Range Report on 11/28/08

[Richracer1]

Hey if the experts say send it back....especially if you get a new tube for free, go for it... 8)

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[ArmyCW]

Hey if the experts say send it back....especially if you get a new tube for free, go for it... 8)

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Thanks, finally I got someone to see my side of the story. I think...
I bought a Douglas premium barrel..good stuff you bet. Are there compareable barrels out there you bet!! With the money I spent my expectations are 1 MOA.. cannot change that either.. on a 1903 reciver, I checked lock time is about 6.5 milliseconds... hummm.
I also do have 50 Nosler Ballistic Tip 30165.. What load should I work up?
H4350 or IMR 4350.. Also have box of Sierra GameKing 150 Spitzer BT's
POP, could you post the data for these?

 

[JD338]

ArmyCW

I would give some BT's a try. Chances are if your rifle won't shoot a BT, it won't shoot.

JD338

Truer words have never been spoken :shock:[/quote

All of you have overlooked what I've written.
All Hornady BTSP from same package.
Hornady Boat Tail Spire Point bullets is what I've been shooting all along.
I've tried a box of 20 Remington 150 Core Locks with a flat base, groups not any better....

They haven't missed your point, what they are saying, is to try Nosler's Ballistic Tips (BT) or any other brand if you exhausted all avenues with the Hornady bullets. As mentioned have you tried different seating depths, primers? Quite possibly you set up doesn't like the Hornady bullet. Try only increasing in half grain increments, 2 grain jumps are quite a bit. Have you tried developing with a dirty barrel? Some rifles just won't shoot from a clean barrel. As for you POI differences from 150 to 165, different bullets, velocities, pressures and so on. I would consider myself extremely lucky to get two different bullets to shoot at the same POI.

The above is just my opinion.

Okay guys, I hear ya loud and clear... Here is my position. I can try Noslers..not a problem for me.. I have called Douglas Barrel Technician on several occasions, I tend to follow their advice.. They are the experts in making barrels, that's not disputable.. Within 30 seconds of me telling the tech my problem he says send the barrel/reciever back..minus the scope & stock.. I called a Sierra bullet technican..long discussion on bullets/powder, % of fill, cleaning barrels etc... Short stoy is what I'm doing is reasonable and % of fill in rifle brass case is old wife's tale.
Sierra said to clean barrel between brands of powder/ bullets...let barrel cool... etc... I did all that.. So, Who do I listen too..? The Technical experts! I think so. I don't mean to have a disput with those on the forum...not my style... But what's is your technical background in?
I'm sure you all have great experience... and I appreciate the advice for what it is... Thank you.
Kenny

Since Douglas has offered to fix or replace your barrel, I would just send it back. Save the bullets and powder and shoot them after you get your rifle back from Douglas.

JD338

 

[FOTIS]

Cartridge : .30-06 Spring.
Bullet : .308, 150, Sierra SPBT 2125
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch or 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H4350

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 77 45.60 2256 1695 24194 7124 82.7 1.575
-18.0 79 46.74 2312 1781 25716 7392 84.2 1.536
-16.0 81 47.88 2370 1870 27336 7656 85.7 1.498
-14.0 83 49.02 2427 1962 29061 7917 87.1 1.461
-12.0 85 50.16 2485 2057 30899 8172 88.5 1.424
-10.0 87 51.30 2544 2155 32857 8420 89.8 1.388
-08.0 89 52.44 2602 2256 34944 8662 91.0 1.353
-06.0 91 53.58 2661 2359 37172 8895 92.2 1.319
-04.0 93 54.72 2720 2465 39549 9118 93.3 1.281
-02.0 95 55.86 2779 2573 42091 9332 94.3 1.244
+00.0 96 57.00 2839 2684 44805 9534 95.3 1.209
+02.0 98 58.14 2898 2797 47713 9724 96.1 1.175
+04.0 100 59.28 2957 2913 50828 9901 96.9 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
+06.0 102 60.42 3017 3031 54165 10064 97.6 1.109 ! Near Maximum !
+08.0 104 61.56 3076 3152 57750 10213 98.2 1.078 ! Near Maximum !
+10.0 106 62.70 3135 3274 61596 10345 98.8 1.048 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 96 57.00 3001 2999 53898 9633 99.4 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 96 57.00 2633 2310 36790 8914 86.8 1.325

Cartridge : .30-06 Spring.
Bullet : .308, 150, Sierra SPBT 2125
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch or 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm
Powder : IMR 4350

