Getting The 358Win Ruger Hawkeye - It's done.

[bullet]

I will hopefully have my 358 Winchester Ruger Hawkeye in about a week and once I get it and set it up I will post pictures of the rifle and the load work. I want to focus on two bullet weights and two specific bullets but open to other suggestions on bullets to use. First I will try 225gr Sierra Game King and Partition and later the 250gr Partition. The 225gr for all around use especially on deer, hogs, black bear, elk and moose and the 250 Partition on Brown if I get the chance.

I have some loads from some of you guys and friends who are getting 2500 - 2550fps with the 225gr and good accuracy. Should be fun working with the 358Win. I always do have fun at the reloading bench and the bench at the range, then fun in the woods and field seeing how my work will pay off.

Any of you who have some favorite loads that have not yet posted any of your favorite 358Win loads using 225gr or 250gr bullets that you have found to be accurate showing good velocities and would share them with me I would appreciate it. This would really help me hold down the time and the cost of load development.

I have in the past on this forum only posted my final work and did not post the trip on the way to the final good load. So no one saw my bumpy road and pit falls in obtaining my good hunting loads that I have posted in the past and might have thought, "this guy sure is lucky". Well, I plan on posting "The Good", The Bad", and "The Ugly" with this cartridge finishing with "The Good" hopefully. Thank you, pictures coming soon.

 

[FOTIS]

Congrats

Let me know if you need loads. Been loading for the 35's for years.

 

[bullet]

Congrats

Let me know if you need loads. Been loading for the 35's for years.

Thanks POP, I sure will.

 

[Savage99]

bullet,

Good to hear that your getting a .358 Win. I got my first one in 1966 and its my favorite woods round.

I like the Rugers also. A great gun.

I have four .358's and load the Speer 180 for deer with RL 10. I used to use IMR 4198 and that works well also.

Here is my latest .358.

 

[JD338]

bullet

Congratulations on your 358 Win.
Looking forward to seeing pictures of the rifle as well a one of those famous bullet pictures of the 358 Win cartridge. :lol:

JD338

 

[JD338]

Savage99

Nice looking rifle. Give us the details........

JD338

 

[Bose]

does anyone have an encore in 358 winchester. I have been thinking about buying a 35 whelen barrel but rather have a 358 if they even make one. I know I love my 356 winchester.

 

[bullet]

bullet,

Good to hear that your getting a .358 Win. I got my first one in 1966 and its my favorite woods round.

I like the Rugers also. A great gun.

I have four .358's and load the Speer 180 for deer with RL 10. I used to use IMR 4198 and that works well also.

Here is my latest .358.

Beautiful rifle thanks for sharing the picture and your deer load. Nice rifle indeed.

 

[bullet]

bullet

Congratulations on your 358 Win.
Looking forward to seeing pictures of the rifle as well a one of those famous bullet pictures of the 358 Win cartridge. :lol:

JD338

No problem, you know one will be on the way for sure. I like taking pictures of my beauties when I dress them up.

 

[bullet]

Ruger bolt actions to me are the Jeep Wrangler of rifles. They last forever and when you scratch them up or ding them is seems to add character to the rifle. I am not go to put an expensive scope on but thought I would put the Jeep Wrangler of scopes on it because it is roughed and I really like them and get a lot for the money spent.


Burris Fullfield II 3-9x40mm

 

[Savage99]

JD338,

That .358 W. is a Mannlicher Schoenauer full stock carbine with a 20.5" barrel. As you know they have a rotary magazine.

I got it at the Autumn Gun Works in Goshen, CT. (860) 491-4867

He had two of those fabulous full stocked carbines at the time. The other was a 30-06 and its sold also. He has lots of fine guns.

 

[SJB358]

That is an awesome 358. I would be scared to make too many "memory marks" on that rifle. I have enough trouble trying to keep my Browning looking healthy. Thanks for the loads also. What have you taken with the 358? Scotty

bullet,

Good to hear that your getting a .358 Win. I got my first one in 1966 and its my favorite woods round.

I like the Rugers also. A great gun.

I have four .358's and load the Speer 180 for deer with RL 10. I used to use IMR 4198 and that works well also.

Here is my latest .358.

