-3 2.5-8x36 B&C scope in QR rings and bases).
Wby factory ammo w/ 210 gr Partition: 2750 fps and 1/2" groups @ 100 yards
62.0 gr of H-414 w/ 215 gr SGK @ 2751 fps and 1/2" groups @ 100 yards
Have some of the Nosler 225 gr AB ammunition, but haven't tried it yet in my rifle
(custom Rem 700 LH w/ 22" King Barrel glass and pillar bedded in a Wenig Nutmeg laminated stock and Leupold VX-3 2.5-8x36 B&C scope in QR rings and bases).
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Cartridge : .338-06 A-Square
Bullet : .338, 275, Speer SSP 2411
Useable Case Capaci: 57.229 grain H2O = 3.716 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 63000 psi, or 434 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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ReloadSwiss RS 60 *T 102.9 56.9 3.69 2514 100.0 63000 8096 1.237 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 *C 105.6 59.3 3.85 2510 100.0 63000 8520 1.238 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-26 *C 110.0 62.4 4.04 2502 100.0 56579 9087 1.287 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17 102.0 56.4 3.66 2498 100.0 63000 8049 1.244 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 *T 102.0 56.4 3.66 2498 100.0 63000 8049 1.244 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RL16 TZ *C *T 107.0 55.0 3.56 2483 100.0 63000 8003 1.244 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T 107.0 55.0 3.56 2483 100.0 63000 8003 1.244 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62 105.8 58.5 3.79 2479 100.0 63000 8136 1.261 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 109.6 57.5 3.73 2476 100.0 63000 7666 1.254 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518 107.7 58.7 3.80 2473 99.6 63000 8361 1.254 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511 103.4 58.1 3.77 2471 99.8 63000 8304 1.255 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 106.9 58.2 3.77 2470 99.7 63000 8292 1.255 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 100.9 56.3 3.65 2461 99.4 63000 8256 1.261 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 100.9 56.3 3.65 2461 99.4 63000 8256 1.261 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP *C 110.0 60.6 3.92 2458 98.6 55930 9015 1.301 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 *C*T 103.3 55.7 3.61 2452 100.0 63000 8036 1.270 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP *C 106.4 55.5 3.60 2451 100.0 63000 7908 1.265 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 106.4 55.5 3.60 2451 100.0 63000 7906 1.265 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 105.7 55.8 3.61 2449 100.0 63000 7862 1.278 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 110.0 57.7 3.74 2448 98.0 62384 8381 1.254 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon LVR 103.5 54.6 3.54 2443 100.0 63000 7877 1.264 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 *C 105.4 57.4 3.72 2438 98.0 63000 8228 1.258 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 108.8 57.4 3.72 2438 98.0 63000 8228 1.258 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 108.8 57.4 3.72 2438 98.0 63000 8228 1.258 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 *C 110.0 58.0 3.76 2433 97.9 60299 8416 1.276 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT *C ~approximation 106.3 56.9 3.69 2422 99.1 63000 7959 1.271 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 110.0 59.6 3.86 2421 95.8 57428 8693 1.292 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 109.3 60.8 3.94 2416 97.9 63000 8023 1.259 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 109.2 55.7 3.61 2415 100.0 63000 7230 1.265 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 *C 103.1 55.5 3.60 2410 100.0 63000 7456 1.271 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 110.0 58.0 3.76 2410 97.6 58886 8307 1.290 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 105.5 55.0 3.57 2407 99.4 63000 7815 1.284 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World SW4350 105.5 55.0 3.57 2407 99.4 63000 7815 1.284 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 97.8 52.7 3.41 2404 100.0 63000 7594 1.284 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 109.4 56.9 3.69 2404 97.0 63000 7961 1.266 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 110.0 55.6 3.60 2402 100.0 59847 7685 1.302 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 98.4 52.5 3.40 2401 100.0 63000 7298 1.292 ! Near Maximum !
