Quickload 30-06 168 TTSX 24" 64K Data Please?

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I am finagelling another deal on another 30-06! I just tonight found a nice, lightly used Kimber 84L . It has a camoed stock and stainless. I have plenty of other bullets, but I want to get a hot load for the 168 TTSX. My Kimber 270 is just too pretty to hunt much. (It's technically my grand-daughter's, I'm just playing with it. ) Can I get a good list of powders as I have several types that will work. It would "thrill my Soul" if I end up with a load that approaches 2900fps! :) Thanks, Rev Jim
 
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Not at home now, to run Q/L...........but try the following.

55-57 H 4350
53-55.5 Big game

I just bought (another) 30-06 this week. It is a Ruger American rifle. 55.5 gr of Big Game gave me 2810 fps and .66" at 100 yards.

The 168 TTSX is a dandy in the '06!
 
Code: 
Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 168, Barnes 'TTSX'BT 30370
Useable Case Capaci: 57.693 grain H2O = 3.746 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
ReloadSwiss RS 60 *T               102.9     57.4     3.72    2922   100.0    60000   10588   1.049  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 *T              102.0     56.9     3.69    2903   100.0    60000   10533   1.055  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                           102.0     56.9     3.69    2903   100.0    60000   10533   1.055  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 *C               105.5     59.8     3.87    2896    98.9    60000   10948   1.052  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365                       109.8     58.1     3.76    2887   100.0    60000   10060   1.062  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RL16 TZ *C *T               107.1     55.5     3.59    2883    99.6    60000   10468   1.053  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T           107.1     55.5     3.59    2883    99.6    60000   10468   1.053  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62                  106.0     59.0     3.83    2873    99.1    60000   10547   1.070  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-26 *C              110.0     62.9     4.08    2866    98.3    53802   11586   1.103  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511                103.5     58.6     3.80    2857    98.0    60000   10570   1.064  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518                107.7     59.1     3.83    2857    97.7    60000   10605   1.063  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     106.9     58.7     3.80    2856    98.0    60000   10554   1.064  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     100.9     56.8     3.68    2848    97.2    60000   10505   1.068  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       100.9     56.8     3.68    2848    97.2    60000   10505   1.068  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP *C                       106.5     56.0     3.63    2846    99.2    60000   10252   1.070  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation         106.5     56.0     3.63    2846    99.2    60000   10249   1.070  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                      105.9     56.3     3.65    2845    99.3    60000   10253   1.084  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 *C*T               103.3     56.1     3.64    2844    99.1    60000   10362   1.076  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon LVR                        103.6     55.1     3.57    2836    98.8    60000   10173   1.068  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                        110.0     58.2     3.77    2823    94.9    59620   10458   1.061  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                109.4     56.3     3.65    2817    99.9    60000    9513   1.067  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP *C                       110.0     61.0     3.96    2814    95.4    53262   11224   1.112  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 *C                       105.3     57.9     3.75    2813    94.9    60000   10281   1.064  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          108.8     57.9     3.75    2813    94.9    60000   10281   1.064  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4                        108.8     57.9     3.75    2813    94.9    60000   10281   1.064  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 *C              110.0     58.5     3.79    2803    94.7    57563   10483   1.082  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3                          98.6     53.0     3.43    2803   100.0    60000    9586   1.093  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       98.6     53.0     3.43    2803   100.0    60000    9586   1.093  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 *C                 103.1     56.0     3.63    2802    99.1    60000    9685   1.074  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT *C ~approximation    106.3     57.4     3.72    2801    96.8    60000   10065   1.075  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                      100.8     53.0     3.44    2796   100.0    60000    9507   1.093  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                        97.8     53.1     3.44    2794    98.9    60000    9816   1.086  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                       100.7     52.4     3.39    2788    99.9    60000    9493   1.089  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World SW4350              105.4     55.5     3.59    2788    97.3    60000    9937   1.087  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070                         105.4     55.5     3.59    2788    97.3    60000    9937   1.087  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             109.2     61.2     3.97    2784    94.8    60000    9979   1.066  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905                      110.0     58.1     3.76    2784    94.6    55991   10370   1.097  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           110.0     56.0     3.63    2783    99.0    56708    9948   1.106  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904                      109.3     57.3     3.71    2776    93.7    60000    9913   1.070  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Match Rifle          93.5     51.2     3.32    2775   100.0    60000    8982   1.096  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                       91.3     51.2     3.32    2775   100.0    60000    8982   1.096  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                        93.5     51.2     3.32    2775   100.0    60000    8982   1.096  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation         110.0     58.5     3.79    2775    94.3    56223   10326   1.094  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                       98.4     51.2     3.32    2774   100.0    60000    8979   1.114  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                       110.0     60.1     3.89    2774    91.5    54876   10687   1.098  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Long Rifle          104.0     54.1     3.51    2769    98.3    60000    9636   1.089  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065                         104.0     54.1     3.51    2769    98.3    60000    9636   1.089  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7                    92.2     52.6     3.41    2766    98.8    60000    9461   1.089  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385                       110.0     59.1     3.83    2763    95.7    56492   10096   1.108  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                      102.5     53.5     3.47    2758    96.5    60000    9663   1.085  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7                         102.5     53.5     3.47    2758    96.5    60000    9663   1.085  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                        99.3     53.5     3.47    2758    96.5    60000    9656   1.085  ! Near Maximum !
 