 

[FOTIS]

Cartridge : .358 Win.
Bullet : .358, 225, Nosler PART SP 44800
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.780 inch or 70.61 mm
Barrel Length : 20.0 inch or 508.0 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 57000 psi, or 393 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

71 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Winchester 748 104.2 48.2 3.12 2464 97.5 57000 7279 1.031 ! Near Maximum !
Nitrochemie A/S 0300 95.9 42.3 2.74 2440 100.0 57000 6555 1.043 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335 98.8 46.3 3.00 2433 98.8 57000 6965 1.041 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219 98.5 43.7 2.83 2429 99.5 57000 6770 1.039 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322 104.8 43.7 2.83 2429 99.5 57000 6770 1.039 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321 103.6 47.9 3.10 2429 96.9 57000 7155 1.048 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC 104.8 47.2 3.06 2428 96.8 57000 7098 1.044 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 10 98.4 45.1 2.93 2427 98.8 57000 6920 1.047 ! Near Maximum !
SF-033 fl 99.6 43.7 2.83 2427 100.0 57000 6229 1.053 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 508 98.3 45.2 2.93 2426 98.8 57000 6911 1.047 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator 99.7 44.3 2.87 2420 99.3 57000 6783 1.049 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan Sp 7 101.4 46.7 3.03 2419 97.6 57000 6956 1.060 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507 105.0 47.1 3.05 2416 96.5 56053 7077 1.051 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 104.2 45.0 2.92 2415 96.8 57000 6990 1.047 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 105.0 49.2 3.19 2413 95.7 52959 7340 1.068 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 102.5 47.2 3.06 2409 97.6 57000 6870 1.061 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x 102.0 41.3 2.68 2403 100.0 57000 6352 1.059 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 105.0 46.1 2.99 2403 96.6 56519 6987 1.064 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12 104.1 45.6 2.95 2400 99.4 57000 6590 1.047 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2230 100.4 46.2 3.00 2394 97.5 57000 6727 1.060 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2015 103.9 43.2 2.80 2392 100.0 57000 6320 1.063 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP1/NP ~approximation 92.7 41.2 2.67 2388 100.0 57000 6186 1.074 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 200 92.7 41.2 2.67 2388 100.0 57000 6186 1.074 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210 98.5 43.7 2.83 2375 97.5 57000 6623 1.057 ! Near Maximum !
ADI BM2 96.2 44.0 2.85 2367 97.4 57000 6557 1.058 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark 104.6 44.2 2.87 2366 97.3 57000 6562 1.059 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2200 95.5 41.6 2.70 2365 98.3 57000 6447 1.057 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4198 100.6 38.7 2.51 2359 100.0 57000 5823 1.049 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2207 96.0 38.5 2.50 2358 100.0 57000 5778 1.064 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N130 104.3 41.9 2.71 2351 100.0 57000 5972 1.063 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341 105.0 48.5 3.14 2349 93.6 52592 6805 1.079 ! Near Maximum !
Kazan Sunar 308W 99.2 41.7 2.70 2342 100.0 57000 5949 1.066 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901 105.0 42.8 2.78 2342 98.1 52147 6677 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 105.0 45.1 2.92 2332 95.2 56470 6423 1.064 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 105.0 46.5 3.01 2330 96.7 47337 6908 1.129
Norma 202 105.0 44.4 2.87 2329 97.8 49107 6739 1.115
Hodgdon H4198 96.5 38.9 2.52 2328 99.3 57000 5971 1.059 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9 105.0 46.6 3.02 2323 93.2 49593 6876 1.106
ADI AR 2206 105.0 44.6 2.89 2315 95.1 54508 6415 1.080 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N120 98.5 38.6 2.50 2315 100.0 57000 5361 1.069 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516 105.0 48.0 3.11 2307 90.0 49529 6840 1.108
Hodgdon H4227 90.8 35.7 2.31 2306 100.0 57000 5382 1.063 ! Near Maximum !