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Well, update; 2023 has sucked big time, ha! Skipping the surgeries, health scare's, etc. : Sold the ugly Savage, bought a new Ruger All Weather, 338WM but it felt too heavy between my hands, a tad "clubby". I sold it and two nice Glocks locally and bought a like new Wby ULwt 338-06 A Square. 24" I found on Gun Broker. I had a TT Special put in, I put my new Leupold 2.5x8 on in Talley rings, empty rig weighs 6 3/4 lbs! Yeah. has a brake that is really not bad for noise, works great for recoil. (Much easier on my old Oilfield Worker shoulder!) It either came from factory with a Decelerator Pad or owner added it. So far I have the 175HH Hammers clustering with 58gr IMR 3031 at 35 deg. I also got the 200 NBT/Varget /56gr wadding them in, both in Winchester cases. I have some Nosler 210 and Barnes 210 TTSX to try out, plus some Speer 200 and 225 BT to play with. My hunting style is either up close ( 100 and under in Timber/ Aspens) or mid range cow out in the open, not over 250 usually. I have taken game out to 370 or so, but I'm not comfortable doing that. I put a limit right at 300yds on myself. Which bullet do you guys think would give the best bone breaking penetrating on elk in Timber ( bad angle shots)??
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I would look at a Hammer, or a Barnes TTSX.
Both performed admirably on cow elk last week at 285 and 350 yards respectively.
Both performed admirably on cow elk last week at 285 and 350 yards respectively.
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What a coincidence I have those 2 bullets to try out in my 338 WM.
I’ve not had much luck with the 250gr GS in it yet.
Getting my 338 WM up and running is a project next year. So far I have 25 rounds through it.
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I've used the 210 TTSX "forerunner", the Barnes 210 XBT back in '98, it was in the 340 Wby. I got an honest 3200 up here. I took a zebra, blesbuk, Impala and a big Namibian Gemsbuk, easy cheezy. The rifle itself was just too light and it blew out two scopes. In late '99, I had that same rifle rebarreled to 338WM with a bit heavier barrel, Mag Na Ported, and only shot the Barnes 185 XLC, took a nice cow right at 250yds. Love the Barnes, for sure. I've killed more deer/antelope Stateside (30 cal/7mm/6.5, 6mm) with Nosler's and Hornady's than about any other. I really like the big round nose Woodleighs, but now even Huntingtons (who I got mine from) has closed it's doors. Bummer.
I wouldn't hesitate to go with the old reliable 210 gr Partition at 2750 fps. This was Wby's spec using the s for their factory load. I have had good success with it over the years in the 338 Win Mag.
I recently read an interesting account by an African hunter/writer with years of experience with various 338 cartridges on a wide variety of game there.
His conclusion was that despite velocity, the best on game performance came from the middle weights in this caliber, regardless of the size of their game, from the tiny antelopes all the way up to Cape buffalo. While many like the SD and mass of the 250s in the 338, his experience found that they did not penetrate any further or kill any quicker than the 200-225 gr bullets, when using Partitions, A-Frames, Fail Safes, Sciroccos, Grand Slams or TSX/TTSX bullets. And the additional velocity that the middleweights gave over the heavies was significant enough to allow tricky follow up shots out to 300 yards or further on wounded game. He also commented about its favourable performance even compared to the 375 H&H and the use of it on the same game with 270 and 300 gr bullets.
This may be one man's opinion, but when it comes from a man that has shot and hunted a lot more game than I may in a few lifetimes, and his knowledge and study of ballistics leads me to believe that his credibility is to be well deserved.
I found this interesting after the years of reading about the penetration qualities of bullets with SDs of .300 or more, including 250 gr 338 bullets being used on dangerous game.
So far I have liked the 210 gr Partition in the 338 Federal, 338-06 and the 338 Win Mag.
And the 215 gr SGK in the 338-06, and the 200 gr Uni-Cor in the 338 Federal.
I am hoping that I have as much success with the 200 gr AccuBond in the 338 Federal and 225 gr AccuBond in the 338-06 as I have with that bullet in all of the other cartridges I have used it. (Both in accuracy and on-game performance)
I recently read an interesting account by an African hunter/writer with years of experience with various 338 cartridges on a wide variety of game there.