Why Thank You Rev! :) I have R17; Hunter. Any guess on what I can get with N560 and RS Magnum?
 
preacher said:
Why Thank You Rev! :) I have R17; Hunter. Any guess on what I can get with N560 and RS Magnum?
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A seriously compressed load?

Code: 
Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 168, Barnes 'TTSX'BT 30370
Useable Case Capaci: 57.693 grain H2O = 3.746 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Vihtavuori N560 *C

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0  103    56.07   2536    2399   40883   9937     85.6    1.262
-09.0  104    56.69   2570    2464   42406  10097     86.4    1.240
-08.0  105    57.32   2604    2529   43994  10254     87.2    1.219
-07.0  107    57.94   2638    2596   45646  10408     88.0    1.198
-06.0  108    58.56   2672    2664   47380  10559     88.7    1.177
-05.0  109    59.19   2707    2734   49188  10706     89.4    1.157
-04.0  110    59.81   2742    2804   51074  10850     90.1    1.137  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0  111    60.43   2777    2876   53049  10991     90.8    1.117  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  112    61.05   2812    2949   55113  11127     91.5    1.097  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  113    61.68   2847    3024   57274  11259     92.1    1.078  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  115    62.30   2882    3099   59536  11387     92.8    1.060  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.0  116    62.92   2918    3176   61908  11510     93.4    1.041  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  117    63.55   2954    3255   64392  11628     94.0    1.023  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  118    64.17   2990    3334   67003  11740     94.5    1.005  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  119    64.79   3026    3415   69743  11847     95.0    0.987  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  120    65.42   3062    3497   72625  11949     95.6    0.970  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    115    62.30   2982    3318   65956  11599     96.1    1.013  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    115    62.30   2771    2863   53587  11011     88.4    1.112  ! Near Maximum !
 
Code: 
Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 168, Barnes 'TTSX'BT 30370
Useable Case Capaci: 57.693 grain H2O = 3.746 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Ramshot Magnum