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 80 45.60 2210 1627 24404 6669 77.1 1.584
-18.0 82 46.74 2265 1709 25925 6922 78.6 1.545
-16.0 84 47.88 2320 1793 27538 7174 80.0 1.508
-14.0 86 49.02 2376 1880 29255 7425 81.3 1.471
-12.0 88 50.16 2432 1969 31080 7673 82.7 1.435
-10.0 90 51.30 2488 2062 33021 7919 84.0 1.399
-08.0 92 52.44 2545 2157 35088 8162 85.3 1.365
-06.0 94 53.58 2601 2254 37289 8400 86.5 1.331
-04.0 96 54.72 2659 2354 39634 8633 87.7 1.294
-02.0 98 55.86 2716 2457 42130 8861 88.9 1.258
+00.0 100 57.00 2773 2562 44802 9082 90.0 1.223
+02.0 102 58.14 2831 2670 47650 9297 91.0 1.188
+04.0 104 59.28 2889 2780 50694 9504 92.0 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
+06.0 106 60.42 2947 2893 53943 9702 93.0 1.124 ! Near Maximum !
+08.0 108 61.56 3006 3009 57393 9892 93.9 1.093 ! Near Maximum !
+10.0 110 62.70 3064 3127 61076 10071 94.8 1.064 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 100 57.00 2937 2873 53360 9469 96.1 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 100 57.00 2577 2213 36871 8347 81.1 1.336

 

[FOTIS]

Cartridge : .30-06 Spring.
Bullet : .308, 165, Nosler BalTip 30165
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch or 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm
Powder : IMR 4350

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 81 43.20 2136 1671 25418 6521 79.3 1.628
-18.0 83 44.28 2189 1755 27015 6762 80.7 1.587
-16.0 85 45.36 2242 1841 28715 7001 82.0 1.547
-14.0 87 46.44 2295 1930 30523 7239 83.4 1.508
-12.0 90 47.52 2349 2022 32446 7473 84.7 1.471
-10.0 92 48.60 2403 2116 34494 7704 85.9 1.434
-08.0 94 49.68 2458 2213 36675 7931 87.1 1.398
-06.0 96 50.76 2512 2312 39001 8153 88.3 1.359
-04.0 98 51.84 2567 2414 41481 8370 89.4 1.321
-02.0 100 52.92 2622 2519 44129 8581 90.5 1.284
+00.0 102 54.00 2677 2626 46956 8785 91.6 1.248
+02.0 104 55.08 2732 2735 49975 8981 92.5 1.213 ! Near Maximum !
+04.0 106 56.16 2788 2847 53211 9169 93.5 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
+06.0 108 57.24 2843 2962 56648 9348 94.3 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
+08.0 110 58.32 2899 3079 60314 9518 95.2 1.116 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 112 59.40 2955 3199 64242 9677 95.9 1.085 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 102 54.00 2829 2932 55917 9075 97.1 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 102 54.00 2493 2276 38599 8142 83.0 1.364



Cartridge : .30-06 Spring.
Bullet : .308, 165, Nosler BalTip 30165
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch or 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H4350

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 78 43.20 2181 1743 25207 6965 85.0 1.617
-18.0 80 44.28 2236 1832 26811 7217 86.4 1.576
-16.0 82 45.36 2291 1924 28518 7464 87.8 1.536
-14.0 84 46.44 2347 2018 30337 7706 89.2 1.496
-12.0 86 47.52 2403 2115 32276 7942 90.4 1.458
-10.0 88 48.60 2458 2214 34344 8170 91.6 1.421
-08.0 90 49.68 2515 2317 36550 8391 92.8 1.384
-06.0 92 50.76 2571 2422 38907 8602 93.8 1.345
-04.0 94 51.84 2627 2529 41426 8803 94.8 1.306
-02.0 96 52.92 2684 2639 44120 8994 95.7 1.269
+00.0 98 54.00 2740 2751 47004 9173 96.5 1.232
+02.0 100 55.08 2797 2866 50096 9339 97.3 1.198 ! Near Maximum !
+04.0 102 56.16 2853 2983 53410 9491 97.9 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
+06.0 104 57.24 2910 3102 56972 9630 98.5 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
+08.0 106 58.32 2966 3223 60801 9753 99.0 1.099 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 108 59.40 3022 3346 64923 9860 99.4 1.068 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 98 54.00 2888 3055 56606 9147 99.8 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 98 54.00 2549 2380 38545 8684 88.8 1.352

 

[old #7]

Hey if the experts say send it back....especially if you get a new tube for free, go for it... 8)

+1

.
Thanks, finally I got someone to see my side of the story. I think...
I bought a Douglas premium barrel..good stuff you bet. Are there compareable barrels out there you bet!! With the money I spent my expectations are 1 MOA.. cannot change that either.. on a 1903 reciver, I checked lock time is about 6.5 milliseconds... hummm.
I also do have 50 Nosler Ballistic Tip 30165.. What load should I work up?
H4350 or IMR 4350.. Also have box of Sierra GameKing 150 Spitzer BT's
POP, could you post the data for these?

IMR 4350 is the standard for the 06 but I would give RL-19 a try also.

 

[YoteSmoker]

Max load of IMR 4064 works well in one of my '06 with 150 Interlock BTSP.