His conclusion was that despite velocity, the best on game performance came from the middle weights in this caliber, regardless of the size of their game, from the tiny antelopes all the way up to Cape buffalo. While many like the SD and mass of the 250s in the 338, his experience found that they did not penetrate any further or kill any quicker than the 200-225 gr bullets, when using Partitions, A-Frames, Fail Safes, Sciroccos, Grand Slams or TSX/TTSX bullets. And the additional velocity that the middleweights gave over the heavies was significant enough to allow tricky follow up shots out to 300 yards or further on wounded game. He also commented about its favourable performance even compared to the 375 H&H and the use of it on the same game with 270 and 300 gr bullets.
This may be one man's opinion, but when it comes from a man that has shot and hunted a lot more game than I may in a few lifetimes, and his knowledge and study of ballistics leads me to believe that his credibility is to be well deserved.
I found this interesting after the years of reading about the penetration qualities of bullets with SDs of .300 or more, including 250 gr 338 bullets being used on dangerous game.
So far I have liked the 210 gr Partition in the 338 Federal, 338-06 and the 338 Win Mag.
And the 215 gr SGK in the 338-06, and the 200 gr Uni-Cor in the 338 Federal.
I am hoping that I have as much success with the 200 gr AccuBond in the 338 Federal and 225 gr AccuBond in the 338-06 as I have with that bullet in all of the other cartridges I have used it. (Both in accuracy and on-game performance)
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FWIW, I used the 210 gr PT at 3200 fps in the 338 RUM to take a bull elk at 350 yards through both shoulders. He was DRT with a golf ball size exit wound. It's a great bullet.
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Thanks guys! I am going to try some R16 with the 210 TTSX, was thinking of Varget ( I got such great results with it and the 200NBT at 56gr) for the 210 NP. I used Winchester cases for the NBT load, but will use the Lapua with the NP. I sure enjoyed the 340Wby I took to S.A./Namibia for the longer shots ( I took most all the game at 350 to 375+) but the scope blew and I finished the hunt with my buddie's 300WM/180 XBT I had given him. I have yet to try it out to 300, but that 175 Hammer over 58/3031 is running right with a good 300 Mag load, but I get it with less powder, a lighter rifle, less blast, even with its brake. I'm starting to like this set-up! Now, that was my "goal" in having that MG Arms 5 1/2 pound (before scope/mounts/loaded) 340Wby/210XBT made up for the '98 trip. Fast, flat, hit hard (even up close) I just wasn't counting on the muzzle brake working so well ( for recoil, yes, for noise it was "God-Awful"!) and acting like the reverse forces an air piston in a pellet rifle has. It blew a Leupold 2.5x8 10 days before we left, so I put a Zeiss Conquest on it. I had to readjust it twice and recover a couple wounded animals because the zero was off. I didn't take a spare scope as there were three of us with four rifles. But...it felt good in your hands! This little Gem feels just right, and no way this '06 based round is giving me trouble! 
IF my MGA 340 had "worked out", I would still be using it! I love all the big magnums, its the heavier rifles I detest. I grew up with a Model 94, ha, I suppose a light rifle "ruint me" for a hunting rifle! ha
IF my MGA 340 had "worked out", I would still be using it! I love all the big magnums, its the heavier rifles I detest. I grew up with a Model 94, ha, I suppose a light rifle "ruint me" for a hunting rifle! ha
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The rifle hated R16 with the 210TTSX! Boo, Hiss! I have my 175HH/3031 load, and a good one with the 200 NBT and Varget , but I wanted to use this 210 TTSX as my "heavy", for now. I went with the Lapua cases, CCI 250 and Big Game. I started at 58 and went slowly up to 62. 61-62 were slightly compressed, but thats why God had LEE make their Crimp Die...I'm pretty sure??? Anyhow. my groups stayed right at 2" until 61 which gave a nice 3 shot triangle right at 3/4" but the 62 was closer to my 175 zero and it too was a nice triangle a tad under an inch. Bolt lift was easy, etc. seemed "moderate" to me and my 46yrs of Handloading. So I'm stopping there, no more bullets other than those three makes/weights for me....at least right now.....
Anyhow. my groups stayed right at 2" until 61 which gave a nice 3 shot triangle right at 3/4" but the 62 was closer to my 175 zero and it too was a nice triangle a tad under an inch. Bolt lift was easy, etc. seemed "moderate" to me and my 46yrs of Handloading. So I'm stopping there, no more bullets other than those three makes/weights for me....at least right now.....