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0  102    59.04   2426    2196   37862   9227     86.9    1.311
-09.0  103    59.70   2463    2263   39474   9383     87.8    1.284
-08.0  104    60.35   2500    2332   41172   9534     88.8    1.258
-07.0  105    61.01   2538    2403   42965   9682     89.6    1.233
-06.0  106    61.66   2576    2475   44859   9824     90.5    1.208
-05.0  108    62.32   2614    2549   46863   9961     91.4    1.184
-04.0  109    62.98   2653    2625   48984  10092     92.2    1.160
-03.0  110    63.63   2692    2703   51231  10216     92.9    1.136  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  111    64.29   2731    2782   53617  10335     93.7    1.113  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  112    64.94   2771    2864   56152  10445     94.4    1.089  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  113    65.60   2811    2947   58848  10549     95.1    1.067  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  114    66.26   2851    3032   61724  10644     95.7    1.044  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  116    66.91   2892    3119   64791  10731     96.3    1.022  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  117    67.57   2933    3208   68070  10809     96.9    1.000  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  118    68.22   2974    3300   71583  10877     97.4    0.978  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  119    68.88   3016    3393   75348  10935     97.9    0.957  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    113    65.60   2917    3175   65587  10643     98.1    1.016  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    113    65.60   2689    2697   52683  10241     90.5    1.124  ! Near Maximum !
 
Thanks so much! You know I like them on the "warm end"! I don't worry about compressed loads since I was "turned on" to the LEE Factory Crimp Die, oh yeah! :) Ha Well, the info gives me data I can always use later, if need be. 58.5/N560 ( I loaded up to 60gr, but not accurate.) gets the old 150NP a tad over 3K in my 270. I like the stuff! :) I like that RS Magnum too, even though I weigh every charge (tedious, yeah, but I get good results). I'm at a point where I have more Magnum Primers than LR. I really like the CCI BR2, but I got three duds a few weeks ago, bummed me out too. I keep my stuff high & dry and cool temps, so it ain't me, it's got me spooked.
 
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preacher said:
Thanks so much! You know I like them on the "warm end"! I don't worry about compressed loads since I was "turned on" to the LEE Factory Crimp Die, oh yeah! :) Ha Well, the info gives me data I can always use later, if need be. 58.5/N560 ( I loaded up to 60gr, but not accurate.) gets the old 150NP a tad over 3K in my 270. I like the stuff! :) I like that RS Magnum too, even though I weigh every charge (tedious, yeah, but I get good results). I'm at a point where I have more Magnum Primers than LR. I really like the CCI BR2, but I got three duds a few weeks ago, bummed me out too. I keep my stuff high & dry and cool temps, so it ain't me, it's got me spooked.
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I had some duds in CCI primers 35-40 years ago and quit using them until about 12 years ago and haven't had one since. So, I think it was just a couple of bad primers. Keep using them. If a dud shows up while hunting, just work the bolt. Fast:D. Dan.
 
I hear you Uncle Dan! ha I should get my Kimber 84L tomorrow. It has a 24" barrel so looks like I have several powders that might give me 2900! I'm jazzed about that, I don't mind saying it! :)
 
Picked up the Kimber, doesn't look used at all. It's a Hunter Model, but stainless and has the camo stock. It feels very lively in my hands, but very well put together. I had bought one in .270 several years ago that was a real Lemon. Poor workmanship, etc. Scope base holes were not threaded, bolt flopped around in the action. I finally got it sorted out, but it still was sloppy, sold it ASAP. This one seems OK....so far (fingers crossed)
 
After further inspection (eyeballing) , there is zero metal fouling in the bore and zero brass on the bolt face. No powder residue anywhere. It appears brand new! Sheboygin.
 
Thanks Brother Dan! Finally got my dies in (I had given my Hornady New Dimension Dies to a friend) and the Weaver rings. I think I have a half handful of assorted Barnes TTSX (130-150) to load for Break In. It's just so hot right now to be out shooting, ha.
 
Well, sold the Kimber w/o firing a shot! Darn medical bills, darn money flow, ha! That was awhile back. Just this week I put a reasonable priced Mod 700 ADL/270 on Layaway (10 mos!) ha And today I put a really nice, 1978 Mod 700 Classic/'06 on a short Layaway! Oh yeah! Along with my quest of the 84L Classic/'06 (which I settled for one in .270) I have always, always wanted a Classic in '06! They have been either too expensive if nice or affordable "beaters". At this stage of my precious life, I like the "Pride of Ownership"! Plus Brother Guy has always kept me stirred up with his exploits using his '06! lol :)
 
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