Seems that most folks that own a Whelen, that load their own ammo for them, really fall in love with them. I did. Had crappy luck with bullet performance on deer with the 200gr CL, but when I switched to TSX's and then to Speer's and now Noslers, it has been even better. Just can't think of a nice 400 yard rifle. Carries alot of authority with a big bullet and not a ton of powder. Plus, the dang CDL carries about as good as a rifle can. At least for me. Scotty