 

[bullet]

POP, you are like my hunting dog, he always shows up for breakfast!!! Thanks POP, this really will help and keep me out of trouble. :lol:

 

[SJB358]

That is great data to get me started. I have H322 in the past and it seems to be a great powder for metering purposes, plus I still have some left. I may have to give it a try. Scotty

 

[Big Squeeze]

Ruger bolt actions to me are the Jeep Wrangler of rifles. They last forever and when you scratch them up or ding them is seems to add character to the rifle. I am not go to put an expensive scope on but thought I would put the Jeep Wrangler of scopes on it because it is roughed and I really like them and get a lot for the money spent.


Burris Fullfield II 3-9x40mm

..................Bullet...........Wouldn`t a 3x9 be a little much for the 358..... A 2-7x35 Fullfield 11 a little better?

 

[bullet]

Yes, one would think a 1.5-4 or 2-7 scope would be all that is needed and is the best. I am not of that persuasion at all because the 358Win is not just a woods or brush gun. That is what the the supposed experts said in 1955 and 1960 in articles and other articles through the years, saying and describing the 358Win in these terms. They were wrong, just plain wrong. I will be one that stretches the legs of this 358 and believe that it will not only be a close up thumper but a legitimate 300yd rifle with the 225gr bullet.

Most hunting that is practical is 300yds and most really don't like to take over 200yd shots and some who try can't. I want the Ballistic plex also.

2500fps (and this is attainable without over max pressures)
+3" high at 100yds

Zero is 215yds

-9" at 300yds

Short bolt, efficient cartridge, great caliber and 22" barreled rifle. It will be more than a bush gun and will be perfect for the Mississippi woods and it is in many other places as well.

With a 225gr bullet, I will have accuracy, velocity and good down range capabilities for the cartridge. Of course this is my goal and I will try and reach it. You know how I am on accuracy, infact I demand it of the rifle and me. Of course this Ruger is not a custom and I will settle for a hunting load that is an inch even an 1 1/4" and under on a consistent bases. It is something to shoot for and have fun with and prove my thesis. Everybody needs a goal to shoot for and I believe mine is somewhere in the ball park.

PS - I have killed up close and I mean up close on more than one occasion with 3 power and more, one time on 6 power.

:grin:

 

[SJB358]

If you train yourself to shoot with both eyes open a 2x or 3x is not really a handicap at all. I am going to go with a Leupold 2x7 with the LR reticles. I would think it would help with a longer shot if needed. I agree with you Bullet, 3" high at a 100 and then about 9-10" low at three hundred is pretty easy to dope for and would make an elk a chip shot under decent circumstances. I can't wait to see how you make out with the 225gr load. It should be a fun load development. Scotty

 

[Big Squeeze]

A 2x7 is more than adequate even out to 400 yards. And I think the 2x7 Fullfield is available in the ballistic plex if I`m not mistaken?.........You`ll have a wider FOV on the low end for short ranged hunting and 7x on the high end, which is more than enough for those 300-350 yard shots and for the capabilities of the 358 Win cartridge..........But, if you prefer the 3x9, go for it!

 

[bullet]

A 2x7 is more than adequate even out to 400 yards. And I think the 2x7 Fullfield is available in the ballistic plex if I`m not mistaken?.........You`ll have a wider FOV on the low end for short ranged hunting and 7x on the high end, which is more than enough for those 300-350 yard shots and for the capabilities of the 358 Win cartridge..........But, if you prefer the 3x9, go for it!

A 2-7 is not adequate for 400yds. I have shot all my life and a 7 is not adequate on deer at 250-300yds because I need to be able to see spread width and count points on a white tail. In some places I could be ticketed and on some leases I could pay a 100 dollars or more for a mistake and some places would not invite me back not to mention possibly loosing my license.

I have 20/20 in one eye and 20/10 in the other eye and at 300 yds seeing the spread width and counting points is all but impossible under some legal light and conditions to even see with a 9 power. Anyone who hunts a lot and has these requirements on buck knows what I am talking about. I don't always have time to throw up my binos and look through them when a buck is walking across a gas line or narrow area and if he is chasing does and I stop him for a moment with a grunt or some other means I need to have my rifle ready to fire. The 3-9x40mm is the minimum as far as I am concerned especially hunting white tail at any distance over 250 and beyond. Of course if I did not have to worry about the spread width or points on one side then I would get a lower power, or if I was only shooting game up close I would.